DUFF Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I'm not trying to start another thread about how bad the refs suck, but the refs suck bad-haha just kidding. My real question/comment is... ~ ive noticed during the past few games alot of "no calls" on holding. Eventually when the refs start calling it, our defenders are much closer to sacking the qb. Also I noticed two illegal blocks/tackles from behind on that Desean Jackson screen pass td. Is it normal to be "held" as frequently as i am seeing? are we getting "hosed" on calls from the refs? or is it a mutual "non call" on both sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huuuge Bills Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Holding calls stunt offensive production, and the league wants there to be more scoring. I'm guessing that the refs were told to let it go unless it directly prevents a guaranteed sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 i'm assuming it is a league-wide thing in order to create offensive numbers and overall excitement towards the game. the gaudy offensive stats for quarterbacks and recievers would seem to support this. the blatent holding/tackling penalties don't seem to be called but all of the hands to the face penalties seem to be called still. even the announcers are getting in on the "that shoulda been a holding call" action. another thing...how was vick not in the grasp of dareus?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Holding happens a lot, and you'll get different views about how often and if what the Bills are seeing is normal. I haven't been able to see the Cinci game yet, but I heard it was crazy. It was ridiculous today. I noticed 3 obvious holds on one play...no call. I saw a few blocks in the back very close to the plays...no call. There were shirts stretching, arms being pulled, and players being spun around and the refs didn't seem to notice. The refs were really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Holding happens a lot, and you'll get different views about how often and if what the Bills are seeing is normal. I haven't been able to see the Cinci game yet, but I heard it was crazy. It was ridiculous today. I noticed 3 obvious holds on one play...no call. I saw a few blocks in the back very close to the plays...no call. There were shirts stretching, arms being pulled, and players being spun around and the refs didn't seem to notice. The refs were really bad. If you thought today was ridiculous, dont watch the Cinci game. Your head will explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Holding happens a lot, and you'll get different views about how often and if what the Bills are seeing is normal. I haven't been able to see the Cinci game yet, but I heard it was crazy. It was ridiculous today. I noticed 3 obvious holds on one play...no call. I saw a few blocks in the back very close to the plays...no call. There were shirts stretching, arms being pulled, and players being spun around and the refs didn't seem to notice. The refs were really bad. What I noticed on the Iggles FG drive was an Iggles lineman had a full grip on a Bill's jersey... stretching and all, but not penalty even though it was a big play. But the very next 2 plays had holding calls. Almost as if the officials realized it was getting out of hand (so to speak). Then, just to be sure, they called a hold on the Bills' first play of the subsequent series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Holding calls stunt offensive production, and the league wants there to be more scoring. I'm guessing that the refs were told to let it go unless it directly prevents a guaranteed sack. And I believe more parity too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Holding calls stunt offensive production, and the league wants there to be more scoring. I'm guessing that the refs were told to let it go unless it directly prevents a guaranteed sack. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 At the end of the Broncos/Chargers game the Broncos WR got plowed right out of the end zone. It was such blatant pass interference, but no call. Evidently bad officiating is league wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUFF Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Thanks TBD-ers for the feedback: glad to know i'm not losing my mind...and i also never thought of it as the league trying to increase scoring. hmmmm.... i guess that explains why ive been seeing qbs putting up #'s like 420 yds passing in a game. (last year 300yds passing a game was a landmark!) Arena football is high-scoring....and we know how successful that is. hope they don't F--- this up. "if it's not broke, don't fix it" I'm biased for sure, but i haven't noticed our o-line holding on the regular...are they???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 If you thought today was ridiculous, dont watch the Cinci game. Your head will explode. Yeah. My blood was boiling after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I was at the game. Can anyone tell me why the onside kick to open the 2nd half needed to be done over? Did they explain it on tv? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 The holding was the worst I have ever seen in a game ever today. It was blatant. As the prev poster says on the big play that the Eagles had in the 4th quarter on the FG drive. One of the Bills was held up around the collar from behind, right in front of the ref. It was riculously obvious, and no call!. I saw at least 3 other blatant Eagles holds not called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I was at the game. Can anyone tell me why the onside kick to open the 2nd half needed to be done over? Did they explain it on tv? The ball was never set to play. The ref in the end zone with the return guys who put their hand up signaling the go-ahead never did. The Eagles just got all horny pony and went early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huuuge Bills Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I was at the game. Can anyone tell me why the onside kick to open the 2nd half needed to be done over? Did they explain it on tv? Ref never blew the whistle to start play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Ref never blew the whistle to start play. I always thought running a play before the whistle was a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I think they said they hadn't blown the whistle to start the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Oh ok. Thx fellas. Going to MetLife next Sunday to see the game. Gotta think we pick off Eli a few times. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I always thought running a play before the whistle was a penalty. You'd think delay of game but without the whistle it's technically still halftime I suppose. Can you pick up a procedure penalty between quarters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyMan Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Holding calls stunt offensive production, and the league wants there to be more scoring. I'm guessing that the refs were told to let it go unless it directly prevents a guaranteed sack. How could you say "unles it directly prevents a guaranteed sack" when your playing a QB in the likes of Vick. If our guys weren't getting held you never know what would have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUFF Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 I was at the game. Can anyone tell me why the onside kick to open the 2nd half needed to be done over? Did they explain it on tv? Yes because they kicked the ball before the ref blew the whistle signaling that the ball was in play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huuuge Bills Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 How could you say "unles it directly prevents a guaranteed sack" when your playing a QB in the likes of Vick. If our guys weren't getting held you never know what would have happened. I mean a defender running free towards the QB being grabbed from behind. Or something similar. Being five yards away and having your jersey tugged isn't going to result in a penalty this year apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 What I noticed on the Iggles FG drive was an Iggles lineman had a full grip on a Bill's jersey... stretching and all, but not penalty even though it was a big play. But the very next 2 plays had holding calls. Almost as if the officials realized it was getting out of hand (so to speak). Then, just to be sure, they called a hold on the Bills' first play of the subsequent series. I think that is a very accurate observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUFF Posted October 10, 2011 Author Share Posted October 10, 2011 Anyone else notice that our defenders (byrd? and someone else?-Wilson? ) mysteriously fell over (almost as if they were tackled or pushed from behind)when De'sean Jackson scored that TD on a screen pass. High scoring games are cool, but don't cheat refs!!!!!!!!! Why arent the coaches more vocal with the refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 The part I have a hard time with is I've seen about a dozen plays this year (namely the Oakland hail marry) where holding on Merriman was much more blatant than the one they finally called today. It just seems so random and arbitrary that you have to wonder what they are looking at. And the spot on 1st drive - OMG - did anyone in the world even need replay for that? It was so obvious watching it live that he was a yard short. The second running off at the end of the half is really very standard. That's never reviewed on replay unless you're Texas. Shame on Vick for being so casual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janicks Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'm biased for sure, but i haven't noticed our o-line holding on the regular...are they???? I definitely noticed our o-line got away with a few no-calls on clear holding, but it sure felt like our d-line was getting molested every single play. But then again its hard to be objective when your rooting for one team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 pretty sure that the refs in the Sunday night game are just making stuff up as they go. Just called an unsportmanlike conduct on GB for "having guys come on the field"....after a change of possession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 how did the official on the field rule that Douglas "completed the catch" on that play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 The second running off at the end of the half is really very standard. You know if it was New England* they would have put the time back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Stench Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 To hell with the holding non-calls, that's been an issue forever. What I couldn't believe was how poorly the on-field calls were that ended up being reversed. In the first quarter the placement of the ball on an Eagles completion was a joke. I know ball placement is never an exact science, but the line judge couldn't have had a better view of the play and he was way off. Even worse was the Vick fumble call in the second half. The replay showed a camera angled that was directly over the field official's shoulder. Vick had all but one limb on the ground when the ball squeaked out. Everybody in the stadium probably knew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I'm not trying to start another thread about how bad the refs suck, but the refs suck bad-haha just kidding. My real question/comment is... ~ ive noticed during the past few games alot of "no calls" on holding. Eventually when the refs start calling it, our defenders are much closer to sacking the qb. Also I noticed two illegal blocks/tackles from behind on that Desean Jackson screen pass td. Is it normal to be "held" as frequently as i am seeing? are we getting "hosed" on calls from the refs? or is it a mutual "non call" on both sides? The officials have been horrible this year...and not just in the Bills games. I've noticed blatant holds that are going uncalled in a lot of games. And while I understand that you can probably make an argument for holding on almost any play, when a player is in a choke hold (like Merriman was at the end of the Oakland game) and the ref is standing there it has to be flagged. It's ridiculous and beyond aggravating that these calls aren't being made...league wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I was at the game. Can anyone tell me why the onside kick to open the 2nd half needed to be done over? Did they explain it on tv? Ball or play was not whistled to be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 If you believe Bruce Smith, he was held every single play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I seriously have never seen a more poorly officiated game in all my life. And this isn't Bills bias talking. For example: 1) The Vick "fumble" call, which was overruled on replay. Vick had both knees, an elbow, and then his entire body down before the ball came loose. 2) The Vick throw at the end of the first half. There was arguably one second left. No review? Coleman called it a half and hightailed it out of there. Would have been ticked if I were an Eagles' fan. 3) Barnett's pick 6. Sorry, guys, we got lucky-- the Eagles WR committed an obvious false start (Bills defender even yelled and pointed). It wasn't called thankfully--and play resulted in the pick 6. 4) The Gailey challenge on the spot in the first quarter--again, an obviously bad call that had to be remedied on instant replay. 5) The staggering amount of holding and block in the back calls on both teams that weren't called. A lot of the Eagles WR screens were a result of holds and illegal blocks. Merriman was probably held every single play out there. Then suddenly it was like the refs figured out they were blowing it and called a bunch of holds near the end of the game (2 crucial ones that killed an Eagles TD)???? This was a terribly called game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walstib Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Anyone else notice that our defenders (byrd? and someone else?-Wilson? ) mysteriously fell over (almost as if they were tackled or pushed from behind)when De'sean Jackson scored that TD on a screen pass. High scoring games are cool, but don't cheat refs!!!!!!!!! Why arent the coaches more vocal with the refs. The replay of De'sean Jackson's screen pass TD is on every highlight package I've seen; and so are 2 to 4 blocks in the back by the Eagles within 2 steps of the ball carrier. He *may* have been tackled behind the line and never scored if not for the illegal blocks. Maybe not - D Jackson's pretty elusive... Hey - the Bills won and perhaps benefited from the spotty officiating as well, but it is frustrating none the less. Make the legitimate calls both ways and may the better team win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 anyone see the call on the "incompletion" to Brandon Lloyd at the end of regulation get overturned yesterday? Steratore was the ref...certainly looked like a catch, but I don't see how the replay was conclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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