Armchair GM Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 He'll return to form with *NE playing in his natural position...if this doesn't lite a fire for the Bills FO, and stress the urgency of improving our OL, we're screwed. They MUST sign Clabo and i wouldn't mind upgrading @ G with Davin Joseph...imagine that line!! Bell, Levitre, Wood, Joseph, Clabo...nasty! I'll take a flyer on Bell though...he's shown improvement, so we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coseybedaman Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Work ethic can be easily changed. Haynesworth's work ethic was never questioned until he was in a situation that he wanted no part of. I would say morally and ethically that he is stubborn and spiteful rather than having a lack of work ethic. IMO he will work his butt off to get that ring in New England. I just hope he blows out his knee in week 1 because after getting paid 100 million dollars you should be willing to do the team's laundry, let alone switch positions on a defensive line.   I suspect this will turn out like the Adalius Thomas move for the Pats. Haynesworth's issue is his lack of effort after receiving the big payday, and that's something you can't change (and AT had a much better work-ethic). Not to mention his best year came in his contract year with Tennessee. It's also possible he's declining, given he just turned 30 and will be entering his 10th season.  I know you were just brainstorming here, but Davin Joseph was actually on Tampa radio the other day saying hypothetically the teams he wouldnt play for under any contractual terms were the Bills and the Raiders LOL. This was totally hypothetically speaking, and considering every team in the NFL. Not going by needs, wants, salary cap, or anything else. So I'd say Davin in Buffalo is quite a stretch   He'll return to form with *NE playing in his natural position...if this doesn't lite a fire for the Bills FO, and stress the urgency of improving our OL, we're screwed. They MUST sign Clabo and i wouldn't mind upgrading @ G with Davin Joseph...imagine that line!! Bell, Levitre, Wood, Joseph, Clabo...nasty! I'll take a flyer on Bell though...he's shown improvement, so we'll have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I agree with Doc. This man cannot be motivated. He's not motivated by money, fame, winning, playing in a big market, or any combination of them. Â It's not an inspiring move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Haynesworth always had talent. Work ethic can be instilled by a superior motivator. Haynesworth knows he's seen his last big payday. You said Thomas was not that much of a talent--his work ethic didn't matter then. No, work ethic can't be instilled and no I didn't say Thomas was not that much of a talent. I said his age plus going to a new system would make it harder for him, but I never questioned his work ethic. Haynesworth has a bad work ethic, age (he's older and played more seasons than Thomas did when being traded to the Pats) and going to a new system. But I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Those that aren't worried, because of his play in Washington, probably felt the same way when the got Moss from oakland. "did you see him play the last couple years with the raiders? He's done!! I'm glad the pats got him, he'll ruin the team.". We all know how that worked out the first couple years. Â I expect haynesworth to turn it around. Will he be the guy we saw in ? Doubtful, but I think he'll be pretty darn good. Sure hope we get clabo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 God, unreal. You would think the rest of the NFL would fuggin quit giving players and picks to NE for god damn nothing. Â Hey, but I'm sure Thigpen will block him. Haynesworth and Wilfork is a devastating duo. Â UGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Once again, the AFC East gets stronger and stronger as each team plays off the other teams moves. A real organization would try and counter either in the draft or FA to try and keep up and then you have the Bills who drift further and fuuuuuurther away. I guess I'll just be content to have a team in Buffalo - why bother competing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) According to Pro Football Focus, Haynesworth was statistically the third best DT in the NFL the last couple of years judging from his play-by-play matchup results: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/06/making-the-grade-4-3-defensive-tackles/ . Of course, he didn't play a ton of snaps in 2010, but when he did, he apparently dominated. That's no surprise - he's a beast. Â Btw, Adalius Thomas isn't a good comparison because Thomas was never the physical talent that Haynesworth was and is. Great trade by the Pats. Hate to say it, of course ... Edited July 28, 2011 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I can see this being just like the Randy Moss situation. He leaves a team he didn't want to play for and goes to the Patriots where he suddenly he plays great. Â Yup, Id' bet money on it. They wouldn't have signed him if he wasn't able to convice BB that he was totally committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) I suspect this will turn out like the Adalius Thomas move for the Pats. Haynesworth's issue is his lack of effort after receiving the big payday, and that's something you can't change (and AT had a much better work-ethic). Not to mention his best year came in his contract year with Tennessee. It's also possible he's declining, given he just turned 30 and will be entering his 10th season. Â If for a number of reasons the Haynesworth transaction doesn't work out then the Pats will cut him. What is the risk? The Pats gave up little for him. Is there an upside with him compared to his disasterous stint with Washington? Absolutely. Â The Bills are not in a position or stage to take on this flimsy character. The Pats certainly are better positioned to handle this challenging personality. They have a stronger and more mature roster. Their coaching staff is much more stout than the Skins' staff was. If Fat Albert starts his bullhead resisting act then he will be quickly escorted out the door. Edited July 28, 2011 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 No, work ethic can't be instilled and no I didn't say Thomas was not that much of a talent. I said his age plus going to a new system would make it harder for him, but I never questioned his work ethic. Haynesworth has a bad work ethic, age (he's older and played more seasons than Thomas did when being traded to the Pats) and going to a new system. But I guess we'll see. Moss's work ethic didn't improve from Oak to NE? You are making quite a unique statement (I'm being kind). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 So there was no interest in Haynesworth anywhere else in the NFL? No one was willing to part with a 5th rounder in 2012 to sweeten the deal, or even a 4th in 2012 or 2013? Only the Pats think thats good value and are willing to pay Albert $5 mil per year? Poz's deal looks like a blockbuster compared to the Haynesworth move. Did Worshington even try to shop Albert or is there a rule where teams are required to hand New England pro bowlers for peanuts. Â This is mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Moss's work ethic didn't improve from Oak to NE? You are making quite a unique statement (I'm being kind). Â For Doc, at times, facts can be very malleable. Some people would say he is being inaccurate; he would say he is being flexible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I'm not too worried about Haynesworth. He was an oft-injured useless piece of cr@p for Washington...even when he was on the field. He's not the player he was with Tennessee that's for sure. I only hope his lousy attitude continues in NE and causes distractions. Â That's because he wasn't trying. If anyone can motivate him, it's gonna be Belichick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 We're doooomed! Â Seriously, we're losing this off-season. Perhaps Russ Brandon should go down the hall and have a chat with Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 I really hate new england. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 If for a number of reasons the Haynesworth transaction doesn't work out then the Pats will cut him. What is the risk? The Pats gave up little for him. Is there an upside with him compared to his disasterous stint with Washington? Absolutely. Â The Bills are not in a position or stage to take on this flimsy character. The Pats certainly are better positioned to handle this challenging personality. They have a stronger and more mature roster. Their coaching staff is much more stout than the Skins' staff was. If Fat Albert starts his bullhead resisting act then he will be quickly escorted out the door. Agreed. This is a siutaion of little risk for the Pats. Only a 5th round draft choice, which they probably have stockpiled anyway. Haynesworth has always had attitude issues. This did not suddenly manifest itself when he arrived in Washington. He is lazy and the epitome of a me first player. If Belichek can turn him around, he gets a guy who can contribute and cause problems for opponents, especially with another player clogging up the middle. If not, no risk. In any case, not a good fit for the Bills. By the way, in case people forgot, the Bills just spent a high number 1 pick on a player who has potentially even better skills and a much better work ethic. Not sure where people think Haynesworth would fit in our defense anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 If for a number of reasons the Haynesworth transaction doesn't work out then the Pats will cut him. What is the risk? The Pats gave up little for him. Is there an upside with him compared to his disasterous stint with Washington? Absolutely. Â The Bills are not in a position or stage to take on this flimsy character. The Pats certainly are better positioned to handle this challenging personality. They have a stronger and more mature roster. Their coaching staff is much more stout than the Skins' staff was. If Fat Albert starts his bullhead resisting act then he will be quickly escorted out the door. I'm not saying making the trade was a mistake per se, given the small amount they gave up for him. I'm saying that he's not going to have the impact some people think. Moss's work ethic didn't improve from Oak to NE? You are making quite a unique statement (I'm being kind). The aforementioned Adalius Thomas would be a better example. Or I could give you a slew of other name players the Pats have added that didnt' pan-out. For Doc, at times, facts can be very malleable. Some people would say he is being inaccurate; he would say he is being flexible. Oh, the irony JC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 But Buddy and his supporters keep telling us that you build through the draft. Are you guys seriously telling me that you think a Wilfork/Haynesworth combo for the Pats is better than Dareus/Jasper/Troup? Next you're going to tell me Tom Brady is a better QB than Tyler Thigpen - why do you guys love NE so much? Can't you see they've built their organization the wrong way and we're doing it the right way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 There's no way to wave off how effective a move this was for NE. AH in a DT spot for a frequent 4-3 alignment in a BB defense will be huge. There's no way to not see collapsing pockets and lots of roll outs, etc. You're not going to run inside on that wall. It means we're not catching NE this year or maybe next. But it's not doomsday. If Nix sees that kind of wall to play twice a year, it should light a more of a fire to get a quality RT this year. Get bigger, stronger or get gone. The AH signing is just another wake up call for our FO to step it up. For that, I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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