Pondslider Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 i dont understand the whole blocking of these sites, you still see the commercials, which is all that matters to the nfl Because the NFL and the Cable companies want you to pay for NFL Sunday ticket and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The shutdown lasted all of 5 minutes.link Good use of resources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_spikes Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 ICE and Homeland Security? What the hell do these sites have to do with international terrorists? This country is becoming a nickel and dime police state, only interested in safeguarding the interests of corporate entities and caring not at all for the plight of the middle class. They'd love dearly to wrest control of the internet, or monitor it without warrant. Free speech is under attack by corporate interests and their big media lackeys, all supported by uncle big brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 more here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 i dont understand the whole blocking of these sites, you still see the commercials, which is all that matters to the nfl  Doesn't reflect in ratings, can't charge when selling the commercials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I liked when the DOH announced 'criminal' proceedings from Disney headquarters.  http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/10252412910/homeland-security-seizes-spanish-domain-name-that-had-already-been-declared-legal.shtml  http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110201/17584712915/will-homeland-security-domain-seizures-lead-to-exodus-us-controlled-domains.shtml  It's nice that they're driving the innovation outside of the US to make businesses who can't adapt and try to legislate an outdated business plan warm and fuzzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Hey they make you wear your seat belt when you have the right to go through the window of your own car and they say this is for your safety. Has nothing at all to do with the 100$ they take from your wallet. TEA! Government wants nothing more than just handcuff us to there laws and hope we dont talk back. USA talked back last election day but they needed to do more! Cant let them keep taking our rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 adthe.net and channelsurfing.net are not the only sites out there. they can't shut them all down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The shutdown lasted all of 5 minutes.link Good use of resources lol that's hysterical. just watched some of the Cavs game on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 lol that's hysterical. just watched some of the Cavs game on there. Wonder if I will go to gitmo for providing that link? Why don't the networks get with it and provide their programing online? Hits=advertising dollars. Maybe they should ask Google about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Wonder if I will go to gitmo for providing that link? Why don't the networks get with it and provide their programing online? Hits=advertising dollars. Maybe they should ask Google about that. B-I-N-G-O and bingo was his name-o. Â Instead of fighting the futile war they need to adopt to change and see where the RIAA screwed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symbiant Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 They should just lower the price of the content to a price that ppl will pay to not have to do "shady" stuff... like what Apple did with music for $.99. But that makes too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 They didn't get the ones I use yet, for now. There was legislation that makes this legal, it is just dumb ppl find ways man, ppl find ways. Probation is not an answer, just regulating the unregulatable, just wait til they get that turn the net off switch law they are pushing for. Welcome to Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'm honestly SHOCKED it took this long. Blatant copyright infringement. They almost celebrated it.    Here we go... Yeah, it's TERRIBLE of the government to crack down on those who openly steal intellectual property.  Land of the Free? I hear flights to Egypt are real cheap if you're so upset.  I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying about copyright infringement...  But the "love it or leave it" argument is ridiculous.... Especially in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 This sucks. It was the only way I had to watch the Bills. Â I think by next season, another way will emerge and our enterprising Wallers will sniff it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_franchise Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 There are tons of sites out there. I remember when SSupload.com got shutdown, I was pretty bummed I might not get to watch free movies anymore. Since then I have came across countless other sites to watch free movies, shows, concerts, etc. on that don't have commercials like Hulu. Same goes for the sports, you can find plenty of p2p sites to catch sports on. Being in NC you don't really get to watch Buffalo sports.(Tangent warning)Even when Bills games were on this year, when they went to overtime every single time they would cut it off (with the exception of the Pittsburgh game) because they "ran out of time" but you know if it was New England, Indy, Green Bay, or any other contender they games would have stayed on. Anyways, places like Justin TV and MyP2P might get shutdown but soon after there will be another site to take its place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'm not surprised that these sites got shut down. What I am surprised by is that Homeland Security is involved. I guess Al Qaeda was streaming those Bills games. Â Â No wonder they're so pissed off all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 After reading this thread, I'm still shocked that there are some on the board who say that I have no respect for intellectual property... Â B-I-N-G-O and bingo was his name-o. Â Instead of fighting the futile war they need to adopt to change and see where the RIAA screwed up. Â They have adopted and changed their business plans... There are any number of ways to watch TV and movies online now. You can stream games through to your Sprint phone (according to the commercials during NFL games, anyway). You can watch games with DirecTV's streaming service. You can watch movies/TV shows through Hulu, Netflix, Blockbuster Online. You can stream the NBC game of the week online. The difference is people in this thread want to be able to watch them for *free.*. Â The RIAA screwed up by trying to shut the digital doors completely, but TV/movies haven't really done that - there are options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 keep posting all the other sites popping up will make my job of finding them much easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Thank god, I heard Bin Laden was going to start using this! I love how Homeland Security is in charge of this. What a crock. Our government is so f'd up. I love this country but HATE our government. Â I love the Bills, but hate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 This is a gigantic waste of time. They shut down the .net address, so it becomes .tv, and then .nfo, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'm honestly SHOCKED it took this long. Blatant copyright infringement. They almost celebrated it. Â Â Â Here we go... Yeah, it's TERRIBLE of the government to crack down on those who openly steal intellectual property. Â Land of the Free? I hear flights to Egypt are real cheap if you're so upset. Â I knew this was going to turn into thread of idiots before I opened up. How predictable- a website which illegally streamed sporting events, which hard working people have to pay for via cable TV or going to a sports bar, and now Obama is a Socialist. As if Obama himself has spent countless hours worrying about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 What an appropriate job for Immigration Control and Enforcement--enforcing illegal...content. This country is in trouble when the government can just pull the plug on free speech with no action from the courts. Meanwhile, Egypt is doing the same thing and we condemn. Â Don't care about who you voted for, but if you think this is an appropriate thing to happen in a free society, you've got issues, Democrat or Republican. These sites, and many more, are being pulled with no intervention from the courts. This is an overreach of the federal government, and smacks of what's going on in Egypt right now. Â I knew this was going to turn into thread of idiots before I opened up. How predictable- a website which illegally streamed sporting events, which hard working people have to pay for via cable TV or going to a sports bar, and now Obama is a Socialist. As if Obama himself has spent countless hours worrying about this. Â Don't care about who you voted for, but if you think this is an appropriate thing to happen in a free society, you've got issues, Democrat or Republican. These sites, and many more, are being pulled with no intervention from the courts. This is an overreach of the federal government, and smacks of what's going on in Egypt right now. Â I knew this was going to turn into thread of idiots before I opened up. How predictable- a website which illegally streamed sporting events, which hard working people have to pay for via cable TV or going to a sports bar, and now Obama is a Socialist. As if Obama himself has spent countless hours worrying about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Just playing devil's advocate here, but the reason why this is a homeland security issue is because of the tax dollars lost from those that would normally purchase the right to view these various events legally, and as we all know, our military is funded from our tax money. Â At the same time, this attempt will prove to be futile, because it's just way too easy for these websites to move to a new domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I can see blocking illegal movies and music downloads, but the NFL games are broadcasted over the air by the visiting team's channel at least. Would it be illegal if I had a big enough antenna that could receive every over the air broadcast in the USA? Wow I could make millions selling that antenna. Almost all TV companies stream their content (Non-sporting events) within a week of the broadcast now. And why does radio get to stream everything live and not TV? I'm in Detroit right now, but I can listen to 97 Rock on-line. The local radio stations here aren't whinning about it. ESPN3 streams the college football games, and can still blackout regions somehow. So why can't the NFL stream all the games and blackout the regions too? The NFL Sunday Ticket that's why. It just seems like pick and choose what is legal and what is not. Or maybe it's not a legal problem but just the NFL being extremely greedy. If that's the case, is it really a federal goverment issue? Wouldn't it be more of a civil issue? I'm so confused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Funny how everyone here is so quick to defend Fox news, Capitalism, and free markets as a concept, but when it involves actually PAYING THE MARKET RATE for a product such as football, it's OK to shirk those concepts if a free but "stolen" source is available. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Just playing devil's advocate here, but the reason why this is a homeland security issue is because of the tax dollars lost from those that would normally purchase the right to view these various events legally, and as we all know, our military is funded from our tax money. Â At the same time, this attempt will prove to be futile, because it's just way too easy for these websites to move to a new domain. My beef is not with the sites getting shut down, it's my tax dollars being spent to protect corporate interests. If it's unwed mothers on food stamps we call it welfare. But when it's a billion-dollar business it's what? Not to mention the diverting of time and effort from defending against real terrorism. Â PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Agree somewhat. But this issue is not about paying the market rate. It's about unfettered federal government power to seize anything it wants with no due process. Unless you're a fascist, that should scare you. If these sites are illegal, shut them down with the court system, not DHS and ICE. Â Funny how everyone here is so quick to defend Fox news, Capitalism, and free markets as a concept, but when it involves actually PAYING THE MARKET RATE for a product such as football, it's OK to shirk those concepts if a free but "stolen" source is available. Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 And why does radio get to stream everything live and not TV? I'm in Detroit right now, but I can listen to 97 Rock on-line. The local radio stations here aren't whinning about it. Back in the 90s when people started streaming radio, they were being shutdown. Radio stations can stream now because they PAY for it. And not every radio station streams -- not for technical reasons (well, I'm sure some do), but because they haven't paid for retransmission rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Agree somewhat. But this issue is not about paying the market rate. It's about unfettered federal government power to seize anything it wants with no due process. Unless you're a fascist, that should scare you. If these sites are illegal, shut them down with the court system, not DHS and ICE. Â First: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/126672-atdhenet-and-channelsurfingnet-seized-by-government/page__view__findpost__p__2099342 Â Second: the IPRCC got a court order first. It wasn't an arbitrary seizure, due process was followed, you moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreReed83 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Dont know how im going to watch the games now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 What an appropriate job for Immigration Control and Enforcement--enforcing illegal...content. This country is in trouble when the government can just pull the plug on free speech with no action from the courts. Meanwhile, Egypt is doing the same thing and we condemn. Do you know what free speech actually means....? Or are you one of the people who posts that your rights are being violated when a mod deletes an offending post on TSW? Â Also - from the notification, it seems to me that they DID get court approval. It states, "in accordance with a seizure warrant." Doesn't a warrant require a judge? I could be mistaken there in this context though. EDIT: Tom beat me to it, so I now I know I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonInBuffalo Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I ran a few trace routes, and discovered that channelsurfing.net, atdhe.net, and rojadirecta.org all resolved to the same hosting company. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that's not a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 After reading this thread, I'm still shocked that there are some on the board who say that I have no respect for intellectual property... Â Â Â They have adopted and changed their business plans... There are any number of ways to watch TV and movies online now. You can stream games through to your Sprint phone (according to the commercials during NFL games, anyway). You can watch games with DirecTV's streaming service. You can watch movies/TV shows through Hulu, Netflix, Blockbuster Online. You can stream the NBC game of the week online. The difference is people in this thread want to be able to watch them for *free.*. Â The RIAA screwed up by trying to shut the digital doors completely, but TV/movies haven't really done that - there are options. Â People want to watch them for free because of the outrageous prices being charged by the NFL for sunday ticket. If they were to come up with a reasonable pricing strategy, more people would purchase it. Instead, they insist on gouging the **** out of the NFL fan for $400 to watch 16 games. Â The music industry finally came up with a system that works. Instead of paying $15 for a CD where i like 3 of the 12 songs, i can now buy just those 3 songs for $3-4. In the same vein, why should people pay $400 when they are only going to watch 1-2 games per week (seeing how all the NFL games are on at the same time, its impossible to watch all of them). Charge $100-150 for someone to get a "team" pass and lots more people will sign up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 (edited) Funny how everyone here is so quick to defend Fox news, Capitalism, and free markets as a concept, but when it involves actually PAYING THE MARKET RATE for a product such as football, it's OK to shirk those concepts if a free but "stolen" source is available. Classic. Â Exactly. I thought the Republicans are all about "workin for a livin, earnin everything they get, no handouts..." but somehow are all about getting illegal free NFL games on their computer without paying like the rest of us who get the ticket or watch games at a sports bar. The guy/administration can't win for losin with the idiots of this country. Â Then again these are the same people who proclaim to support American jobs, blue collar workers, etc. and then vote to further empower and de-regulate private American companies who then move more jobs to foreign countries right in front of their faces, but they're too stupid to realize what's going on. Edited February 3, 2011 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Back in the 90s when people started streaming radio, they were being shutdown. Radio stations can stream now because they PAY for it. And not every radio station streams -- not for technical reasons (well, I'm sure some do), but because they haven't paid for retransmission rights. Do you know if it is possible for TV stations to stream their content if they pay for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 People want to watch them for free because of the outrageous prices being charged by the NFL for sunday ticket. If they were to come up with a reasonable pricing strategy, more people would purchase it. Instead, they insist on gouging the **** out of the NFL fan for $400 to watch 16 games.  The music industry finally came up with a system that works. Instead of paying $15 for a CD where i like 3 of the 12 songs, i can now buy just those 3 songs for $3-4. In the same vein, why should people pay $400 when they are only going to watch 1-2 games per week (seeing how all the NFL games are on at the same time, its impossible to watch all of them). Charge $100-150 for someone to get a "team" pass and lots more people will sign up.  First, Sunday ticket is $334 -- http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/sports/nfl  So if you only care about one team, you're paying ~$20/game if you pay full price. Watch a couple of games every week (17*2), and it's only $9.82/game. Yeah, that's a real ripoff. Most people don't even pay that much for the Ticket . I paid around $200-$250 last year if I remember correctly.  If you don't have/want DirecTV, you can get it via broadband for $350 -- not much more than if you have DirecTV and still only $20/game.  But be honest, you want it for free.  Do you know if it is possible for TV stations to stream their content if they pay for it?  Everything's available for a price, but I'm sure it would be cost prohibitive since the networks want eyes going to their main site (NBC.com instead of the local affiliate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 First, Sunday ticket is $334 -- http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/content/sports/nfl  So if you only care about one team, you're paying ~$20/game if you pay full price. Watch a couple of games every week (17*2), and it's only $9.82/game. Yeah, that's a real ripoff. Most people don't even pay that much for the Ticket . I paid around $200-$250 last year if I remember correctly.  If you don't have/want DirecTV, you can get it via broadband for $350 -- not much more than if you have DirecTV and still only $20/game.  But be honest, you want it for free.    Everything's available for a price, but I'm sure it would be cost prohibitive since the networks want eyes going to their main site (NBC.com instead of the local affiliate).  Well, duh, i do want it for free. But i'm also willing to pay a reasonable price to watch the Bills. $350 is not reasonable. $150 is.  As for the cheaper price, the best they could come up with last season for my buddy was $250, with another $100 for the HD. So we went to the bar instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted February 3, 2011 Author Share Posted February 3, 2011 Well, duh, i do want it for free. But i'm also willing to pay a reasonable price to watch the Bills. $350 is not reasonable. $150 is. Â As for the cheaper price, the best they could come up with last season for my buddy was $250, with another $100 for the HD. So we went to the bar instead. You're thinking two years ago -- last year there was no extra charge for HD, there was only an extra charge for streaming. Â And if you went to the bar every week, you spent far more than $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 well i watch the same bloody commercials everyone else does when i watch the bills online. i guess it doesn't count in the tv station's ratings, but the tv station is still doing what it is intended to do: sell viewers to advertisers. mind you i don't understand the swedish commercials when they stream the prime time games. Â anyway, this is much ado about nothing. i'd be upset if i paid taxes. it is a very silly exercise. atdhe is back already. i'm sure it will be no problem to watch the superbowl. Â and i might pay a buck a game. the nfl does very well. selling access to games and taking endless bucks from advertisers is a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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