Another Point of View Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article185119.ece Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, you are killing me here! I think he is saying we should lose just to get the higher draft pick! Well he hinted at it anyway! Edited September 9, 2010 by Another Point of View Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I thought the Dick Regime was rock bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article185119.ece Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, you are killing me here! I think he is saying we should lose just to get the higher draft pick! That's a good article by Sully, I must say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article185119.ece Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, you are killing me here! I think he is saying we should lose just to get the higher draft pick! When posters on TBD post negative views aren't they called a TROLL? Pretty sure JS is a troll of life. The glass is always 1/2 empty with a leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPhan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article185119.ece Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, you are killing me here! I think he is saying we should lose just to get the higher draft pick! Well he hinted at it anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Yeah, lets get the #1 pick so we can refuse to pay the guy $50 million guaranteed! I'm being sarcastic there. Who knows maybe a new agreement between owners and players will work out in favor of teams like the Bills in not having to pay top rookies that much. Back to the article. I'm not so sure I agree that hitting bottom is any sort of answer. In fact it felt like we hit bottom last year; ditching a starting OT and an offensive coordinator just before the season started, the number of players on IR, converting players from other positions to play LB, etc. That was a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Point of View Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 Can I challenge his article? The Bills won 6 games with 23 players on IR. Jerry is using last years team in December and he forgets about the talent that never made the field. A top NFL pick is great but you have to seperate the regular season from next years plans If you want that great QB then trade up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 We hit bottom last year, 6-10 is bottom when coupled with the 7-9s b4 thats about as low as it should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'm just curious who it was that thought the 2001 team was going to do anything other than suck. Half the talent left that offseason and Rob Johnson was at the helm. Who didn't see that one coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'd say we hit rock bottom already, last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Every time I hear someone put forth this "lose now, win later" theory, I get a little angry. Makes no sense to me. Even if it were true (which it isn't), how would you go about executing the plan? No one involved in the organization, from ball boy to owner, could possibly function with this goal in mind. You're where you are because you want to win. That's what you do, you play to win! Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 That's a good article by Sully, I must say. Agreed. Sully brings it yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 His comparison to 2001 couldn't be more wrong. Its nothing like 2001 at all. I stopped there before he went into the subtle "lose to get picks" mode. I decided not to help his ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Is he still banging that same drum? It should have a giant hole in it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 In the spirit of yesterdays week 1 haiku here's one for Jerry. Opinionated Repetitive, no new thoughts Year in and year out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PleskowPlayer Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 He makes good comments about the passion of fans adn i do not doubt his...i feel where Bills Fans and the rest of the world are miscommunicating is simply this--are team was not that bad last year definitly not as bad as the record shows--realistically we should ahve won game number 1 and perhaps if we had we would have gone into game 3 against the saints at 2-0 just as they were... and if no one remebers the bills played with the saints for 3 and a half quarters at 7-7 and jauron played it safe all game and we got no where and ended up getting crushed with 2 offensive drives for touchdowns...one think I feel mos toptimistic about this year is the fact that the team looks like they can put up points for once..from what I have seen are offense looks 300% better then last year for a few reasons--droping dead weight in TO and Josh Reed...the guy did not want to play here definitly not after losing that first game and he showed no passion in his route running or blocking...second our head coach is putting trust in Edwards and the offense to lead rather then the defense and although the old adage goes the best offense is a good defense the best defense is also a fresh defense provided by an offense that eats clock...which I thought we did pretty well in the preaseason definitly in the colts game...third we won 6 games last year with a college level O-line that is impressive in my book that shows the character of some of the players on both sides of the ball...All i have seen is predictions against the bills for week 1 my prediction ...Henne throws atleast 1 int and crumbles...miami runs the ball well as they do but we compete with them...the new look offense of the Bills is a surprise to Miami and they are unable to contain it...Bills win 31-24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Man Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Every time I hear someone put forth this "lose now, win later" theory, I get a little angry. Makes no sense to me. Even if it were true (which it isn't), how would you go about executing the plan? No one involved in the organization, from ball boy to owner, could possibly function with this goal in mind. You're where you are because you want to win. That's what you do, you play to win! Period. Agree with this ^ 100%. Isn't the entire point of watching your team each week to see them win? Worry about next year's draft position when the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 That was a terrible article, IMO. The team should just lose to get a top pick so we can draft a QB that has a 25% chance of becoming decent? This is a better idea than the team playing together and getting better and better as the season moves on as they get used to the new schemes, each other, and Gailey? As the OL finally gets a chance to have the same five guys in there at the same time? The players learning how to trust one another and their coach that they are on the right track? The comparison to Greggo's first year is a crappy one, too. We got rid of most of our good players before the season started. We lost our best player who was on the verge of being a superstar in the first half of the first game. We had a coach who knew nothing about being a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 As much as I hate Sully's style (or lack there of) I think I have to agree with him this time. If having your team run by a "marketing guy" instead of a "football guy" If bringing in a big "name" player because he can put butts in the seats instead of improve the team, If trading away your starting left tackle in the off season, If trying to fit the square peg of the (servicable) Right tackle into the round hole of the left tackle position and then cutting him days before the start of the season because the "experiment" didn't work, If firing your OC a week before the season, and replacing him with a guy who is an inexperianced even as a QB coach, If having a coach (who bye the way is enjoying a new contract extension)incapable of making game time adjustments Isn't hitting rock bottom I don't know what is. IMHO, somebody (Ralph???) realized we were going about this all wrong last year and decided to clean house and start anew. I don't think "hitting rock bottom" can necessarily be tied to won/loss numbers ... I think it's tied to the realization the organization is just too "honked up" to be sucessful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'd offer rock bottom happened last year, before the season started, with the lousy pre-season and firing of the offensive coordinator. I remain surprised at the lack of respect for talent on this football team. The players won 6 games despite the very best Dick Jauron could throw at them in lousy coaching, game planning and coaching chaos and the epidemic of injuries. And somehow, this year, with a competent coaching staff and a smooth 2-2 preseason (that easily could have been 3-1), there's lesser expectation. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Further evidence that Sully doesn't understand today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) We hit bottom last year, 6-10 is bottom when coupled with the 7-9s b4 thats about as low as it should go. Agreed. Forget about the records...we hit bottom because there was no direction from the coaching staff or front office. That's worse to me than what happened in 2001 when TD gutted the team and hired GW to rebuild it. As someone said, at least we knew back then that things were going to be bad, but there was a direction. Everyone here is optimistic because Gailey is the anti-Jauron and Nix has a football personnel background. The on-the-field product still has issues and question marks, but at least we (well, maybe just me) feel better because there's a group of men with NFL experience running the ship. We're not talking Superbowl, just a team to feel better about. As for Sullivan, I disagree. Teams don't need to "bottom out" to get better. There are situations where that may need to happen, but not always. It's disturbing that he thinks they need to get a high pick in order to improve. Let's see how the first 3-4 weeks play out before we start worrying about what pick we'll get. Edited September 9, 2010 by BuffaloWings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) I know, they got the No. 4 overall pick after '01 and wasted it on Mike Williams. That's no reason to be fearful of picking high. It's loser thinking. But its not loser thinking to wish the team to lose? Edited September 9, 2010 by murra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Here's yet another example of how a "professional" could benefit greatly simply by visiting ignominious little fan forums like ours. We've had this discussion about "rebuilding curves" many times now. His assumption (which is also the title of his piece) is flawed. What are the last teams to win a Super Bowl? How many of them had to "bottom out" with a 3-4 win season in order to commence a rebuilding project? Dave McBride and Rico, you guys seem to agree with Sullivan. Seeing as he won't answer these questions, hows about one of you guys give it a stab? In a related concept, as many of us mention every single time this subject comes up, It's not where you draft…it's how you draft. So again, how many of the last several Super Bowl teams had to "bottom out" in order to get better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 20 years? He thinks that's enough to talk the talk? Pffffft! Come back when you have 3x that Jerry, then we'll talk. How convenient of this 'noted' sports journalist to neglect the recent history of the defending champs from Nawlins'. 7-9 in '07 & 8-8 in '08. Granted, they didn't clean house, but they certainly tweeked the team and it's direction. Result: Super Bowl Champ in one turnaround year. They didn't tank the season to get high picks- hell, no one does. I feel bad for my beloved WNYers. You used to have great sports writers -even by national comparison. Nowadays, you make Jacksonville look good by comparison. Very grim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Point of View Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 Here's yet another example of how a "professional" could benefit greatly simply by visiting ignominious little fan forums like ours. We've had this discussion about "rebuilding curves" many times now. His assumption (which is also the title of his piece) is flawed. What are the last teams to win a Super Bowl? How many of them had to "bottom out" with a 3-4 win season in order to commence a rebuilding project? Dave McBride and Rico, you guys seem to agree with Sullivan. Seeing as he won't answer these questions, hows about one of you guys give it a stab? In a related concept, as many of us mention every single time this subject comes up, It's not where you draft…it's how you draft. So again, how many of the last several Super Bowl teams had to "bottom out" in order to get better? Great. great response,I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 20 years? He thinks that's enough to talk the talk? Pffffft! Come back when you have 3x that Jerry, then we'll talk. How convenient of this 'noted' sports journalist to neglect the recent history of the defending champs from Nawlins'. 7-9 in '07 & 8-8 in '08. Granted, they didn't clean house, but they certainly tweeked the team and it's direction. Result: Super Bowl Champ in one turnaround year. They didn't tank the season to get high picks- hell, no one does. I feel bad for my beloved WNYers. You used to have great sports writers -even by national comparison. Nowadays, you make Jacksonville look good by comparison. Very grim. I think sports journalism in Western New York has to hit rock bottom before it gets better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Point of View Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 I think sports journalism in Western New York has to hit rock bottom before it gets better I would say we hit rock bottom 19 years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I would say we hit rock bottom 19 years ago! And like football in Detroit, hasn't gotten any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I think sports journalism in Western New York has to hit rock bottom before it gets better BRILLIANT!!! I would say we hit rock bottom 19 years ago! And like football in Detroit, hasn't gotten any better. Exactly, Dean. How many times do the Detroit Lions have to "bottom out" before they get better? They've been the worst team or among the worst teams in the league how many years now? I can see where Sully actually tried this time to present a fair and comprehensive piece instead of his usual irreverant, flip, and sloppy work. But again, simply by spending a few minutes a day on this board, he'd be a much better football observer. His takes are like The Stadium Wall 101, undeveloped and unthoughtful. The very thesis of his latest piece is flawed in such a basic and elementary way that could be avoided if he actually engaged the people here who are much more serious observers of football than he is. There are some posters on this board that are light years beyond Sully in every measurable way. Sully supporters…it's your turn. Still haven't heard back from those who thought this was a good piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) Have to agree with those that said the franchise crashed and burned last year. They started the season in complete chaos and total disarray as many have noted. This year, the W-L record may be even worse, but there is a sense that there are some people around that are going to honestly try to put out the fires rather than run around with bags of marshmellows and singing "Happy Days Are Here Again". Have to agree with Sully on the Modrak point though. You are how you draft and the Bills draft history under this guy has been putrid. I realize Dick Jauron had his say in the war room (and have been saying it all along), but at some point someone in the organization needs to evaluate Modrak's input into the process and figure out why the Bills collectively have drafted some big time busts this past decade. If Modrak's input and function is nothing more than to go along with whatever the prevailing winds are in the war room, it's high time to move in a different direction and let someone else -- Whaley? -- have a real go at the job. Edited September 9, 2010 by Sisyphean Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Belucheese Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Jerry is a writer and NOT a football player; Even if he was young and with the physical tools he has NO heart to play this amazing game. I witnessed Mike Utley get paralyzed in Detroit, Ive seen teammates in college get maimed and their careers vanished.The force and energy of football must be played at full speed and players cannot take plays off especially at the professional level. NO TAKING PLAYS OFF bc not only do you risk getting hurt, but a teammate may suffer if you do not try your hardest. Each team must play their hardest for the entire season. the effort may or may not equate into Wins but at least the game was played right. Franchise QBs can be found in lower rounds (Brady)they can be discovered when theyre 2nd or 3rd strings (Favre at atlanta). So Sullivan wants to be the bad ass to pop the excitment bubble well its not gonna work bc this is the NFL and on any given Sunday. Its been proven over and over again that underdogs can rise. A losing season hurts everybody, the value of a player, the value of the franchise, job security and fan base. The minute this team lays down im done w/ them they can go 0-16 and I'd still be down w them so long as they WENT BALLS OUT trying. One positive thing about Sullivan's article is that perhaps it will help the fins underestimate our team. Perhaps that was the only way that this a manipulator can help us win. You don't manipulate the spirit of the game; you must play it hard and with all your might despite whatever off season mistakes or bad risks were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Have to agree with those that said the franchise crashed and burned last year. They started the season in complete chaos and total disarray as many have noted. This year, the W-L record may be even worse, but there is a sense that there are some people around that are going to honestly try to put out the fires rather than run around with bags of marshmellows and singing "Happy Days Are Here Again". Have to agree with Sully on the Modrak point though. You are how you draft and the Bills draft history under this guy has been putrid. I realize Dick Jauron had his say in the war room (and have been saying it all along), but at some point someone in the organization needs to evaluate Modrak's input into the process and figure out why the Bills collectively have drafted some big time busts this past decade. If Modrak's input and function is nothing more than to go along with whatever the prevailing winds are in the war room, it's high time to move in a different direction and let someone else -- Whaley? -- have a real go at the job. I'm pretty sure Modrak's role has been watered down quite a bit now that Buddy and Chan are in charge...I think the fact that they kept him around is proof Buddy respects his ability to Scout (and I'm not certain why that is... ), but he's not going to have much of a say any longer in who gets selected...That's just my take on it... I think Sully's going to be a bit disappointed when it's all said and done this Season because I doubt very much this version of The Buffalo Bills is a 3-13 or 4-12 Team...Just the same way I doubt they are a 10-6 or 11-5 Team...I think in the end they will finish between 7-9 and 9-7 and if they want a 1st Round QB they are just going to have to maneuver in the 1st Round to assure that...I just can't see how this Team is that much worse than Last Season when they finished 6-10 and lost 5 Games by a TD or less...3 of those by 3 points or less including games vs. the Pats and Browns that they simply pissed away...How in the world are they going to be worse than that in 2010? I don't know...I could be wrong...But I'm thinking this Team bottomed-out last Season and somehow, some way by the grace of God, won 6 Games while doing so...We'll see soon enough though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I'm pretty sure Modrak's role has been watered down quite a bit now that Buddy and Chan are in charge...I think the fact that they kept him around is proof Buddy respects his ability to Scout (and I'm not certain why that is... ), but he's not going to have much of a say any longer in who gets selected...That's just my take on it... Hope that is true... I'd like Nix to take on the bigger picture though, and not be the main college scout. I'd like to see him reorganize the college scouting of the franchise and upgrade the talent there, frankly. I think Sully's going to be a bit disappointed when it's all said and done this Season because I doubt very much this version of The Buffalo Bills is a 3-13 or 4-12 Team...Just the same way I doubt they are a 10-6 or 11-5 Team...I think in the end they will finish between 7-9 and 9-7 and if they want a 1st Round QB they are just going to have to maneuver in the 1st Round to assure that...I just can't see how this Team is that much worse than Last Season when they finished 6-10 and lost 5 Games by a TD or less...3 of those by 3 points or less including games vs. the Pats and Browns that they simply pissed away...How in the world are they going to be worse than that in 2010? I don't know...I could be wrong...But I'm thinking this Team bottomed-out last Season and somehow, some way by the grace of God, won 6 Games while doing so...We'll see soon enough though... I take little or nothing from last season as a basis for this season. Everything is different, or enough different, that I don't see really much basis for comparison or using last year's results as a basis to say how this year's team will do. The Bills won and stayed in games last year on the strength of their defense, a defense that Jauron and Fewell put together and had developed for 4 straight years. While Jauron had his problems with offense and building a winning club, he did know something about defense. All of that was jettisoned, and from what I have seen so far, not for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 JS gives lazy generalizations. I know some of you hate on Bill Simmons, but everyone is familiar with his columns. His dad, or at least the character he creates as his "dad", reminds me so much of Jerry Sullivan. Broad, generalized points, that often are correct, but only because the points are so sweeping. Something like, "the Bills are going to be bad this year because they aren't a good team". Or "the Bills really need to get QB in next years draft". Or "They really need to rip everything apart and start over to be good". These points all have merits, but they are incredibly lazy. They ignore all details. Specifically, that getting the 1st or 2nd overall pick, is often a curse because it gives the front office little to no flexibility and handcuffs them to a high salary for an unknown commodity. Or the fact that the Bills are essentially in rebuilding mode and the team is as close as it can get to "starting over". The only players we have that are making money aside from Lee Evans are our draft picks, so we have financial flexibility so to speak. Plus, I believe the Bills have one of the youngest squads in the NFL. We have a new coach and GM (they weren't the names that Sullivan wanted, but so far so good). I mean, what else does he want? Point being, I don't hate on JS as much as the rest of you. His negativity is fair, the Bills as a franchise have been insufferable for over a decade. So I could care less about the negativity of his views, so long as they aren't lazy views. I mean, Buff News isn't the NY Times, but it isn't a college newspaper either. How about some insight and analysis? Not just things that I could get from one of my dad's rants. His dad is real, he shows pictures of him in his columns, now about that Sports Gal... My thing is that Simmons uses his dad as figure in his columns to show the pulse, often reactionary, of a given sports team fan base. Generalizations, yes, but they’re usually during a game or right after it that exhibit pure emotion. JS, who I don’t hate either, is a columnist that has days, weeks to craft his columns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 1998 P. Manning 1 R. Leaf 2 1999 T. Couch 1 D. McNabb 2 Akili Smith 3 D. Culpepper 11 C. McNown 12 2000 C. Pennington 18 2001 M. Vick 1 2002 D. Carr 1 J. Harrington 3 P. Ramsey 32 2003 C. Palmer 1 B. Leftwich 7 K. Boller 19 R. Grossman 22 2004 E. Manning 1 P. Rivers 4 B. Roethlisberger 11 JP Losman 22 2005 Alex Smith 1 A. Rodgers 24 J. Campbell 25 2006 V. Young 3 M. Leinart 10 J. Cutler 11 2007 J. Russel 1 B. Quinn 22 2008 M. Ryan 3 J. Flacco 18 2009 M. Stafford 1 M. Sanchez 5 J. Freeman 17 2010 S. Bradford 1 T. Tebow 25 So there have been 35 #1's since 1998. I would say at most 10 of them are a QB we would love to have leading our team, and perhaps 13 if you count Stafford, Sanchez and Bradford. By tanking the season I would say that would be (arbitrarily) in the top three picks. In that case, there were 14 of them before Stafford and Bradford where the jury is still out (although for the benefit of the doubt, I would say I would love to have either of them on my team right now, even not knowing their future). Of the 14 I would say 6 were someone you would want for sure and a couple others MAYBE (like Vick pre-prison, or Vince Young or Alex Smith) whom a lot of fans and coaches may not want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 That's a good article by Sully, I must say. Been PROVEN over and over you don't need to bottom out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 This is our problem in a nutshell from the article: "This is still a team with a lot of problems, and a glaring shortage of talent. They have no established No. 2 receiver, inferior offensive tackles, a weak linebacking corps that will struggle in coverage and in the pass rush. The same defensive linemen who struggled against the run last season will be adjusting to a 3-4." The defense is a work in progress and hopefully the front 7 will improve with each week. I have no doubt that we are deep in high quality and aggressive cornerbacks and safeties. The offensive tackles are an issue but so far they are looking less than awful and we might produce. The lack of a number 2 receiver when we got rid of Owens and Reed out of the box is pretty inexcusable. We'll know a lot more on Monday morning than we do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 The defense is a work in progress and hopefully the front 7 will improve with each week. I have no doubt that we are deep in high quality and aggressive cornerbacks and safeties. The offensive tackles are an issue but so far they are looking less than awful and we might produce. The lack of a number 2 receiver when we got rid of Owens and Reed out of the box is pretty inexcusable. We'll know a lot more on Monday morning than we do now. We've had this discussion about "rebuilding curves" many times now. His assumption (which is also the title of his piece) is flawed. What are the last teams to win a Super Bowl? How many of them had to "bottom out" with a 3-4 win season in order to commence a rebuilding project? Dave McBride and Rico, you guys seem to agree with Sullivan. Seeing as he won't answer these questions, hows about one of you guys give it a stab? In a related concept, as many of us mention every single time this subject comes up, It's not where you draft…it's how you draft. So again, how many of the last several Super Bowl teams had to "bottom out" in order to get better? TB, an appraisal of the team is irrelevant. The discussion is: a) Have the Bills "bottomed out?" b) Is bottoming out necessary for a team to begin improving? c) Why have so many excellent organizations and recent Super Bowl teams NOT bottomed out? d) Why have so many perennially sucky organizations who keep bottoming out never improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripes Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) Haven't the Bills actually followed the "bottoming out" strategy this year that JS would recommend? They did not draft a serious QB prospect or sign Jake Delhomme or Derek Anderson as stopgap starters. They gutted the wide receiver corps behind Lee Evans to a fleet of inexperienced question marks. They didn’t break the bank on any impact free-agent linebackers or linemen. They didn’t replace their leading pass rusher. If the Bills end up winning 6-8 games this year, you can’t say they weren’t not trying. Edited September 9, 2010 by Cripes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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