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Yea free agency and then the explosion of the cap hurt the Bills in the 90s and far far more in the 2000s. They would let a guy like Nate Clements walk and then draft McGee instead of actually pooling that talent together. It is why to me they really fell into a drought because the talent pool never grew it just recycled especially after 2004. I have read the Brown family never would sell and is fiercely protective of their team... But it is at the expense of what was a really good roster. When Jessie Bates left I thought they could have issues because he was like Hyde where he kind of QB'd the defense and letting Reader go didn't help. It is why when Carson Palmer spoke and said Burrow should leave eventually he was speaking the truth even if it angered Cincy fans. Their a budget team that has wasted a lot of good talent since Mike took over.

Nate Peterman. Literally the worst qb in nfl history.

I can't remember every practice squad or 3rd stringer that ever played for the team, so I'm just going off biggest disappointments in terms of draft selection. 1. Aaron Maybin 2. Kaiir Elam 3. Mike Williams 4. Erik Flowers 5. Perry Tuttle Honorable mentions to Vontae Davis for making it half a game before retiring at halftime, and Nate Peterman for just being Nate Peterman. Edit: Oh, and Rob Johnson. What a waste of time, money & effort. He was never any good, and all hopes of him being good ruined actual good teams by forcing him upon us. Nah, I'd put him right up there with the worst of the worst. But I've always thought Elam was bad & never had any faith in him. The fact he was a 1st round pick & stayed on the roster this long just reaffirms my feelings.

Mike Williams and Aaron Maybin are probably the biggest top 15 pick busts, especially since they contributed to the 17 yr drought and those high pick whiffs killed the Bills chance to get better. But Nate Peterman is a good choice, given how bad he was and yet McDermott kept starting him (even over rookie Josh). McGahee has to get some love for the way he left the Bills too

Got to be nate peterman. I have seen a lot of bad Bills QB play, but Nate the great takes the cake by a long shot

There are busts, and then there are bad players. Nate Peterman was a mid-round pick who was thrown in too early, and with little around him. Bad player, absolutely. Bad situation, no doubt. Not a bust. if the question is busts, Maybin is a good call, but many experts were stunned by that pick, so maybe that was simply a bad draft decision. I might go with Mike Williams, I believe our highest draft pick in the drought era. Huge lineman, no heart for the game. Never made a contribution, took his $$ (and that was the era where 1st rounders got paid big time) and did NOTHING.

Ed Wang was one of the worst draft picks I’ve ever seen this team make. Nate Peterman for sure. Another Buddy Nix era player Duke Williams was terrible. Torell Troupe.

Nobody is denying his talent at QB in his prime. He's a first-ballot HoFer. He is just really prickly from a personality standpoint and is no longer worth the headache. He's also not "all-in" on football any longer. Last year, he skipped mandatory minicamp to go on a trip to Egypt with friends. He then got Salah fired, dividing the locker room on a team that was still in the playoff mix. He also forced the Jets to bring in his Packers buddies, creating a rift between Aaron's guys (Nate Hackett, Lazard, Cobb, and then Adams) and the rest of the Jets offense, including young stars like Breece Hall and Garret Wilson. He did all this stuff in GB, but he was worth the trouble then. Now he's not.

I agree with you McDermott has evolved. He started as Bills HC trumpeting a strong run game to play in snowy Buffalo weather and winning the field position battle. I remember the interview on WGR well. This year it was evident that he was more joyful, happier, spoke frequently about how special the City of Buffalo is. But ... when you say arbitrary reasons and fans just want blood ... WR quality was again a major contributor to this teams downfall in the Playoffs. I know Beane says "we're close" - Brandon the team got halfway there to a Super Bowl victory. Once again Allen trying to throw down the field and it's Mack Hollins leading the way. Didn't double dip at WR to give yourself the best chance, traded out of the first round. They had to try something after the Allen 9/30 Houston game so Amari Cooper was brought in. Of course I was a fan of the move, they had to try something. And this is where you say but this is a Beane criticism. Well, as we've said that's the downside of a defensive head coach, Allen will lift good OCs and you're always at risk of losing those coaches. McDermott So onto McDermott - a lot of debate right now on who to extend/re-sign - Benford, Bernard, Rousseau and Hamlin if you want him. This will use up the majority of cap space the team has, but also it locks the Bills further into the Sean McDermott defensive style. He is the one directing the FO on what type of players his staff needs. It's why it becomes an existential crisis for this team to take Taron Johnson off the field sometimes and put Dorian Williams in. It's why we have to employ a defensive line rotation, and why the Safety's play 20-yards down the field, and why good QBs eat his zone defense apart, and when the pivot to man defense there is always a weak corner to pick on. McDermott is the architect of the defense. He's had significant investment from the FO to support his vision. And it's a defense that continues to crumble in the Playoffs. More than anything it's the gut wrenching losses that are starting to pile up on his resume - up to and including 2020 was gravy for the team. As you said the 17-year Playoff drought ended, he eventually got over his man crush on Nate Peterman, and the team improved throughout 2019 and 2020. But 13-seconds was an all-time debacle. Then the team escapes the Wildcard in 2022, only to be hammered by the Bengals at home in which his defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier said the team had already developed a gameplan for the Monday Nighter and they were going reuse that. Then 2023 the team goes on the run to make the Playoffs, only to fall apart health wise against the Dolphins and Steelers so they are depleted against the Chiefs. 2024, the team is better offensively than anyone really predicted, they lead the league with a +27 turnover differential, hit the Playoffs healthy, stop the Ravens, and once again can't contain the KC offense and the offense has a below average game for them and they lose again. So 8-years in now, 7-7 in the Playoffs, 7-2 at home, 0-5 on the Road. We're staring at the defensive line needing to be rebuilt, #2 corner is a need again, both Safety positions are weak, the best linebacker in 15-years is getting older. Bottom Line The model for this entire McDermott-Beane build has been to draft, develop and retain. The results have been some good players in the draft, but few real difference makers. We've extended our own guys and the roster is now maxed out in cap space annually. We rely on restructures to get compliant every year. On the field it's a lot of Josh Allen covering for an average (being nice) group of skill position players. The defense has been atrocious in elimination games. Beane and McDermott are a package deal. The problem is the clock on Allen is ticking, next year he is 29 years old, Year 8. You don't win the Super Bowl next year, and now he's 30 years old. You're not firing McDermott and Beane, they get 2025. But if they lose another AFCCG (0-3), or a Divisional (2-4) I think it's more than fair to ask can this HC and GM even get you to a single Super Bowl? It's professional sports, you don't get to keep the job forever because you're a nice guy and adopt Buffalo as your home. And I would think if Pegula did his research on HCs and GMs this year, there would be plenty of people that would investment more resources around Allen, and try a different style of defense. Pegula has done his part with the money. It's time for the Playoff results.

At one point he was like 5/13 for 40 yards and 2 INTS. (Should have been 3 as one was dropped) Those numbers are Nate Peterman bad lol

Even mediocre is too kind. They made him look like Nate Peterman until garbage time

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So my thought process here isn't about a head coach who beat the Chiefs. Antonio Pierce beat the Chiefs last year. Bradon Staley beat them. Nate Hackett nearly beat them as head coach of the Broncos and Nate is probably the worst HC in the history of the NFL. Lost by 3 actually...sound familiar? That to me is a very simplistic way of looking at a very complicated game. I'm talking about having a guy in the building who could likely help prepare the team to play against a guy with whom he has pretty deep knowledge.

They dismissed that it mattered at all, not that it was a secret. I'm not sure I understand why it would be reasonable for them to dismiss the caller's point when you confirm the Bills clearly should've adjusted in game. Jeremy and Nate refused to acknowledge the tendency, which was then exploited by the Chiefs, much to our chagrin.

I mentioned this before, but on Sunday afternoon, a caller into WGR told Jeremy and Nate that he noticed Allen always tush pushes/sneaks to the left pushing off his right foot. He mentioned the Chiefs would certainly be aware of this and be prepared, although Jeremy and Nate more or less dismissed him. I keep thinking about that caller.

29 points on the road even in a c plus b minus game was enough to win. It's enough to win in almost all history in the playoffs. His defense let him down again along with coaching. Allen is number 1 all time in NFL playoff history in Tds per game Yards per game Td to int ratio Total td to turnovers ratio Please for the love of God get some game wreckers on the dline and at corner Get him his Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett and Nate odomes Tired of this

This is the exact mentality that destroys any fun people have watching sports and taking in sports commentary. Or maybe you're right. Unless one of them wins the Superbowl, there's no difference between Joe Burrow and Nate Peterman. Doom! Angst! Instant Gratification!

Yes and James Williams, Henry Jones, Thomas Smith, Jeff Burris, Antoine Winfield, Nate Clements, Donte Whitner, and Leodis McKelvin also send their regards. The list of running backs also wanted to say hi but I told them to check in later.

We can lie to ourselves but turning into an extended version of this eras Warren Moon oilers is truly gut wrenching and tough to swallow. Sunday night was a moment of clarity for me as a fan of this great team. They're never winning a championship with this regime and that's just where I'm at. I tried to be super positive but I'm sorry it's just true. And the roster is very middle class of the NFL with zero blue chip players around Allen. There's not even a Cornelius Bennett or Nate odomes and that's on Beane. It's kinda disgusting that entering year 8 Allen has no real stars around him. The oline was finally upper echelon but it took 6-7 years So yeah that's where I am

"Sit down, Drake. Nate is here, and he's bringing a friend..." 😁

Maybe he'll bring Nate Hackett along as his OL quality control coach

For anyone here to blame #17 for the loss is in my opinion ; "out there". Amari Cooper has the speed of a cement truck. Didnt Beane and his scouts see that on 2024 game film? Golden Wheels Miller isnt his fault. He got injured and is forever toast. The ways the referees "steer" games is also noteworthy. I know the tricks as one uncle decades ago in the rockpile days was a Bills Chain Ganger and he showed us how they give and take with the chains. Now its happening on the field with absolute intensional spots by the referees. Especially that last play where one official marks the first down yet hes overuled by another further away? Anyone who cant see it really needs to look at film and watch as its quite obvious. Sometimes the Bills get hosed by the yard. But this is entertainment so the league can legally fix a game. At issue is dumb and dumber. Beane has whiffed on more draft choices along with his scouts. The trade with Kansas City in 2024 I must ask whether Beane is on the Chiefs payroll? As far as coach, hes a Rex Ryan clone. They both cant coach defense and never could as they road another mans legacy and took the glory. Sports Illistrated knows all about Mcdermott and whom really did the heavy lifting in Carolina as those great players on defense were drafted before he ever showed up. Andy Reid also saw it in Philly when he fired Mcdermott. Mcdermott is riding Josh Allen and if Allen wasnt here coach would have been fired back in 2019. I recall how fast he wanted Tyrod out of here for the next rising son; Nate Peterman. Huh? As far as spiritual, religion and God goes he also knows you coach. So tell us how many times have you been to the Super Bowl as it will be never at the helm of the Buffao Bills. God doesnt have your back. Just ask Kincade about that drop Waterglass Out!

allen is too nice to do it, but he should walk into the owner's office and say trade me or fire the front office. he should say he's going to give pegula 24 hours and then he's holding a press conference making it public. pegula would waffle, and then josh would do the confrence, and then mcd and beane and the ghosts of boogie basham and nate peterman will exit buffalo.

That third down swing pass before Spags outcoached Brady on fourth down is arguably the worst call of the season. Up there with the garbage TE screen call last week against the Ravens in an important moment. Wait... I might be seeing a pattern here. Edit - I totally forgot about the third and goal fade route to Coleman too! That's up there with Doug Marrone and Nate Hackett playcalling.

A guy called in to WGR this afternoon and told Jeremy and Nate that Allen always goes left side on the tush push, suggesting KC would know this and defend it but they dismissed him. Rare that a WGR caller offers genuine insight but I noted it and sure enough, here we are.