Albany,n.y.

Bill O'Brien before he got fired. Now it's too late.

Jake is the equivalent of a baseball player whose position is LEFT OUT.

We'll get 10 games in Albany this year-it may go up to more if the Jets continue to be unwatchable. I used to go out for the other games but this season I've been using internet streams combined with Redzone & WGR's broadcast on its website. The stream is about 1-2 minutes behind the game, so if they switch to the game on Redzone, it's way ahead of the stream. The biggest problem with the internet stream is I can only watch it on my Kindle since my laptop's virus protection blocks it as a malicious website. I don't watch those streams on my desktop ever since I lost a computer that got infected after watching a Bills game years ago. I never watch questionable stuff on my main computer. The laptop is an old Windows 7 & I don't care if I kill it. I had Spectrum for the last 2+ years and the final straw, after they raised me $42 on my 2nd anniversary with them, was when they took Redzone away from my gold package & wanted another $5. I had switched from FIOS when Spectrum gave me a deal that Verizon couldn't match. I tried switching back to Verizon earlier this year & they weren't coming into the houses so I waited a while. Once the football season started & they pulled the Redzone from my package I found out Verizon was now going into houses & I switched back. I got the Redzone & EPIX back & I'm paying $45 less per month. Even if Verizon raises me, I'm never going back to Spectrum.

It's a combination of having to be the QB of the 2018 Bills a team with one of the worst O-lines & virtually no receivers. As a rookie his top 2 receivers were Zay Jones who I'm amazed is still getting playing time in Las Vegas & Robert Foster, who is now on GB's practice squad. The other part is the learning curve playing with new WRs, RBs & O-linemen to start his sophomore season. What's even more stunning is his play this year where he hasn't thrown any INTs but is tagged with one because of ref/replay incompetence. He has definitely grown up from the raw rookie who arrived in 2018, but the team around him that year hurt his "on paper" view.

We traded up for our franchise QB & LT. You trade up for a player you strongly believe in. One of the best trade ups in NFL history was for Jerry Rice. I prefer trade ups better than trade downs. You know the player you're getting in a trade up. A trade down is buying a pig in a poke.

Here's some problems: 1) Gilmore wanted out & he was gone the second the Bills didn't franchise him. 2) Drafting Mahomes looks obvious now, but the Bills weren't about to saddle a new GM with a QB he didn't pick 3) Nobody would start at 21, move up to 12 & then still have to trade 2 1st rounders and a 2nd to pick a guard. Nelson went #6, the Bills deal with Denver was for the draft choices I just mentioned-just look at the complaints about taking Ford to play G in the 2nd & you want to move up above 5 for Nelson. Sorry not feasible. I'll pass on making a statement on your WR suggestions because too many things have happened by the time it was time to use their 2020 1st rounder.

Yes, the fact that Houston traded their 2018 pick to Cleveland after the Bills/KC trade was a bad deal for the Bills. If they had dealt the pick to Houston, a team that would be playing a rookie QB while KC would have a proven starter at QB in 2017, they could have drafted Allen at 4 & kept both #2s & could have received a pick for Glenn instead of a move up in the draft that would have been unnecessary. Or they could have moved up to 12 by trading Glenn to Cincy, drafted Edmunds there, & kept the 3rd pick they got for Taylor. Making the deal with KC instead of Houston was egregious.

Not in the Bills war room. The Bills had Allen rated much higher than Rosen. They were willing to trade up to 5 for Allen but had no intention of trading up for Rosen. The leaked white board that had 1)Allen, 2)Darnold, 3)Mayfield, with the Bills willing to trade for each but not Rosen at #4 has proven to be quite accurate of the Bills mindset as draft coverage verified by other insiders had the Bills/Denver deal confirmed as long as Chubb wasn't available. There was never a coin flip between Allen & Rosen at One Bills Drive.

I'll take good management over luck in weeding out the failures. The Bills didn't take Allen on a lark. Go to the thread What did so many experts miss about Josh Allen & look at some of the stuff posted. Things that indicated the Bills did due diligence with Allen are available there including that the Bills looked at film of everything Allen did in Wyoming, the 3 separate visits with Allen not even including the emotional phone call the day of the draft where the Bills talked about 30 minutes with Allen about his teenage Twitter posts. Then the game that most impressed Beane was a game where Josh had horrible stats yet almost willed the team to victory in the rain & snow. Contrast that with the Russell interview with Detroit where both the coach and GM kicked him out of their offices for his lackadaisical attitude and Matt Millen calling Al Davis to warn him not to draft Russell but Davis who at that point in his life was the epitome of bad management didn't listen to Millen. A lot of QB draft mistakes can be eliminated by good management & doing their homework on a player instead of just getting enamored by certain attributes. Look back at the Bills 2 prior 1st round draft failures. Tom Donahoe tried to move up for Roethlisberger & panicked and drafted JP Losman. Do you think Donahoe had scouts look at every throw JP made, interviewed Losman 3 times including visits to his school's town and Buffalo and talked at length with his coaches-I seriously doubt that since his target was Roethlisberger but he either didn't have the draft capital to move past Pittsburgh or was unwilling to pay the price necessary to move up. When the Bills drafted EJ Manuel Nix had boxed himself into a corner and chose a QB in the worst QB class in years. Once again I doubt the Bills did anywhere near the due diligence that current Bills management did with Allen. When a QB fails a lot of people blame the coaches. I blame the GM & scouts more because they just didn't do enough due diligence including multiple interviews, live scouting by the GM, and tons of film study. The Bills did just about everything a team could do before drafting Allen. I'd bet most QBs drafted in the 1st round get less than half the pre-draft attention the Bills did with Allen. The only luck the Bills had was the draft falling into their laps. If the Giants had drafted Allen instead of Barkley all the Bills planning & studying would have gone down the drain & we would have been as screwed as Donahoe was when Pittsburgh took Roethlisberger. Luck is the residue of design.

If there was any reason to believe Beane was leaking Carolina's info to the Bills during the draft there would have been an investigation and the Bills would have been slapped HARD. Yet, you who know all has this all figured out. Please take off the tinfoil hat.

Seattle passed on him twice, so they weren't exactly the geniuses that some are making them out to be.

Beane was in Carolina when Mahomes & Watson were drafted. You act like you know more than everyone else & you don't even know who the GM was.

I'm sure that some Jets fan is complaining that the Jets didn't take Davis before we did. Every draft choice who outperforms his draft status has fans of every team complaining that they know more than the team's GM.

Pretty bad examples: Favre-A 2nd round pick who a year later the team was offered a #1 pick for and took it. Warner-A raw rookie undrafted free agent who got caught up in a numbers game behind a future HOFer, A former Heisman winner & a future Pro Bowler & long term NFL starter. Smith-Spent EIGHT seasons with the 49ers before being traded. EIGHT SEASONS! Brees-Spent 5 seasons with the Chargers. His career started off mediocre & after his 3rd season the team drafted Manning & traded him for Rivers the day of the draft. However the Chargers didn't let him go & he held off Rivers & had a good to great season in his 4th year. He then was franchised & was the starter in his 5th year. In his last game as a Charger he suffered a severe injury and since he was a free agent the Chargers decide that rather than risk big $ on a medical risk, they would go with Rivers.

More proof stats are meaningless. You have to see the player play to properly evaluate him. Watching Josh in his rookie year anyone could see the flashes of brilliance that gave observers encouragement for his future. I doubt the same could be said for Haskins.

I don't agree. I think it's pretty easy for NFL coaches to spot a bust since they see him just about every day at practice and in games. When the coach believes he's got a bust, his 1st inclination is to bench him ASAP because he realizes that the bad QB can cost him his job. Marrone bailed on EJ for Orton & Mularkey bailed on JP for Holcomb. Neither EJ nor JP were ruined, they never had it & the coach realized it & benched them. The only reason JP got another shot was because a new coaching staff that didn't see him every day came in. The next year they benched him for a rookie after JP got injured. Look at Josh Rosen. Arizona saw a bust, dumped him off to Miami & Miami cut him after 2 years in the NFL. Nobody wants him on their active roster, now he's on a practice squad on his way to oblivion. There were a lot of questions about Haskins & his lack of college experience going into the draft. I think Ron Rivera & his staff have seen enough to write the guy off. It's always easier for someone who had nothing to do with drafting him to bench a high draft pick. I expect Haskins to ride off to the sunset and join a lot of 1st round QB busts. Nobody ruined him.

Kyle Allen starts, Alex Smith #2, Haskins to be inactive. https://www.nfl.com/news/washington-kyle-allen-starting-quarterback-rams-in-week-5-dwayne-haskins

The problem isn't the Titans losing a game. In fairness it's the Bills getting a win without playing and how it affects other teams in the playoff fight with us. Let's look at it from another point of view: Say the Bills are in a fight for homefield the division or a playoff spot. The team they are trying to beat out gets a win via forfeit. We'd be going crazy if NE got a "free" win.

I think I found the biggest epic fail of all the pre-draft columns: https://primetimesportstalk.com/2018/03/05/connon-hypocrisy-reigns-in-the-nfl-draft-qb-conversation/ There are two quarterbacks in this year’s draft class who will emerge as stars, without question—UCLA’s Josh Rosen and USC’s Sam Darnold. There are mock drafts that have Allen going No. 1 and Mayfield going No. 5, with Darnold and Rosen potentially falling out of the top 10. If any team passes on those two for Allen or Mayfield, that team should be dissolved. ' In all honesty, I pray that the scouts for the teams at the top of the draft don’t overlook them too. They are generational talents, and much more suited for the NFL game than Mayfield or Allen—and don’t even get me started on Lamar Jackson. Talk to me in a year, or maybe in five years, or ten. When Rosen and Darnold are taking over the league while Allen and Mayfield have faded into obscurity, I’ll be here, giving everyone a nice dose of “told you so” for good measure.

Dan Orlovsky would fire him today:https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-detroit-lions-qb-dan-orlovsky-obliterates-matt-patricia-it-s-a-bunch-of-trash/ar-BB19IFXa?ocid=msedgdhp He is unequivocally rejecting Patricia's premise that "there was a lot of work to do." "First of all, we were 11-5 in 2014, and a real good football team," Orlovsky said on ESPN Radio's morning show, "Keyshawn, JWill & Zubin," on Monday. "(In) 2015, we go 7-9, it's because we turn the football over, but the last eight games, we were 7-1, so flipped our season around. The next two years, we were 9-7, and I believe we were playing Green Bay in both years with a chance to win the division. "To come in and say you had a lot work to do is completely false. It's a bunch of trash. Because that wasn't the case in Detroit. We were a good football team. Matthew Stafford was playing as good as he has in his career. That was because of Coach Caldwell. And we were an organization that was ascending, we were building." And Orlovsky wasn't done. "The culture was amazing. The culture was fantastic. So, you had a winning record in three of your four years. The culture was great and your quarterback was playing really good football. "So for (Patricia) to say there was a lot of work to be done is a bunch of trash."

There might be a lot of places for Daboll to go and be a head coaxh Dead Men Walking Adam Gase -Jets Dan Quinn-Falcons Doug Marrone-Jaguars Vic Fangio-Broncos If things don't improve he's gone Matt Patricia-Lions Anthony Lynn-Chargers Bill O'Brien-Texans Mike Zimmer-Vikings Vets who could be one & done Mike McCarthy-Cowboys Ron River-Washington (health reasons)

Here's the bad news, the Bills weren't the team that originated the song. I'm not sure who originally sang it, but I saw a video of the Steelers dynasty of the 70s & one of the clips had the Steelers players singing to the same tune "I got a feeling Pittsburgh's going to the Super Bowl."

Isiah Robertson LB 1979-1982. Chuck Knox brought him over to the Bills after coaching him with the Rams. I remember that song and used to sing it all the time. The time I best remember was I was driving on a parkway in LI when I heard about the USFL lawsuit ending with the award of $3. Immediately I had visions of Jim Kelly QBing the Bills and I started singing that song in my car.

Russell was always lazy & never was going to make it in the NFL with his attitude. I've seen stories about Ryan Leaf pre & post draft that also showed him to have a bad attitude. One thing with Allen. Nobody ever found his attitude during the draft process to be anything but top notch, especially in his 3 pre-draft visits with the Bills. Here's a gem I found about Russell's interview with Detroit: In 2015, Matt Millen said in a radio interview that he warned former Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis not to draft Russell in 2007. According to Millen, Russell struggled to pay attention during a pre-draft interview in his office during a visit to Detroit which had the No. 2 pick that year to the point where Millen kicked Russell out after he kept looking down at his watch. "I keep talking to him, I ask him questions and he looks at his watch," Millen said. "I said, 'You got some place you need to be?' And he goes, 'Oh, no, no, no. I'm sorry. Sorry, sir.' So I ask him another question, he looks at his watch and I said, 'You're done, get out of here." Millen said he then told Russell to go to see head coach Rod Marinelli, who later also told Russell to leave his office. "So I'm done, I can't believe what I just witnessed, and so I call Al," Millen said, "I get on the phone and I say, 'Coach, I don't know what you're thinking, but don't take JaMarcus Russell. Don't take Calvin Johnson, but don't take JaMarcus Russell.