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I have numerous times man in these threads talked about other WRs, other positions as possibility, other players and it is guys like you who are fighting having lengthy discussions about other players cause again if it’s not Thomas, Mitchell, or Legette it’s unacceptable. In your case you like Worthy too. Thats 4 players on this board that are acceptable picks at 28 for like 75% of this board. It gets tiring when you talk about someone else and people like you come around staring nope terrible investment, doesn’t fit the roster and while you may seem incredibly intelligent right now what if one of those 4 players doesn’t get picked and even worse another WR gets picked. Then you and everyone else is gonna look like an idiot on this board. You want me to invest, I would encourage you sir to to open up your mind of possibilities beyond 4 guys as there is a much stronger likelihood of them not being picked than there is and be open to other peoples ideas. I take the arguments as they come as well. I have never once said I don’t want a WR in round 1 but I think people do have a valid point that you can get 2 WRs in this draft starting in round 2 and another in round 4 and still consider that a significant investment as you put it. Fair?

Guess what man I don’t give a damn what you think of me. I like how you guys always tag each other like some gang of long term know it alls like I didn’t already quote the guy to make him aware I’m responding to him. I’ve been on this board since the early 2000s just cause I don’t spend my life on here doesn’t mean my opinion is less than yours.

The same 3 guys that get spewed here all the time. Thomas, Michell, Legette. Franklin and Coleman also fit that mold but the vast majority will tell you they don’t want them

So was the 2022 draft, hence why I brought it up. 6 WRs went in the first and 12 went in the first two rounds and I proved your point to be false in that. Sure you can look in hindsight and say it wasn’t as strong now but in 2022 it was considered considerably deep. Here is your list of 2023 1000 yards, whether they achieved it in their first two years and where they were drafted in their class. Tyreek Hill- Yes first two years , went in the 5th round Ceedee Lamb Yes first two years , 1st round Amon Ra St. Brown- Yes first two years 4th round Puka Nacua - Yes 5th round AJ Brown - Yes 2nd round DJ Moore- Yes 1st round Brandon Aiyuk- No 1st round Nico Collins- Yes 3rd round Mike Evans - Yes 1st round Amari Cooper- Yes 1st round Keenan Allen Yes 3rd Round Jamarr Chase Yes 1st Round Stefon Diggs- No 5th Round Michael Pittman- Yes 2nd Round Davante Adams No- 2nd Round Adam Thielen- No- Undrafted George Pickens- Yes 2nd Round Chris Olave Yes 1st Round DK Metcalf- Yes 2nd Round Justin Jefferson Yes 1st Round Davonta Smith - Yes 1st Round DeAndre Hopkins- Yes 1st Round Garrett Wilson- Yes 1st Round Chris Godwin- No 3rd Round Calvin Ridley- No 1st Round Adam Theilen- No Undrafted Jaylen Waddle- Yes 1st Round Terry McLaurin- Yes 3rd round There are actually 28 WRs who had 1,000 yard season: Out of those 28, 21 of 28 achieved 1,000 yards in their first two years(75%) basically proving if your good your most likely going to prove it in your first two years Out of those 28, 13 went in the first much like you said which is 36.4 % not exactly what I would call impressive for something to back up needing a 1st round WR Out of those 13 WRs that went in the 1st round Lamb went 17th, DJ Moore 24th, Aiyuk 25th, Evans 7th overall, Cooper 4th overall, Chase 5th overall, Olave 11th overall, Jefferson 22nd overall, Smith 10th overall, Hopkins 27th overall, Wilson 10th overall, Ridley 26th overall, Waddle 6th overall 7 out of the 13 went in the top 15 or 53%. The only WRs that wouldn’t have cost a ton for a trade up were Aiyuk, Hopkins, Ridley, Jefferson, Moore. 38%. Aiyuk and Ridley didn’t achieve 1,000 yards in their first two years. The only other WR on this list that was drafted near the 28th pick that had 1,000 yards was Michael Pittman at 34th. Every other WR was drafted 50 or later that went in the 2nd round 6 out of 28 1,000 yard WRs went in trade up range or slightly after the Bills pick at 28 or 21% If anything, statistically speaking, based on your own data, The Bills have a 21% chance of getting a 1,000 yard WR based on 2023 1,000 yard WRs. Just to be fair for the last statistic I didn’t include most 2nd rounders because they went before pick 60 besides DK Metcalf who went 64th. So this excludes Aj Brown, George Pickens, and Devante Adams. 10 of the 28 guys were drafted after pick 60 or 35% Now for your last point of it depends who your QB is: Of course it does to an extent but not entirely. Hill, Waddle, St Brown, Lamb, Nacua, Brown, Collins, Allen, Chase, Diggs, Smith, Ridley, Aiyuk, Jefferson imo and it’s my opinion got good to great QB play most of the year. McLaurin, Theilen, Evans, Godwin, Wilson, Adams, Hopkins, Pittman, Pittman, Olave, Pickens, Metcalf received inconsistent play imo again You’re talking to the wrong guy again brother. I’m not the one who said I can snap my finger and get a 1,000 yard WR by year 2 he did. Nor have I said we’ll get a star at any position. He’s the one who brought up 1,000 yard WRs. Watson doesn’t fit his criteria for his original argument so your point on Watson is null and void on this topic

You don’t seem to understand that my whole process is to make people think. HappyDays said that 27 WRs and 13 of them came in the first round this past year. I rebutted that WR play is highly contingent on QB play. I said that to him and he didn’t respond because he knew it hurt his argument at the time. Then when I responded that only 3 of 12 WRs have 1,000 yards on their first two years after he states that 1,000 yards shouldn’t be hard for a guy he rebutted with well most of those guys don’t have Josh Allen and a guy should easily be able to eclipse 1,000 yards( my original point). I then said if that is now his point than the Bills can be willing to wait until round 2 to get their WR. He talked out of both sides his mouth, used my original point, got caught and conveniently didn’t respond again. I’m not against WR in the first round. The whole idea of my post was to say it’s not as easy as snap your fingers and you have 1,000 yards for a rookie or 2nd year guy and most of the guys who achieved that were taken in the top 15 of the draft not in late round 1. Do you understand what I’m putting down yet or do I need to further explain it?

Most of these guys come from broken homes, poor, bad areas or all of the above. His story, while sad, isn’t unique unfortunately

I mentioned this exact point to you when your 27 WRs and half of them are first rounders argument was about so you could prove your point about taking a 1st round WR instead of another position. I said the exact same thing to you that having a QB who is above average makes WR play significantly better when I said those 27 most of them either had great QB play or were the only viable weapon on their team(Theilen) If your making my point now , that you brushed over then my argument would be well if we have Josh Allen with our offense than we can wait in a really heavy draft at WR waiting until round 2 and still get an impact WR.

I still think 1,000 yards in their 2nd year is lofty. We have a lot of mouths to feed and Kincaids market share is going to grow especially picking at 28. 2022 draft London-No Wilson- Yes Olave-Yes Williams- No Dotson- No Burks- No Watson- No Metchie- No Thornton- No Pickens- Yes Pierce- No Moore- No 3 out of 12 have hit 1,000 and only 1 would have been available Most guys who have hit 1,000 yards are guys who have gone in the top 15 of the draft. I went through others

Yea I watched his game against UB. I wasn’t surprised when he tested at 6’1. He was listed at 6’3 in the program and I was like no way at the game. He has good body control and he’s a very good hands catcher. He doesn’t really separate a ton from guys granted it was against an FBS team but he adjusts well to throws. I was disappointed in his height measurement as well as his slower time.He has really good other testing numbers but I didn’t see that explosion much like with AD Mitchell when you watch his tape. I think he could be a good boundary possession receiver with time. Would look best in a west coast system imo

I’ve always stated it’s a good year to get 2 WRs and agree we need some sort of size component with one of them. A guy that I really like as a big WR to take late is: JT Clarke WR UTSA- Dude is super talented at give or take 6’2 215. The reason why he won’t go is he’s a medical guy. 2 torn ACLs and an ankle will ward off a lot of teams but I really like him if he can bounce back. Take a look he’s literally not found on a lot of boards because he didn’t play at all in 2023 I also like the Janke(pronounced Yawnke) twins from SDSU but they have yet to test so I don’t want to put my stamp on them. They will on Wednesday

I liked Franklin early as a great fit for the Bills but his combine and body type turned me off to him. With that said, it’s clear the Bills have some level of interest in him with the private workout and meeting at the combine. I’ll never hate on a guy putting himself out there to be judged.

I get the need for a bigger WR. I also think there is very little chance that Brian Thomas and AD Mitchell are on the board when the Bills pick. I also think that the Bills not getting a 3rd round comp pick is going to hinder the possibility of trading up. That leaves Legette and even Gunner , who is a huge fan of him had readily admitted people in the industry don’t see him as a 1st rounder even tho he does. I see him as a late round 2 guy but had him going 43 in my latest mock. I just don’t think the 3 guys people constantly talk about are truly feasible options

I was being a smart ass man, let’s be frank you or I, or anyone else on this board have no idea what the Bills are going to do. You have no idea if they will take Malachi Corley or any other perceived slot or small WR. I also have no clue if they are only targeting big WRs. At least I’ve been willing to discuss all options both WR and non WR at 28 instead of pigeonholing myself to 3 human beings like 90% of this board has done. I was one of the first who brought up both McConkey and Roman Wilson who will both go around ish the Bills pick only to be told nope impossible. I sat here and talked about DT being a legit possibility which it still is in round 1 when Jeremiah mocked Jerzahn Newton but no one wants to have an open mind because it’s Brian Thomas, AD Mitchell or Xavier Legette or bust on this board

We’re not allowed to discuss anyone under 6’2 around here as an option for the Bills unless he runs a 4.21. Im making a smart comment. I think Corley is an option at 60 if the Bills pass on WR I’m well aware the Bills scout everyone. I know NFL scouts. I use to work for the UB football team when Leipold was there as a recruiting assistant/ offensive QC/ Video guy. I’ve coached at the college and HS level. Im pretty clued in to what does and doesn’t happen in the process.

This won’t fly with the too small slot only people

Oh no not Odell Beckham

It’s not a temper tantrum if it’s factual

I’ve always had Odunze as my # 2 WR in this draft. He won’t go ahead of Nabers and appears to be dropping. If he falls into the mid teens I start making calls for him

In your example of Diggs he only has two seasons of double digit TDs and 6 years of 1,000 yards. You’re also assuming that any WR is going to be a monster right off the bat which they will not be esp in his case. Legette, if he is going to be a bonafide all pro # 1 is going to take a couple of years to achieve that

Do you believe that Diggs being a cap hit at 28 million dollars with decreasing production as beneficial right now? I guess if you see it as a blip and he bounces back then yes. if you see his last half of the season and playoffs as a sign of things to come then it’s a terrible contract to have on the books

A class that has a bunch of guys who may or may not develop into starters is not a loaded class. It’s a class with depth. Maybe we just have different qualifications of loaded then. For example the 2022 draft imo was loaded at Safety with NFL starting quality safeties. Hamilton, Brisker, Cine, Cook, Pitre, Daxton Hill amongst others going in the first two rounds. Then you had guys like Kerby Joseph going in round 3. Then as the draft went along there was less developmental guys.

Right so it has depth but isn’t loaded with guaranteed guys. There are a lot of developmental guys in this draft. That’s what I said to you and you disagreed lol

No, I think you’re not looking deep enough into it. Again no one answers the question why a highly talented athletic freak struggled to see the field for 4 out of his 5 years. The only thing people point to was he was a HS QB. Well I just pointed out there are hundreds of examples of this and no one wants to rebutt besides well it’s clear you want to disagree. Can’t point to NFL talent, can’t point to a high level program at South Carolina. So it’s points to something else who knows but I lean towards struggles to process or learn a playbook since he’s so athletically gifted

So what took him so long if he was incredibly talented and smart. It’s not like South Carolina had a ton of NFL level talent in front of him. Juice Wells will be drafted but not much beyond that. People don’t want to answer these questions. There has to be some reason and it’s not he took a long time to learn the position because he was a HS QB. I would actually say and this is an assumption that he might lack intelligence to pick things up

People make this case. There are a lot of QBs in HS who transition to other positions. He’s not special or some outlier when it comes to this. There are 100s of examples of this