Bob in STL

I think the Bills have had many drafts worse than 2006. Beside Whitner, we drafted Kyle Williams and Brad Butler. All solid starters. Whitner had a better career than a whole bunch of the first rounders drafted after him that year. I admit the first round was not good but unfortunately, the Bills have done worse. 1 8 Donte Whitner, DB A controversial pick for many at TBD because most did not want to see a SS picked at #8. He played 157 games in 11 seasons, and started 152 of them. He made 2 Pro Bowls, one in the AFC and one in the NFC. His level of “badness” is more TBD legend than reality. There are so many bad or failed Bills first rounder’s - Whitner is not even in the top 20. 1 26 John McCargo, DT Total Bust 3 70 Ashton Youboty, DB No impact, not good. 4 105 Ko Simpson, DB Played a little and was not a good player 5 134 Kyle Williams, DT One of our best All Time players 5 143 Brad Butler, OT Solid Starter – injuries cut career short 6 178 Keith Ellison, LB Solid player, backup ,and ST 7 16 Terrance Pennington, OT Backup for a short period 7 248 Aaron Merz, OG No impact

Moody was quite good. Butch Byrd was also excellent. He was also an ALL STAR CB so we could barely spare to use him as a returner. Lets not forget Steve Tasker, sure hands and he always got some yards after the catch.

Whitner does not belong on this list. He was a decent player, as was Spiller, Just looking at first round: Mike Dennis, Al Cowlings, Tom Rudd, Tom Cousineau, Booker Moore, Phil Dokes, Perry Tuttle, JP Losman, Aaron Maybin, and EJ Manual. Some of these guys never played a down, and a few played so poorly you wished they hadn't.

Given a shorten season is likely, this year it makes sense to not have an international game. But I do understand your comments.

Agree. We could be going back to the days of Bills and Phins dominating the division, assuming Allen improves and Miami finds a QB, and especially if Bellichek retires soon.

Cancelling International games makes great sense at this time. I have a hard time seeing camp starting on time, but i have confidence that we will beat this virus. The whole league could be playing a modified schedule this season as a result.

Interesting and insightful. Thanks. I wondered why they didn’t keep.

I am not missing the fact that teams use two running backs. My point is whether you pick one at 54 or wait another round.

Games are won and lost on the field. Top talent is just one part of it. Preparation and execution are even more important. Let’s win the division and get home field playoff games before we jump to conclusions.

I picked Taylor. If Singletary misses any games this will be a great move. If he doesn’t miss games then we have a nice 1-2 punch for windy winter ground and pound in New Era. This combo will open things up for Diggs and Co.

Pick #54 is very important to the offseason. I think you need to get a player that can be a solid starter at some point - that would mean Edge/OLB, or OT, or CB would be in play. Drafting a RB or a WR is basically drafting a rotational player for now. We could really use another RB to compliment Singletary or another WR threat to eventually challenge for the #2. I’m glad Beane is handling this and not me.

In two seasons Beliicheck will be gone, and you will get your wish.

Right On! Best defense in the AFL in the mid 60's. Harry Jacobs at MLB, John Tracey OLB, with Stratton at OLB Butch Byrd and Booker Edgerson were the corners George Saimes - was an all AFL Safety. We also had Tommy Janik and Haygood Clarke back there. Cookie could have probably started at LB too if we needed it.

He made some errors but he did more things right, the important things. He outlived many of his contemporaries. Chris Berman did his HOF speech and was humbled and honored. That says enough about him all by itself.

All we needed to do win the first SB was to hand the ball the Thurman. They played a 3-2 defense with extra DB's in a zone to take away deep balls and the crossing routes. We ran all over them but it was just too late … our offensive coaches did not call a good game at all. It was easy to run out of the K-gun and we could have forced the Giants go back to their 3-4 which would of then opened up the passing lanes. We gave up 20 points. Our offense was never on the field and our defense was tired and worn. That was a contributor to all the missed tackles in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Blaming Jeff Wright is revisionist history and incorrect. We played 90% of the game exactly they way they wanted us to. We had the better team but Parcells and Bellichek completely outcoached our staff. That is why we lost.

The trading or cutting of Murphy seems to be a big topic. A healthy Murphy will be a real asset this year. I do not think they planned on losing Lorenzo, Shaq, Phillips and Murphy. I think Murphy stays.

Great post ^ It says something about drafting and developing WRs, which can be tricky. Teams are willing to trade for a proven #1WR, even with the upcoming WR rich draft.

The Bills as an organization are thriving. I never said the offense was, I am talking big picture. Can you think big picture? Stop dissecting my posts and making assumptions when I never said anything about the offense. I am talking about entire organization. The perception about Buffalo has changed for a lot of free agents too. Can you grasp this concept? So, The organizing is thriving under Beane/McD. I think it would be an error to replace them if Allen does not pan out. That is my answer to the OP. Finally, I did not say finding a QB would be easy, but “find another QB” is the reality show Allen nit be the answer. I don’t think Beane/McD are interested in past foibles by past regimes and I trust they would be better than most any of the execs we have had if they had to draft another qb.

The team is thriving right now and Allen is developing right now. If Allen does not make it then you find another QB. You do not get rid of Beane/McD because of it. Let Beane make the changes, which does not mean blow it up and start over. Beane’s body of work is more than Allen, although Allen is key because QB is always critical.

Yes. Beane and McD have been the 2nd most competent after Polian/Levy. You DO NoT get rid of them, they could actually win a SB. Allen was the best choice they had so no fault if he is not the man (I think he will be be). This team is thriving under Beane/McD. Keep it going!

I can see them drafting a developmental OT in later rounds. One with tools but needs coaching up and better competition. OR maybe they like a guy in round 2? I think they are banking on Ford improving. Why wouldn’t they? They traded up to get him. If not, then aTy starts. Someone mentioned the presence of Diggs. He will definitely help the OL by reducing the jail brake blitzing we saw.

Draft a fresh, strong, bruising RB to compliment Singletary.

I vote better on paper. Let’s see what they do. Phillips and Shaq both had good years and played well. Both were good in the locker room and represented themselves to the community very well.

Indeed. Kick coverage and returns are typically your biggest yardage swings with change of possession. It’s best to be good at this. Field position is important.

They are bringing in another character guy that they know. This guys can make plays when needed and is a ST stud. Worth a look.