Jerome007

You guys and your love of draft picks! A mere 3rd round for a superstar like Shady to go to a team in NOW desperation mode would such a bad trade! Get way more or keep the man! And the other players in that locker room would be quite dejected. It'd be the management saying "season's over, all for next year" but keep pushing through pain and injuries... Maybe the GM is tempted but I'm not sure the coaches are

Damn right. And even 2nd rounders... how many have been superstars? Shady is one, and who can be sure he really is finished because he's 30? Depends on what's his cap space if he stays next year, compared to if he isn't. I'd hate to see him go. He and Allen have obviously bonded for a while. At least for him to get back to Philly for a SB run is awesome but as a fan I'd rather he be part of the team. Is Ivory signed for more than this year? If so both of them can extend their careers by sharing the carries.

Yes. And he jumps high so easily. I mean we all know from the hurdle but just look at him.

Only true WTF moment of the game but it sure was one.

Seems to me if they are used as today, not only can Ivory and McCoy be effective, but it might make them gain one more year on their careers by sharing the load like that.

The inaccurate, or let's say, "erratic" part is concerning. The rest, damn, will you give him some time? He's a rookie. A rookie with less college experience than most rookies. These last ones he CAN learn with... EXPERIENCE. Only his 4th start! And he did have pocket awareness today. At least, he wasn't happy feet, running around for nothing like against the Packers. He didn't do much but wasn't asked to do much either. You guys thought Mariota looked so much better out there?

Players need to adjust... at least this year. Next time he - and the others - should basically hold him still till other players arrive as then the refs will blow the whistle. Dumb rule? Yeah but since it's there, adjust. Lesson learned but they should have actually practiced that. It's not in the Process?

In the Vikings game Josh played so well yet his stats were average as the WRs didn't do much. Today very little was asked of Allen and it worked - very little WR contribution again. There will be a time you need some pass plays! They need WRs more than the need OLinemen

True. But that wasn't one. Anyway, THIS should be the blueprint, and of course, as you imply, add to it with some deep throws, TE in the middle, trickery, etc. But they hadn't established their "identity" on offense yet. They did today. Defense they've had it since the 7th quarter of the season.

Props to the coaches. The Bills have obviously limited talent on offense, but both the offense and defensive game plans have been on. And they came to play, mentally ready. Nobody has given up on the season yet (except KB...). The coaches have been so criticized we also to give them credits when it's warranted. Daboll at last had many two back sets including the FB at times, short runs in the flat, even the WR screen at the end, checkdown outlets for Allen he rarely used, good mix of Shady and Ivory for the right situations, and so on. Weird that this wasn’t the basic offense TBH. I maintain there should ALSO be a few max protection plays with 2-3 deep routes to make use of Allen’s arm - and just the threat of this will keep defenses from crowding the line. Win or lose, this game looks like many of us expected the Bills to look. An above average defense that goes for turnovers like last year, with an offense that has to be run oriented because of its limitations. I just wonder if we’ll see the TE more involved at one point, and if Zay Jones will catch a pass before the 4th quarter ha ha Props to the special teams too. Punter botched that field goal but as a punter he has been good all year. Only one good return allowed (that was a nice TD saving open field tackle too)

Agrees! Fully. Otherwise, decent move. Daboll's genius playcalling or Anderson's limitations? Anyway, it's OUCH Palmer has his own successful business. Guys like that don't want to flush it all to work with one team and have to rebuild their client base all over after the team changes staff. Their pay by a team is not that great TOO btw. I know a super successful therapist and he mentioned that me. I talked to some of his peers, same thing. Just look at therapists, doctors, trainers, strength coaches that many players get on their own, in all team sports. But I'm sure Palmer could be hired for a few week stint...

I'm not sure I get this one. One vacation, it's time for fun and hobbies. I don't equate watching football with work. OK, maybe this year it hasn't been so fun to watch the Bills (doh!) but I get why he'd want to see it.

IDK why but he was wide open for at least 3-5 plays per year. That counts for something. Overall, it depends how good he was at blocking, really.

Indeed. When all units from the QB to the Line to WRs have issues, it becomes COACHING as the main culprit. Ha will you stop? Haven't you see Allen play like a superstar against the VIKINGS while his receivers still dropped passes?

I was in a sports bar and had to restrain myself to not attack half the room that was jeering and laughing. I was sooooooo sure it was a forward pass that I only got heated after the review.

Again I agree. But they have no track record for us to be confident they'll make the right choices. Anyway, I sure hope they do. But it's that, hope. And it might have taken me more time than others, and some of you aren't there yet, but all these years of losses, and now these blowouts and being currently the worst team in the league, it's too much. Hopes isn't very high, yet still there to torture us (doh!).

True. Same for 2020. But so far it seems we have very low confidence that they will indeed make the right draft picks and sign the good FAs. It can get better very quickly, but as the Browns have shown with YEARS of being the doormat, it is no guarantee. Most of us are tired of just living on hope. I didn't expect a Superbowl season, but I did't expect the Bills to be the doormat of the NFL either and get blown out 3 games out of 4! Even if the Bills hadn't made the playoffs last year and had been let's say 7-9, you don't expect them to be the worst team of the league the year after!

I have patience with Allen, contrary to a lot of people on this board. I see huge potential in this kid. Besides that, the blowouts are disgusting, period. 3 whoopings in 4 games! Bills are ranked LAST in "power rankings". Yes that's too much to take. So call it selective patience, and I'm out of it. I still think people whine way too much. Such as the "fire everyone crowd"," they didn't get Mahomes" (like they were the only ones!), and blablabla. But so much cap space for a guy like Star, not addressing the OLine or WRs, giving Incognito the shaft BEFORE his meltdown (unless they knew otherwise), unoriginal game planning by Daboll, and on and on. Damn. How much can we take as fans? It's the first time in years I'm losing my passion for the Bills and football. I didn't think the "kneeling" wouldn't affect me, and at first I thought it didn't, but it made the SJW angle and all that crap enter the sport, so yeah it might be the starting point of it all for me - and for many others I suspect. NFL football is like a tribal outlet for many of us, and this stupidity caused a big rift in the imaginary bonds we have with the players. Before Losman the Bills lost but were always in it, fierce competitors and all. Since it's been in spurts, and the super lows between the highs are getting to a lot of us. I never consider the Patriots games and such as automatic L like so many people on here. But all these blowouts, the Bills now being the NFL doormat, that's too much. Can the situation change quickly in the next 2 years with the draft picks and cap space? Absolutely! But it could also remain as bad if the management decisions don't pan out. (Almost) Out of patience. Almost out of hope I guess would be more exact. If not for Allen I'd come back when they are winning again, like the fairweather fans I usually despise.

I like it. And with Ivory and Shady, the Bills sure have a very strong 2 back duo. They ran that twice I think last game. Not nearly enough but before that it was zero. You mention the pass aspect in your post, but runs are good too. Ivory ran the ball in the middle and some of the defenders had taken the McCoy bait - and even Allen could run it so keep'em guessing. RBs and TE are stronger than WRs on the team anyway so mix it up! Edit: and people bag on DiMarco but he can be effective in the run game as a blocker and of course as a check down option. Of course on paper it all makes sense, but they have to drill it to execute it come Sunday. I love the horn idea!

After game 3 he was The Savior. After game 4 he is The Bust. People are so ridiculous. BTW he is the QB we have, like it or not. So why not indeed ease up on him so he keeps his mental outlook and have fun playing the game? It sucks for the OTHER players, especially the Vets, that this is the learning year for Allen. But folks, he is a rookie, a green one at that. Expect some growing pains. These are normal. What we have to see is how fast he adapts, learns, shore up some of his flaws. Calling him a bust already, damn. Again, read the title of this thread.

Exactly. So to be "taught a lesson" he should pay? And what about her? She deserves the money for what exactly?

It sure is ha ha

I really didn't see any, though sometimes on TV we don't see enough of the field. So yeah Allen and the center have to adjust protection but also the RECEIVERS have to as well with hot routes. When so many players do not do it, a good chunk of the responsibility falls on the coaches! Sweeps, roll outs, passes in the flat, reverses, runs, many ways to also counter it, get Allen in groove, save him from the pounding, make use of his talents. While he sure has the arm to lead a vertical style of offense, the rest of the staff on offense don't. So I hope Daboll doesn't repeat last week's game plan! And that they pick the blitzes better! Just that alone would be HUGE.

Here we again with people projecting Allen will be a bust by inventing scouting reports or focusing on the few bad ones. From what *I* recall, he was projected from a 3r rounder all the way to be the VERY FIRST PICK. Some say he went down to 7th because of his "rap lyric tweets" that contained the N word that came up just before the draft, some "experts" saying the Bills made a steal. And overall, while his projected ranking was all over the place, a general consensus placed him among the top 4 QBs with Mayfield, Darnold and Rosen. So... none of us know if he will be a a star, journeyman or bust yet. But stop saying the scouts were seeing him so dimly when it clearly was not the case. He was seen as the most raw for sure but still projected to go very high by most. "Experts" often have it wrong anyway but overall he had a very good reputation coming in.

I agree. I still don't get why, of all the players on the roster, the Bills had to offer Incognito a paycut while he had basically overdelivered on the football side. Since, he's clearly have become unfit not only for football but for normal life until he is taken care of.