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I heard some anti Allen guy on WGR claim that Wyoming took the ball out of his hands and ran it,even though they have a terrible run game. He said that points to the lack of trust in the QB. Whats the truth? His attempts do not lend to this theory,but I have no clue.

In another post I pointed to people who do not know enough about what a good QB looks like to make the mistakes you have. JP, Trent, EJ and Tyrod were not ever good QBs,they never were going to be good QBs.You fell in love with these guys,probably like your love for Rosen. You’re a fan, you want your QB to succeed,that’s normal. Youve applied past failures as your litmust test to the future results. I’m going to go opposite of what you have said because of your past, but now you’ve learned. You go by what you see,not because you’re a homer. So, what is it you see? Is it independent thought or are you listening to the clowns on sports talk radio? Give us something better than a 56% completion rate. The difference between 56% and 60% is minimal.

Really? He played for an awful team with awful players surrounding him. It’s surprising he accomplished anything remotely close to a winning record, 50% completions and didn’t have twice the interceptions. His team notably failed against better opponents. His line was truly a sieve. What points you to him being a 4th round grade,or anything but a first round grade? Its my understanding he’s smart and knows how to dissect defenses. This guy is fairly fluid,not the traditional mechanically sound QB,but fluid. Like most QBs that are under duress(him being under duress is an understatement) he forgets to be mechanically sound, doesn’t keep his feet towards the target and throws off the wrong foot. Guess what? Neither does Rodgers or Rothleisberger and a bunch of others. A lot of his so called accuracy issues have come because he was trying to carry the entire team on his back. He attempts a lot of throws he shouldn’t, he was trying to bring his team back in these games. Thats not a mechanical problem, that’s just who he is. That is a very fixable problem, especially with NFL coaching. Im sure the anti Allen faithful will post video of him missing a wide open target, but is that the constant? Doesnt every QB miss open receivers, and wildly sometimes?

Oh they’re serious. Its like the Patriots have casted spells on people. I cannot wait until they return to their rightful place in the AFC East, the doormat, just to discontinue hearing about them in every breath.

All ESPN talks about is basketball, and I love basketball. When a sports channel pimps Basketball and English soccer as their sports,you know they are in trouble. I believe Shurmur said what’s referenced. Fans know very little with respect to the QB position. The world is statistic oriented now and people believe in them as the truth. Fans, and I see it here all the time, regurgitate what they see or hear from fanrag types, Jeremy Whites and Mike Schoops of the world. “He has has a 56% accuracy rating” they say, therefore he’s inaccurate. It’s not the whole story here. There are variables outside of his control that created this accuracy argument. Listen to the one of the guys that knows him well,Jordan Palmer. The variables have been widely posted by many on this board but the brainwashed doesn’t comprehend. They are NOT wrong, they KNOW their QBs. They just knew J.P. Losman was a very good QB who was “ruined” by the Bills, EJ was “rushed to play too early, it ruined his career.” You just have to laugh at the excuses. A bad QB is a bad QB,regardless of timing. I love the way Allen throws and moves in the pocket. He looks like a real QB,finally. I hated the pick originally until I actually researched him. I too listened to the guys on ESPN and the Jeremy Whites of talk radio.

There were no good Russ Brandon times. I am from a family of salesmen and I know a scammer when I see and hear one. Russ sweet talked his way into Wilson’s heart, he never really cared about him, just wanted to become successful. When Ralph gave him a percentage of the team he hit the jackpot. A good salesman can scam their way into people’s minds,making them believe they are special. If you are not smart, street smart , you buy into being stroked by Russ. Look at Russ Brandon’s eyes. Small, dark, round and evil looking. There’s a correlation between facial looks and personality, eyes and personality. Its about time someone caught on to him. Having said the above, I’d hire Russ in a nano second and pay him whatever he wanted. That guy is a master marketer, a spin master. He sucked most fans into buying tickets. He schmoozed fans like he did to Wilson and his staff. You people bought into him hook, line and sinker. Glad he’s gone,Good riddance Russ. I hope these women sue the Bills and Brandon. Maybe he will have to relinquish some of the money he scammed from Ralph in the sale of the Bills.

Big Ferrgie fan, but I despised him hanging his head coming off the field. The kids of today would consider that a cutting offense. It was a whole different game back then. The league didn’t have to keep the fans interested through scoring. The generation after us was the video game generation. Got to see all memorable games,except comeback game. I had seats on the Bills side right on the 50 yard line 15 rows up. I bought them in the late 70s, when attendance wasn’t very good. Had them for 30 years until My family and I decided to hang out in Florida through most of football season.

No issue at all. There was was only one can’t miss QB in that class,Elway. All the rest had problems, just like this years class. Kelly had major shoulder surgery and there were questions of his recovery from it. Marino was said to enjoy coke,party boy and so on. That was an era when QBs were not protected,it wasn’t an offense oriented league and running games were of vast importance. So there wasn’t as much fascination with the QB position. It was very important but there wasn’t much press regarding it. Todays social media, and instant availability of news/sports shines a spotlight on athletes. Look at how people dissect a players every move.

Look at some of his game tape. He’s much more poised and polished. He throws a great ball and has great feet, both in and out of the pocket. This kid is way better than your above referenced clowns. He’s athletic. I threw **** (not literally)at my TV when we drafted Losman, I threw a bottle of beer at my nephews TV when we drafted Manuel (literally). I deferred throwing anything this year because I truly didn’t know much about Allen. He took a lot of hits to make plays because his line and receivers were utter garbage. He threw picks because of his line and receivers, forcing balls when games were out of reach. He has surprising elusiveness and speed for a guy almost 6’5” and 245 pounds. Check the tape. He doesn’t look like a college QB to me at all. I wasn’t a fan of his before but I am now.

Wow, you can really see his skill set in this game. He’s got great foot movement,slides around in the pocket and will throw it away when he has to. You can see how outclassed his team was in this game and likely most games. If he gets any time in the pocket he’s going to be great,IMO.

Allen should become a starter as well. WHEN is the question. I don’t believe he will sit the entire year.

Thats because no one was bidding against them.

Lol is right. Thanks.

Whats interesting is this year 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 66.7% completion percentage. If a player is inaccurate they normally remain that way. Not the case here. What happened in 2015 that was different? Coaching? Players? Different scheme?

Nice find. Conlan was a beast,if only he could have stayed healthy.

Excellent response by our new QB.

Where did you find Allen’s sub 60% completion numbers from high school and Junior college from? Is there a link to them.

Formal semantics. Are they good players? Who is a bust? Those guys who grade drafts are normally incorrect down the road.

Im pretty close to being as seasoned, my first time there was 1963. I agree with your assessments, all three. When I was in my late teens and early twenties I used to feel as that poster does now, then you grow up and realize it isn’t worth it. Theres no way to grade this draft right now. They are all ass hurt because they sucked down the koolaid served via guys on ESPN. Social media is creating monsters out of people and everyone is an armchair GM. I like the draft on paper.

He was trying to trade up with those teams to draft Allen, your alleged “our guys” were gone. Beane was concerned about other teams moving ahead of him. Arizona was reportedly trying to move up for Allen. It was rumored the Bills wanted Allen all along. What would have happened if he fell to Miami? The Ravens and Patriots were said to want a QB. That’s not panicking that’s going after your guy. You’re bitter because you wanted Rosen. I get it but my guess is Beane and his scouts did at least a year of due diligence. I think I’ll defer to their expertise until proven incorrect. Teams bittered on Rosen for some reason and the Bills were not the only team to pass on him. Lastly, they likely knew what Cleveland was doing prior to the draft. These teams talk to each other and it was no surprise,so why panic? Let it go, let’s see how Allen pans out.

Does anyone really think the Bills took Allen because the Browns(THE FRIGGIN BROWNS) supposedly put out disformation? Jesus, this is insane and the Browns are the team that predictably bungled their draft.

This is funny actually. Josh is after his job, now his woman. Non story. She’s friggin hot, A.J. and her know it. You’d have to not have a pulse to not think so,never mind a raging hormonal teenager.

Good post. People don’t realize how minimal those percentages really are and many factors are involved. Just listen to what Palmer said today on John Murphys show. Wyoming’s offense didn’t use many dump offs and bubble screens like the other QBs teams did. He pointed to the lack of separation by his receivers as well. He watched every game and calculated an average of dump offs and screens,calculating his accuracy percentage to be 62%. Myself,I wasn’t a big fan of Allen,but I have changed my mind now.

Does it matter his bias? Certainly teams checked his tape, watched in person and came to the same conclusion because he was being talked about in high regard. There are no area code misses in his repertoire.

Love this interview. He just explained Josh’s completion percentage. Watched all the tape because he thought it was very low for college. He came to two conclusions why. Wyomings offense didn’t predicate gimme passes,bubble screens,etc. And He didn’t have receivers who were open or wide open, unlike the other QBs offenses. Palmer said if Wyoming had employed those short gimmies and screens then he estimated Allen to be around 62% accuracy.