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It’s a terrible contract unless you think he’s still an elite back. I hoped Houston might have bit in a Clowney package. I suspect that may have been why we didn’t see the cut sooner. ive been saying for months he’s got to go because of it. It was common sense that you can’t pay him top 5 money for anything but elite production. Especially with a stable of serviceable players.

Most free agents worth trading later will come with cap ramifications. At this stage in building I’d generally say we need to max out spend on the roster not buy day 3 picks. if something doesn’t work out may as well get value though.

Because the competition moves slower and the windows are much larger in preseason you don’t need the arm talent. You surely don’t think the physical competition is the same throwing against... anyone... in preseason as facing all pros in a pivotal moment? I mean, I guess you could argue that in key moments he could learn just not to throw any big league throws ever.

What if the issue is his arm not his brain? Can I learn to be an nfl qb?

Maybe they already did this from 52?!?!?

Have you had a recent one? I feel like this conversation is whizzing past you even quicker than normal. i obviously understand why you wouldn’t play him on a practical level. I’m arguing you should just get him cleared and own the decision instead of holding off on testing so you can pretend to hide behind not being cleared.

No need to. And if if he was clear and sat last week that’s fine too! why fake him being in protocol, essentially, as some allege

Right. And because rookies are limited in pay, and don’t pick a team... it hurts my feelings less when they want to negotiate that second deal ASAP than when a guy has signed that deal and doesn’t want to play under it. Which still isn’t a huge deal but I get frustration there more

Yea. Those games. Just like he was clear and sat today.

So evaluate him and let him rest anyway? Why the need for games?

Yeldons a better RB, Murphy more versatile. I suppose it it depends if you trust the old men to stay healthy. I’d keep yeldon as a better insurance policy in what will be an important running game over the rare special teams impact plays

Its so strong it’s bordering on make believe though. I mean, really? He’s going to take him over just about anybody?

I’ve long wrestled with the debate between giving these guys absolute freedom (ie max money asap) vs structures to support them long term at the expense of up front cash. A bit of a “bleeding heart libertarian”(?) in that I think they should choose for themselves but think most 21 year olds are incredibly ill equipped for the choice and hate seeing them broke so soon. I support the freedom to mess up but some days my stomach is less equipped to watch it. Maybe auto-enroll them in some programs unless they opt out? The research on opt in vs opt out retirement savings has always been interesting to me.

And the nfl agreed to the terms he’s sitting under and you agreed to be a fan. he however was forced to play for a team he didn’t choose under terms he couldn’t really negotiate in a cba he didn’t negotiate... obviously not forced as he could go get a day job, but I tend to really give guys on rookie deals much more leeway than a vet sitting out after deal #2 that they got to negotiate fully

Colts season ticket holders really have had a roller coaster of emotions (and value) the last 10 years.

You might want to have a drink, or maybe drink less. That was a lot.

He’s got pretty much the best job in the world. Like 50th best QBs comes with a great paycheck, no expectations, tons of praise if you can not be a disaster for a few minutes every year and almost no injury risk. Show up and work out and be good on the white board and carry a smile and your a folk hero that’s top 10 paycheck on your team. More power to the guy if he figured that out

The flip side is hes 26. Tag plus a 6 year deal and he’s a cornerstone of the franchises refresh and costs little of their draft capital

Yea- you go get a normal job and own a house and car with few to no loans, right? That would have set set me up great for life as a 22 year old. I’m not saying he’s rich and never has to work. I’m saying he’s a college grad with a crazy amount of possibility at his finger tips with 6 figure wealth in his pocket. For real world life at 22 it goes a huge way to setting up a healthy prosperous life. He can go get himself a basic job and do FANTASTIC for himself with that head start. Not getting a yacht yacht and retiring but I can very quickly imagine the impact that zero student loans and a 6 figure bank account would have on my financial situation at 22. It’s a HUGE head start on most middle class folks

If I were 22 no student debt, and 200k in my bank account I’d be pretty well set up for life. He should generally live very comfortably. reality is I’d be unlikely to have been either frugal or studious though, if completely honest with myself

I’m a fence sitter on this one... as referenced, the millions, or even hundreds of thousands, if used wisely will set you up to be well cared for if you get a job post football. But the idea of buy of buy a modest house, cook dinner and drive a used car til you become an accountant at 26 isn’t reality for most in any meaningful sense.

How much of Clowney have you watched?

He considers them but just wouldn’t actually pull the trigger?

Why do we assume his tear down would be the same as his final moves on a rebuild? what was his interest in Antonio brown?

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