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Well most productive and best aren’t always the same. Sheer talent and pedigree it’s hard to top but will be volatile for sure and I don’t think the pats suddenly become run and gun on offense

Dude was traded mid September and didn’t finish the season and had 40 catches at 18.0 per catch. his career average is 17.4 and highest in the league I suspect walking into an offense hes familiar with will help with explosion as he will be working in a more complete playbook, more rhythm with Brady etc... as is he was on pace for a pretty darn good season despite being a mid season trade coming off a bad situation in Cleveland.

Im not sure we know whether Gordon will be impactful. He very well could return to form. He’s 28.

Its always been the case and is pretty darn rare to see happen Which im sure they’d gladly do if they had evidence of colluding. Seems odds are he knew they offered a first and would likely be interested given their past history.... anything more is very hard to prove I’d guess

It’s got immense potential but also could quickly turn among the worst. It’ll be an entertaining story line almost certainly

Which I pretty explicitly acknowledged. To say he lost the money is probably not ideal as for all we know he might make more under his new circumstances. He definitely shifted risk towards himself in exchange for more control though. The flip side is, he’s got tens of millions of dollars- if he for whatever reason hated Oakland and wanted to be in New England... there’s little in his life stopping him from saying “f it, let’s make it happen” its hard to relate to as a a bunch of guys that likely mostly need their jobs but I’m sure most of us have had the day dream before when walking out after a bad day at work.

He just got 60% of his pay for this year up front and can still earn the rest and then becomes an unrestricted free agent. if healthy and engaged he will have lost a good bit less than that

That most contracts wouldn’t have voided the guaranteed money allowing him to be cut.

So essentially the same pay this year, but much more up front money he does risk losing cash next year though

Him and Gordon have potential to be their best pair in Brady’s career. Or most catastrophic.

I’ll give the marketing team credit on that - it was a fun one

The video suggests he knows completely well that he might not play again and if he does he wants to do it on his terms fully. Which doesn’t play well in the nfl obviously but i guess when you have F off money, I guess you can tell people to F off if you want

Once the contract was non guaranteed it takes only so much

It was good and the backlash seems overstated... but the wild appreciation seems to likewise be a lot of pent up frustration and not necessarily a true reflection of the quality. It it wasn’t a bad set or anything. Just don’t think it deserves the extremely polar criticism or fawning

Id not lock into bills wideouts as the only two options probably if forced to pick one, likely brown

Or if brown didn’t particularly want to be in Oakland so he took a deal that the team would be able to void based on his planned behavior any team would take the contract terms for 53 players. That brown agreed is the surprising part. Especially given his blatant violations immediately after signing

They haven’t paid him any money yet! It’s an unbelievable structure if pft got it right.

I mean, I’d expect them to look at last year but also extrapolate a projection based on the last 6 months of sometimes drastic change to units

Id normally agree but some of those stretch far enough that you may call them performance bonuses and not simply default language. It doesn’t take egregious behavior to void the money if a missed practice can void everything. Many contracts have no voiding language, it’s not uncommon to see arrest/suspension as the threshold though. To see any absences void it is to my knowledge incredibly rare. Given browns mindset that’s perilously close to non guaranteed and I think most agents would tell their clients such. the guaranteed signing bonus being split across 2 years based on 85% participation is not up front cash in hand, it’s a work out bonus, for instance, to cover some of the mischaracterizations of the deal

If you read the link suspension isn’t the threshold. Any missed practice can void it.

I’ll admit, if that pft article is true, it’s about as close to no guarantees as I could imagine for an erratic guy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/05/antonio-brown-may-end-up-getting-no-payment-at-all-from-the-raiders/ holy jesus that’s a train wreck of a contract he signed. I’ll tip my cap to the raiders if this characterization is true as he might have zero guaranteed dollars at this point. That an unexcused practice absence may void $30m in guarantees seems absurd

I believe you are correct but don’t know that factually. Technically it would just be rare that a young UDFA or cut player gets a massive deal quickly - but once out of that original rookie contract for drafted guys I think you can pay them whatever for however long. Anyone good just wouldn’t clear waivers so you can’t game the system with it

Ten times was obviously an offhand remark to make the point of significantly better. It’s not bizarre or weird. I didn’t work up some metric or anything - heck it wasn’t even directed at brown in that example. I could have just as easily put substantially better in my made up salesman example that I brought up as that’s probably the closest most on this board get to an atmosphere where people’s production ties incredibly close to their compensation and privileges in the workplace. The dude is expected to be their elite playmaker. They knew who he was as a human and brought him in and made a major commitment to him despite that. Now they get to choose whether they want to use discipline to change who he is as a person, or simply babysit him through 18 months and let him be a playmaker on Sunday that doesn’t contribute much outside that. When they acquired him they should’ve been ready for the latter. The only way you fine him is if you are trying to discipline him completely off the team, frankly, as this continues to get worse not better under that approach. If you are doing that before his first snap you done messed up badly in the decision in the first place as you didn’t have the stomach to take on the guy and it’s not a shock to anyone to see who he is

First up- there are 32 locker rooms and I will say every last single one of them treats all pros different than practice squad players. You can argue all day, you’ll never change my mind. It’s a matter of how wide the gap is - not if there’s a gap. He’s on a 3 year 50 million contract and cost draft capital despite them knowing his antics. If they don’t think he’s their elite weapon than the whole front office should turn in their keys and leave the building today for giving a headache that kind of leverage without expecting substantially better play than the alternative. So you can nit pick how many multiples in my 10x the player remark but for Oakland’s sake I surely hope they think it’s a noteworthy gap. and i have to ask - what in holy hell is with 2 of you now bringing up guys producing “more than half” his yardage. Since when is that ever a meaningful metric? It’s such a bizarre comment to see twice now. Joe flacco produced more than half Tom Brady’s yardage but we are both cognizant enough to realize John brown wasn’t playing with near the qb last year ?