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It’s quite the argument you make. Quite the argument. That if cherry picking a timeline that includes tyrells best season that occurred 3 years ago his stats are more than half what brown produced is not particularly compelling to dissuading me from my overall point But for entertainments sake, if writing off my totally arbitrary 10x statement that was meant to indicate simply that he was substantially better, what multiple would you assign to browns ability comparatively?!? Is he more like 1.7x the player? 2.4x?!? ?

3 of his last 4 with flacco were 28 yards or less. If you didn’t know the qb change date, you would’ve been hard pressed to guess the week looking at browns game log.

They already decided to employ him and commit heavily to two seasons with him. Once youve made that decision you have to figure out how to maximize. I’m sorry but few of our day to day jobs come with an office that shares a guy getting $30m guaranteed so I don’t think standard issue HR stuff translates apples to apples. But if your top sales person brought in ten times the second best and the majority of your revenue he probably gets to make his own hours. Especially if you hired him from the competition for a huge contract knowing he came in late and liked to golf on Friday afternoon. If you want to write him up for that and withhold commissions you probably shouldn’t have brought him on in the first place

Im thinking the past record of teams trading for high maintenance guys and being strict vs treating them as short term sideshows that you just keep between the ditches for 18 months favors the latter approach. You baby sit him and hope he shows up on Sunday if you pick up the guy. if you are making the decision to get that guy - your making a decision to put up with some nonsense. At this point they are knee deep in a major commitment that’s fast unraveling. That’s not defending brown. It’s accepting reality that a GM isn’t going to suddenly change him as a human being and you knew what he was before getting him.

I’d advise any team picking up a guy like brown not to take a super hard line stance on things. You got who your getting and you deal with the antics. Getting into a faceoff with a crazy man certainly doesn’t max his value.

I mean i did acknowledge that, just think it’s lazy of a lot of reporters to simply say his pace fell when the change was made and characterize it as him otherwise being on track for a huge year. 43 yards in 8 quarters is 10% of Flacco’s passing yards there. For a sometimes streaky player I think it’s fair to acknowledge that he was hot and cold even before the switch. Hopefully we get a full season of his September and I’m optimistic on him.

Foster, brown and Allen have potential to REALLY stress a defense and force them to defend a ton of turf. There’s no sitting on a WR or rolling a safety or... Allen can hit them both over the top down the sideline, or take off himself. There’s no back side of the play or cheating. Every snap they have to go sideline to sideline for about 70 yards from snap to whistle if foster can step up opposite brown. He has potential to be a major wild card in the equation.

For sure- and wasn’t so much a knock on beasley. Lately ive been on a bit of a kick with finding what people are good at and embracing that instead of focusing toooo hard on fixing the flaws. In football terms see investing in Charles clay to get Tyrod to throw over the middle as a flop of that... on some level, heck, Allen has a huge arm and likes to start deep in his reads- let’s embrace it with a lot of deep routes and big weapons acquired for that and let the rest come along naturally as he figures it out. Beasley’s a good security blanket But probably the slow ramp guy for me while brown should be relatively instant

Point flew right by you if you think that’s what I was trying to say. 4 of his last 5 with Flacco were not particularly good and his last two were 6 catches for 43 yards as a combined total. A lot of people seem to quickly point at the qb change, or scheme change if you want to be argumentative over a point I dont much care about. My point is he’s been a streaky player and he had a really hot start to the season and trailed off over a month prior to the switch, minus 1 game.

Browns been inconsistent but at times excellent. Ill say say I think blaming Jackson is unfair as he had multiple rough outings to end with flacco... though Flacco obviously wasn’t stellar or he’d have that job still. If brown is healthy all year and allen steps up- we could have a good pair. I’m more excited about their potential than the beasley addition even though it seems to get a bit less attention

Gurley, marshawn... don’t recall if gore was getting $$$ across the niners runs. I don’t recall Jonathan Stewart’s salary but he was pretty established and I think paid in the top 5 or so problem with these questions is the patriots throw them wildly out of norms.

I’m sure it’s frustrating that every argument you’ve made hasn’t actually been backed up by the data in the way you expected them to be. I’ll take top 8, bottom 8, and middle 16 buckets and say he probably had 1 top, 1 bottom and 2 middle seasons. I struggle to put 900 yards or 3.97 ypc as “top 7” performances like you have. The 900 yard seasons probably right on the fringe without doing a deep dive. The 3.97 as a guy that’s not a short yardage back simply is not a great year. He’s been a good back... at times great... but of the bell cow guys he’s been outside the elite group 3 out of 4 years. I suspect beane agrees with me and not you. If he was a top tier guy 3 out of 4 years I think he’d be finishing out the contract but it’s been a couple years since he’s been that guy reliably

Just last year, in addition to zeke, saquon was in the 30s, mccaffrey was there. Gurley was just shy of 30 and did it in just 14 games. Mixon was about 30. Kareem hunt was before his getting derailed. Kamara was 26+ like I said, in his best season with us he was that kind of guy. There are more backs doing it than you think though. For him to be up there 2 out of 4 years and one of those being a large volume 4.0 ypc season... he was a good not elite back for us

Ive said he was good but am discussing related to top 5 pay. 4.0 ypc isn’t awesome, especially at that pay scale. His 4th year you left off for obvious reasons. Youve decided on a narrative and keep changing the supporting arguments as I bring up the data. His rushing yards don’t tell it cause he was a great receiving back. His receiving stats don’t tell it, it’s percentage of offense. His percentage of offense doesn’t show it, he’s just awesome. 900-300 certainly wouldn’t be at the top of the list for percentage of his teams offense produced. Neither would last year. His best year here would count as excellent. he was a good back for us. He was not a zeke or other elite producer for us.

I would guess even that assertion is probably a little overstated He really was middle to late in the pack for production and so was our offense. I’d guess if you did the math he was rarely at the very top of the charts. Maybe in his best year but 2 of 4 weren’t particularly good at all.

Well, that’s kind of my point. If he’s good you still have 3 years of control on a yearly option. Committing to 2020 now to preserve control in a 4th season seems unneeded

Total receiving yards tell similar stories. That we had bad pass catchers means he stood out among peers in buffalo but not in the wider world of running backs. 2018: 28th among backs 2017: 9th 2016: 14th 2015: 24th we paid him as a top 5 back. He played as a good back but more middle of the pack. That’s why he’s no longer playing on that contract. He wasn’t a flop but he wasn’t elite

Those signs are awful

A 4 year 34m contract and traded kiko for him... half his seasons under 1000 yards and half 4.0 or fewer ypc... i like shady and think we came out better paying him than kiko but I waffle on his time here

Meh. You probably won’t like the 2021 bills in that case as tre, josh and tremaine likely will be on even bigger deals. If if they are game changing stars, it’ll be great. If it’s dak, maybe less so.

They are essentially tagging him a year early to preserve being able to use the tag in 2022. call me crazy, but I’d rather just tag him for real next year if you really want him.

Its a star driven league- we will see if Allen is a star.

As a road division game it’s big in a ton of tie breakers and tone setting. its not the end of the world to lose but sweeping the jets and fins would be huge in playoff implications

This will be a bad contract that haunts

I think it was just a fake reverse and he simply spun out of getting killed