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For sure- and wasn’t so much a knock on beasley. Lately ive been on a bit of a kick with finding what people are good at and embracing that instead of focusing toooo hard on fixing the flaws. In football terms see investing in Charles clay to get Tyrod to throw over the middle as a flop of that... on some level, heck, Allen has a huge arm and likes to start deep in his reads- let’s embrace it with a lot of deep routes and big weapons acquired for that and let the rest come along naturally as he figures it out. Beasley’s a good security blanket But probably the slow ramp guy for me while brown should be relatively instant

Point flew right by you if you think that’s what I was trying to say. 4 of his last 5 with Flacco were not particularly good and his last two were 6 catches for 43 yards as a combined total. A lot of people seem to quickly point at the qb change, or scheme change if you want to be argumentative over a point I dont much care about. My point is he’s been a streaky player and he had a really hot start to the season and trailed off over a month prior to the switch, minus 1 game.

Browns been inconsistent but at times excellent. Ill say say I think blaming Jackson is unfair as he had multiple rough outings to end with flacco... though Flacco obviously wasn’t stellar or he’d have that job still. If brown is healthy all year and allen steps up- we could have a good pair. I’m more excited about their potential than the beasley addition even though it seems to get a bit less attention

Gurley, marshawn... don’t recall if gore was getting $$$ across the niners runs. I don’t recall Jonathan Stewart’s salary but he was pretty established and I think paid in the top 5 or so problem with these questions is the patriots throw them wildly out of norms.

I’m sure it’s frustrating that every argument you’ve made hasn’t actually been backed up by the data in the way you expected them to be. I’ll take top 8, bottom 8, and middle 16 buckets and say he probably had 1 top, 1 bottom and 2 middle seasons. I struggle to put 900 yards or 3.97 ypc as “top 7” performances like you have. The 900 yard seasons probably right on the fringe without doing a deep dive. The 3.97 as a guy that’s not a short yardage back simply is not a great year. He’s been a good back... at times great... but of the bell cow guys he’s been outside the elite group 3 out of 4 years. I suspect beane agrees with me and not you. If he was a top tier guy 3 out of 4 years I think he’d be finishing out the contract but it’s been a couple years since he’s been that guy reliably

Just last year, in addition to zeke, saquon was in the 30s, mccaffrey was there. Gurley was just shy of 30 and did it in just 14 games. Mixon was about 30. Kareem hunt was before his getting derailed. Kamara was 26+ like I said, in his best season with us he was that kind of guy. There are more backs doing it than you think though. For him to be up there 2 out of 4 years and one of those being a large volume 4.0 ypc season... he was a good not elite back for us

Ive said he was good but am discussing related to top 5 pay. 4.0 ypc isn’t awesome, especially at that pay scale. His 4th year you left off for obvious reasons. Youve decided on a narrative and keep changing the supporting arguments as I bring up the data. His rushing yards don’t tell it cause he was a great receiving back. His receiving stats don’t tell it, it’s percentage of offense. His percentage of offense doesn’t show it, he’s just awesome. 900-300 certainly wouldn’t be at the top of the list for percentage of his teams offense produced. Neither would last year. His best year here would count as excellent. he was a good back for us. He was not a zeke or other elite producer for us.

I would guess even that assertion is probably a little overstated He really was middle to late in the pack for production and so was our offense. I’d guess if you did the math he was rarely at the very top of the charts. Maybe in his best year but 2 of 4 weren’t particularly good at all.

Well, that’s kind of my point. If he’s good you still have 3 years of control on a yearly option. Committing to 2020 now to preserve control in a 4th season seems unneeded

Total receiving yards tell similar stories. That we had bad pass catchers means he stood out among peers in buffalo but not in the wider world of running backs. 2018: 28th among backs 2017: 9th 2016: 14th 2015: 24th we paid him as a top 5 back. He played as a good back but more middle of the pack. That’s why he’s no longer playing on that contract. He wasn’t a flop but he wasn’t elite

Those signs are awful

A 4 year 34m contract and traded kiko for him... half his seasons under 1000 yards and half 4.0 or fewer ypc... i like shady and think we came out better paying him than kiko but I waffle on his time here

Meh. You probably won’t like the 2021 bills in that case as tre, josh and tremaine likely will be on even bigger deals. If if they are game changing stars, it’ll be great. If it’s dak, maybe less so.

They are essentially tagging him a year early to preserve being able to use the tag in 2022. call me crazy, but I’d rather just tag him for real next year if you really want him.

Its a star driven league- we will see if Allen is a star.

As a road division game it’s big in a ton of tie breakers and tone setting. its not the end of the world to lose but sweeping the jets and fins would be huge in playoff implications

This will be a bad contract that haunts

I think it was just a fake reverse and he simply spun out of getting killed

I wasn’t nervous before but when you say it like that...

I’m not advocating for him but it seems some of these guys think McCoy was our worst back, since he was released and all

Almost 2 years might be a bit much for a 10 month guy

I don’t think we ever had 5 plus a fb

To be fair, the next 2 seasons are supposed to be our prime window. If Allen is the dude, it COULD sneak up fast.

Yup. I think you can argue tre is there but Edmonds, Allen, Oliver, would be the keys. With Oliver, Hughes befitting with a top season is another. The potential is there though

Unfortunately we had the back end depth but are missing a few of the elite guys they have. Hopefully a few dudes step up and show they are those players though.