NoSaint

For you to be down on a receiver is worrisome!

I think the big thing to remember is that he flopped half the season, all preseason and most of his college career. You’ve got to wonder if the light suddenly came on or if he’s just a guy with great gifts that only occasionally come together. He just doesn’t have the long term track record to inspire the confidence that some had here. He might be excellent or he might be a decent 4-5 depth guy that you hope you can work in occasionally but not rely on consistently

Was my initial thought too, but was sharing commentary from those that drive this road. They seemed to think likely the other way for some reason (a handful of folks)

Most teams 5/6 through about 8 are pretty interchangeable. That’s like 100 dudes to fill 50 spots and 50 available for free mid season with limited drop off. It makes for one of the easiest august roster battles for fans to get into annually but also often one of the most meaningless as if you cut a guy that gets signed there tend to be plenty of interchangeable pieces

Feels like a vet wanting to skip camp as much as anything that and the guy is crazy

He’s had a few duis - which you hate to wonder about. From what I read this is a pretty death defying road but happened at a particularly straight shot with a light that some Texans are speculating he may have ran. That being blind speculation from folks that drive this stretch.

I’d probably have ridden this out further but don’t know any behind the scenes. Possibly not an option. A viable CB is nice to have in your back pocket in case a couple go down early. There are only so many good ones on the street mid season. You don’t IR a guy who’s healthy two preseason weeks later You don’t eat a spot on IR

They practiced together. And all are Nfl players. I’m not sure first time ever seeing a 34 this year (amusing phrasing, context aside) is that relevant. Its a good panthers front and bills we’re missing pieces. Plus it’s training camp. It’s also preseason. For all we know he’s trying out some techniques or a new style of shoe. I doubt he suddenly forgot to kick but if he’s missing them with messaging that his jobs at risk I’d be more worried than he’s missing then simply in a practice setting like this.

If he doesn’t get the full guarantee for a career ending injury that occurs in a team activity, when exactly do you think he would? If cleared by docs and still hangs them up it’s different but in the unlikely situation that he never passes the tests of course we are on the hook. I don’t think independent doctors get to judge that it’s preseason and not the playoffs. If he passes the tests they can gladly not play him for a few more weeks but the doctors should not and hopefully are not gaming their diagnosis based on it being camp.

Not if he’s medically cleared and retires.

To be able to run a scout team mimicking various opponents for us is probably bigger than ability to win a game himself

He very much could’ve given the relevant info and linked for more instead of a multi paragraph teaser. In fact he likely included enough to violate terms, while still not sharing the info. Worst of both worlds.

To be fair to fitz - he was like 19th highest paid and 18th in rating(?? Plus or minus a spot or two on each??)

Lee Smith has 4.5 mil guaranteed. So I hope not. i think it’s simply the fight for 6 and those two have the best tracks. Then throw one on the practice squad. Though I’m not sure any are that helpful there or hard to replace. i think my squad likely carries depth at safety, lb, corner, dL, TE, OL and rarely WR

Bingo. you see it with the eagles/chiefs/rams/bears now. And in our own qb class the browns and jets (mixed opinions on some of the players but loading up for a run and seeing the browns talked about as being in the window) those teams will likely age into either the 9ers (missed at qb) or Seahawks (hit at qb) as examples of what the next era looks like. regardless you load up now and make that run and then age into the next phase accordingly.

Point is if you have that QB you take advantage of the 4 year window and then transition to a different team building model after. Nows the phase where where you get some extra vet talent on contracts that’ll be on there way out as you pay Allen/Edmonds, if they are the guy. i don’t get why so many posters think that a team with a 40 year old HOF qb and a rookie contract qbs will model their finances of the other 52 positions the same way.

As a vet if he made the week 1 roster it’s guaranteed anyway.

I’m not sure either but if we aren’t on the verge of this now, it makes me less confident that we have the right guys... if that makes sense. It shouldn’t be year 4 of the regime and 3 of the qb that playoff contender becomes a thing as then you only get a 1 year shot at the cheap qb super bowl run.

If you believe we have the coach and qb, I’m not sure even a 1 is off the table for most high end guys. Few points: 1) that pick is hopefully late in the round 2) the guy we get at, say, 20 is likely not an immediate game breaker at DE. If we wait til next year to get a guy ready the year after... 3) we have the cap space to buy immediate impact 4) it’s going to cost. Mack is a better player but look at that package. Or amari Cooper. A young impact player that’s proven nfl worthy can be a good deal even with a one

I think that’s why you see many of us in the Clowney thread saying now is the time to push in the chips and edge rush is a need. I’m not in love with clowney but he’s the closest to available option so he gets some noise around him. if a top 15-20 edge rusher or pass catcher comes loose, I’d have very few pieces held off the table to secure them. He counts in that.

I think you’d be hard pressed to come up with a worse situation than what we created for Allen last year. id also say a WR group of Sammy, woods, Goodwin, and still taking swings at guys like harvin, and mike Williams wasn’t exactly throwing their hands up. Their was a stretch where we had invested multiple 1s, a 2, a 3 and some low round picks in addition to free agent targets (or guys like clay). Your ex can do no right and the new girl does no wrong when you are in the honeymoon phase. Who knows, this could be the one... but definitely some fans caught up in the lust for getting some new.

I was neither truly comparing the two or using real numbers. I think you got caught in the trees and missed the forest with my last post they can all make tough throws sometimes. Doing just a tiny bit better can be the difference between a bust and hof

The big thing is most of these guys can make the individual throws if they go early. EJ could certainly capable of winging a 20 yarder accurately at least on occasion the problem is can Allen make that throw 70-80% of the time throwing into a tighter window with more pressure or does he slide down to 50-60% because under pressure because his mechanics or decision making are effected. Tbd over the course of a season. But I like seeing them being worked on here with some success!

If we trade for a solid WR my take could quickly change. On just about any position the same carries true.

Yes. Would you really rather have ray ray getting 50+ snaps a game as an outside receiver? Or Roberts? If beasley is in the slot, who are your two outside receivers if brown misses games?