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You either cut him, or let him sit on IR just like you can be fired but not forced to retire.

I’d be curious the math on this: sammys 4th and 5th year, and 2 years of Dareus vs 2 years of Benjamin, Starr AND the dareus dead space.

I’m not normally one to think twice of around the league news being out of place but a PS guy 2 years ago signing as camp fodder is a stretch for a thread

Agreed. especially given his position though, I do worry quite a bit about this one though. 4 reported and who knows how many times his bell has been rung without getting caught. given his history, his contract, etc... even if he still starts week 1 this is probably right up there with the most concerning injuries we could see for in camp At a quick glance.. Looks like earliest realist out would be after 2 years with it ending up a 2 year 27-28m type of deal with 5.5m in dead money left behind hopefully does not become a real discussion though.

To get film for another opportunity?

To be fair, he had under 30 yards in 3 of his last 4 with Flacco. The stats trailing off might not be solely Flacco getting hurt but also in part him being a streaky player that had a really good September We definitely have some wildcards in the group but I’ll echo the sentiment that unless a few guys play better than they previously have or put 16 games together at their peak levels... it’s still a weak point but at least nfl caliber this year even if not great. i do hope foster plays like he did down the stretch, brown does like he did out of the gate and Allen shows he can turn a weakness into a strength with Beasley... but it’s a lot to expect all of those to hit. Could happen though

All he said is he was the starter last year and will hold that spot until dethroned. It’s an endorsement but not an insane one. It’s in a lot of ways commentary on their philosophy as much as the player

I picture josh hiding in the restroom during the exchange

From the article: Meanwhile, Rosen showed some of the potential that had the Arizona Cardinals trade up to the tenth-overall pick in 2018 to select him. Tight spirals with some pretty touch led to multiple touchdowns during the practice. Getting some extra first-team snaps after Fitzpatrick was forced to run following the botched snap, Rosen took advantage. That is not to say Rosen was perfect on the day, throwing a couple of inaccurate passes and having at least one interception, but it was clearly the potential quarterback-of-the-future’s best performance, and it was the best performance among the quarterbacks on Saturday. Agreed. Love him or hate him, his career path will be so jacked up it’d be shocking if he actually hits his potential and in the nfl you don’t succeed at qb unless you maximize it

Yup - if you can convert “and short” situations a little better and maintain a 4 minute offense, it’s big... but ultimately it’s not a ground and pound league. It is helpful in controlling some key situations though

Right but with an unconventional running style you have to take a different approach. Which someone will have to help coach him on. Which is kind of the point here.

Which depending on what you think of the guy miiiiight help the case for it being accidental or tainted items and not straight up injecting steroids

Yea it’s neither high, nor terribly risky. The angle looks worse than it appears to really be. And the angle doesn’t look bad either, if you don’t live in bubble wrap daily. The drive there was probably more dangerous than this particular jump. Fall on your head often? im starting to make sense of some things now ?

I think we are an up and down team still. I think the gap between us and most of them is small for the most post. Even if you think we are 70% odds to win any of those, that’d make us 7-3 in that 10 game stretch without thinking any team is better than us.

Even if they are favored against all those I don’t think they are steady enough a team to win all those.

Lets be real- you could give me a photo lineup with 5 guys, 3 of which being non starting WRs for this team and it’d be dumb luck if I choose a bill yet alone Ray Ray our if the group

I’d agree polarizing is hyperbole but he’s anything but settled. If he’s 2-6 and 52% completions with pretty even TD:int in October, it’ll get pretty polarized quickly.

If they put another ring on, a championship and couple middling seasons would still be far better than average (ie at least 15 teams better). If just evaluating the 2022 season, I’d agree it’s a long shot for them to be top tier. I don’t hate Allen but any questioning of him gets pretty aggressively shouted down. So I tend to stay out of it. I think hes he’s got all the tools but still a coin flip on whether he’s the guy and don’t have much desire to argue about him being at a crossroad and qb development being rather fickle and unpredictable at this stage (IMO) hes likable, and I wish him well. I don’t think many want to tear the guy down even if they have concerns.

Not arguing with you on this so much as pointing out the asinine nature of the jets position in mentioning how thoroughly set the precedent is... has any top 5 guy not gotten this deal? If they are unwilling to sign the standard format contract for that pick, one might suggest trading back, right?

Yes, but when the guy at 4 gets it, who is being unreasonable? should he also accept a fully incentive based contract instead of the guaranteed dollars everyone around him gets?

He thought he blew the play and was at least saving a TD. The irony being the flag coming out creating 1st and goal under a minute and tied... I’d bet statistically speaking that giving up a TD and getting the ball is better than letting them run out the clock with a chip shot 20 yard fg to win it as time runs out. He made a series of terrible choices and got totally bailed out saints had had plenty of chances to win, but the gravity of this bad call erased a couple other really big no calls down the stretch that were game changers too.

I mean, I doubt you say the same about white dudes, generally. I’m not pretending you are the devil for it but I think it’s probably rooted in prejudice even if unintentional. We’d all be better off with “ugh, yea I probably stepped in it there” and moving on instead of the extreme “I could never be racist” vs “im going to ruin your life for an offhand and pretty innocuous comment” approach that’s so common these days

Theres nearly nothing to be negotiated on the upside unless he wants more money than #2. Which means any back and forth is VERY likely the jets trying to short him guarantees which may be a coach that didn’t want him trying not to be tied to him.

I don’t disagree with most of that. But boy was that about as bad a call as possible. Just awful. It didn’t ruin my year or anything but on a practical level you hate to see one so blatant in such a big moment. One thing that does stick with me though is that I’m quick to point out humanity of the officials and that a bang bang play at a weird angle can be incredibly tough and perfection can’t be the expectation... this one felt like “I’m not throwing a flag no matter what” and I dislike that. I’ll stomach “if I’m not positive I’m not calling it,” but this felt even past that, and should’ve had consequences for the officials.

While I widely agree... the stakes in a moment like that for a multi billion dollar industry are much more than just a game. It’s always a weird balance between the two. If the titans tossed the ball 8 yards forward and it was the AFCCG I suspect the reaction would be different. It just wasn’t even in the proximity of a borderline call.