NoSaint

the debate would be is the 3rd-4th best outside receiver better than the best slot? Almost always the outsider guy will win out they had a standard card of all starting players. Unfortunately, he’s considered their 3rd corner which is an awkward quirk.

And I’ll concede if the TE is a real pass catcher it changes the equation there but if he’s an old school blocker near exclusively just push the chips in with a guy like bates instead.

i am possibly the loudest advocate (and have been for years) of just letting your swing tackle or most athletic depth guy be a 6th lineman instead of trotting out a guy like Lee smith. gets them live nfl blocking reps, almost always a better blocker for the 95% of the role and if in the 5% of pass targets you can coach then up even a little you aren’t sacrificing much I’m that (distantly) secondary role... and buys you an extra roster spot since they have another function its not perfect but a ton of pluses and very limited downside (you use a different TE in that role if the lineman is forced to their position due to injury or limit a few plays in the play calling)

I do enjoy that hapless is more optimistic about bates adjusting a route

I thought that would get more of a rise out of you, but you are on a roll with these

Where do we start?

josh used to do bad things frequently, now he does fewer of those and more good things, which we all agree, and scores much better. 6th is akin to a pro bowl qb before any opt outs even. he is a huge anomaly- so was someone like Brady. No one was worried he broke there system of not relying on day 3 qbs, and folks will still worry about accuracy of college qbs in the draft. He doesn’t break the “rule,” but does appear to be an exception in his ability to grow certain skill sets.

Would be surprised. he and/or beasley are the type you get to keep with the rookie deal quarterback. You don’t get to pay 3 wrs forever but now is a great time with all of them being effective and a great match for each other. davis is perfect for reliable depth and allows either a high upside project or specialty player instead of struggling to find a 4th body that could be near full time to add if you cut brown

Only if they decided he should have been the read. And even then he’d likely get a positive score but possibly diminished a bit

Someone once told me you could hyper analyze and find the flaw in any play. Might be the case for some here. if splitting hairs over 5th vs 6th, there’s something to be said for it being a great game that was acknowledged as such and then enjoying the debate instead of being frustrated by it (not you specifically but the global tone of “they hate him” for this)

I know the drop doesn’t count against the qb in pff - that was kind of my point though. that just pointing at a stat line doesn’t tell the whole story, (but neither does pff). All 6 guys had big stat games and I doubt it’s some huge drop off for josh. I’m just pointing out pff agrees he was one of the absolute best in the week. Folks were acting like it was insane to be 6 but without analyzing on that level hes among some pretty big games up there. (and I’ll mention for you that you might find something wrong, but you also might find something better than thought analyzing it, like Davis being the right throw despite the open receiver)

to be fair, I was using it as a throwaway bar napkin example because the board had a big thread on it, not as an actual criticism. I also included commentary about the progressions being a consideration when judging whether the wide open pass would be reasonable expectation.

if in 2.5 secs one guy throws great ball dropped by smith and the other is joshs pass.... which play would you grade the qb better? I can see making a great read and solid pass being a better individual performance still and that being good insight beyond yards and completion percentage. I don’t know how the grader marked that specific play. Could have said smith wasn’t the reasonable progression and given a perfect score. no stat will ever tell the whole story. He had a great game and received a great score.

is it insane to think tannehill may have made many similarly good throws regardless? I didn’t watch the game and 400 yards can be wildly slinging erratically or great discipline. I didn’t see if he was hitting his reads well to dispute his grade. If someone brings breakdown of one of the others playing badly, so be it. As is they all looked good on paper and the pff folks said they all passed the eye test. No need to be insulted by being among the very best scores in the week And pff doesn’t grade on just yards, I was just pointing out he was highly productive for instance, he probably got a very good grade on the Davis laser but might have come up short of the 2.0 score if they decided he missed the open Lee smith and shouldn’t have. I don’t think any of us analyzed these guys on that level. he’s in an elite group for the week.

He did have 389 yards and a TD so it’s not insane Stanford had 400+ Baker was 338 and 4tda rodgers and mahomes both look like they had good games i surely didn’t see all 6 performances but this isn’t an egregious snub even if he deserves to be a few higher. He’s in the elite grouping from the week.

id much rather the Steelers rack up losses and we pass them in seeding but call me crazy there. I know we aren’t used to fighting for home field in the playoffs so much as finding moral victories in December

obviously fans can be wrong. This is turning into one of the stranger rants in awhile. And there have been some strange ones

there are times when distance can be an asset. is this one of those times? Maybe. heck, for all we know there could be debate on this topic between McD, beane, and Daboll.

honestly have no idea on that specific play. Was more of a global commentary on Lee smith. bates is a great example of a better blocker that could benefit from consistent live fore reps. Something along the lines of Zach streif starting out on the saints in that role then kicking in as full time tackle after a couple seasons. if the blocking tight end is no threat downfield, may as well just maximize the blocking, no? just because a successful coach does something doesn’t mean he is always correct

I’ve always liked giving live reps to a young guy who is likely a better blocker if you are basically conceding the pass threat anyway. Just another option for the future in that role, not saying cut him today.

Should just have our 6th lineman report eligible in that package

Yeldon isn’t a game changer but I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten more looks honestly. he’s a productive vet and has a usable skill set

Gregg thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room. He was trying to surprise carr to get a sack since he had given up open shots into the end zone playing coverage. It was very much a Gregg move. just declaring it never done doesn’t make it true. Though if you keep throwing on ore qualifiers you may get there

Gregg has definitely blitzed in end of game situations before

turnover differential is a tricky one as fumble recoveries are a bit random. id venture something like forced fumbles and qb hits would be more indicative than fumbles recovered and interceptions caught