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He’s not as good as brown, but he’s an nfl starter on the outside and we needed one.

it’s amusing watching fans essentially point at a cash to cap strategy

I would be cool with the jets overpaying him

dont love Hendrickson but maybe he’d live up to it. Just not buying this high on him though.

it’s not so much motivational, as common sense negotiation. Everyone knows taysom is going to give 110%. taysom sees himself as a starting qb. To get him to tag 4 years onto the deal to achieve the accounting trick, it has to be reflective of how he sees his upside. if he plays as expected (not an entrenched starting qb) he gets his freedom to chase the next opportunity. If he shocks us, the saints didn’t screw him with a deal where the starter has a 4 year $20m contract and is holding out. it looks bizarre or like made up money but there’s plenty of rhyme and reason behind it

this contract (ie the 12) was signed a year ago as an elite role player with possible qv upside. It was an over pay but that discussion is old history.

Do you actually think he plays under that higher rate? the guys getting 12m for his qb play to day, and even that’s probably high but they didn’t want to eat dead money

there’s no “getting away with” anything here.

I enjoy that he’s both way overused and always injured but only really had a year of snaps....

ultimately it gives them the option to retain him as a franchise qb on the near impossible shot he earns it

every contract is voidable without penalty as long as you don’t have future year guarantees. you are getting hung up on the word and neglecting to think of the concept. dude just signed a 3 year extension essentially and has a signing bonus but not guaranteed salary. He’s never going to see year 2 of it. it’s him giving some cap flex but telling them the only way he’s there past this season is if he’s an elite starting qb, or he opts to renegotiate. Basically the huge sum gives him control of his next step.

Unfortunately, unless you think there’s any risk of them wanting to cut mahomes the next couple years- true specific move keeping the same dollars on the books is a trade of guaranteeing they will pay them for increased flexibility in how to account for them. Could spend them this year now, or roll them over and be in the same spot later as they were before. the only way the ink on paper here makes them weaker is if in the heat couple years you want to separate from the player and can’t reasonably. It’s all upside for this example though.

Checking the timeline it appears the Saints kicked the can straight into the year they are losing a hall of fame qb. Seems to me it’s a pretty excellent strategy to win now and rebuild when you don’t have a shot anyway. Pointing at them misses the point Happens to the best of us sometimes!

he’s in fact accelerating how quickly he’s getting all the same dollars. You’ve missed the mark completely here.

Yup The restructuring plus sitting out pretty much locked in this year. you can sometimes argue it’s fine to eat the dead money to save cash but his salary is fine for a player of his caliber this year.

there were definitely some self inflicted growing pains swept under the rug of “cleaning up the old regimes cap mess” i do think there’s been growth though.

it’s gotten better but a lot on the board don’t use restructure in the same meaning as most of the league. a pay cut is a pay cut, but restructure almost always refers to converting salary to bonus to reduce current year cap at expense of future flexibility

you say it’s easy, but he still didn’t do great. Many of the grades were questionable at best (especially in round 2 where getting a solid starter is a success) and the proper picks were pretty inconsistent.

yea I disagreed with that statement too. I guess by year 3-4 dead money will be low and cap hit high, but that’s alway the situation and a lot of guys are seeking new guarantees by then anyway.

I read the article. I have no doubt they chatted. I don’t think anything referenced was particularly ground breaking for Rivera’s professional development though. Do you? sure, the mentor picks some stuff up too when bouncing around ideas and chatting with the young guns - no doubt. But broad strokes, “the process” isn’t that novel. not meant insulting in any way. Just don’t think the bills effected the WFT development tooooo much.

As beane and McDermott learned under Rivera originally, I’d imagine the tutelage may have run the other way a bit more than this thread will portray.

That’s definitely a different thread

playing with a lead, and the chiefs line being thinner both helped, but their front 4 are nastier pass rushers and lbs better in space too. Double whammy when evaluating what the gap was.

Tampa got to play with a lead most of the game - that helps them key in on a one dimensional offense Tampa played against an injured OL the whole day, that helps their already more talented DL get pressure while also playing with a lead. they covered Kelce with tough physical presence. And sat a safety over tyreek. kc needed to see Watkins or hardman make a play to break the game back open and bust the simple defensive shell. Neither guy made that play. yup. you can get a really athletic LB in the 20s still. An edge rusher is harder but not impossible. I’d think they hope Oliver continues to develop and Edmunds gets healthy though.

but would have everyone in the same boat so we should still be very good