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It's a rugby play, not a football play. It's a scrum/ruck hybrid through and through. First instance I can remember of this play being allowed (against the rules) was the (Reggie) Bush Push back in 2005. Now Google is telling me the rule against this came off the NFL books that same year?! When did refs actually start allowing it on the field, though? And how many resulting infractions are being overlooked to allow this play to continue? **Has me thinking (or maybe I'm just still thinking) about the chart shared in a separate thread showing the Bills with the most offensive holding penalties FOR and also their opponents having the least offensive holding penalties AGAINST...just exactly how it feels watching the games. A few vocal murmurs in the stands last Sunday about the refs "shaving"...with spots and with flags. Sorry, probably unrelated.

It's just Grandstander nightly 10:00 sh*t barrage --

I wish they'd be more straightforward about reporting injuries.. Like Mickelsen found out, don't let Josh get his hands on your rangefinder. I don't see Samuel as a big loss as I see him as being redundant to Elijah Moore. Yes, Samuel played RB in college so he's a bit more physical but they both play that gadget slot role. I think it's inevitable that we'll be seeing more of Buffalo Joe and Ciarlo in the upcoming weeks. We should see if we can get Pinto Ken to jinx him by using Grey Poupon for his pre-game ritual.

I'm not saying there aren't any problems, but some of you guys may be surprised to know that currently the Bills are 3rd in the league in 20+-yard passing plays/receptions. Not sure how you qualify that. And New England dinked and dunked their way to a few Super Bowls, so...

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Atlanta and Buffalo about the farthest two teams apart on this graph. Fun little Vegas/NFL storyline brewing for MNF.

Two words: sumo wrestler.

I haven't read much of this thread, but it relates to something I've been thinking about. I agree there's too much panic. Of course, we'd like the Bills to be dominating every game instead of looking so suspect, but that isn't reasonable. Teams rarely do that. I agree with starry, that it's all about making the playoffs and playing well then. Ideally, you win the home field throughout, but homefield isn't as important as playing well when you get to the playoffs. I wrote last week about how the preseason is coming to an end. Many people got on my case, saying that's ridiculous, but this past week has me even more convinced. Who are the favorites to get to the Super Bowl? Bills and Eagles, and that was AFTER both teams lost on Sunday. Nobody thinks the Bills and Eagles are playing like big winners - they both are struggling. But the question is who's most likely to put it together, and based on the bones of each team, the experience, the QB, most everyone still thinks those are the two leaders. I was watching the Eagles struggle against the Giants last night and could help but think two things: Right now, the two teams looked similar, bumbling around the field, too many penalties, certainly not firing on all cylinders, leaky defense. Very similar. The other thing I thought is that the Bills played a tough team on Sunday, a team that looked like it was coming together, got smacked around a bit, and lost by a field goal on the last play. The Eagles completely fell apa, rt against a team that had shown very little except a wish about their rookie QB. Eagles took a much worse beating. If the Eagles still are the team to beat in the NFC, then the Bills are struggling less. The offense clearly hasn't come together yet, but all the pieces are there. The passing game will be fine, especially when the oline tightens up the pass pro. Cook is doing fine. The defense hasn't found itself, but I think it's by design. I think, for example, that when we get to December we'll see the Bills' zone tighten, and they'll be tough against that underneath stuff that's killing them now. And the d line will get reinforcements and will be battle tested. Can I prove that we saw last week will fade as the team gets sharp in December? No, but it looks to me as though the Bills are doing this consciously. They will be cranking things up beginning after the bye, being 4-1 at this point will have been certainly good enough.

Deion ran a 4.27 40 coming out of FSU!

I disagree. When the Rams had Cooper Kupp, but needed help on the Outside - would it have made sense for them to pass on trading for Odell Beckham Jr. (that they could put on the field at the same time as Kupp) to bring in another Slot like Kupp? No. Likewise It would have made zero sense, when we already had Khalil Shakir (our Kupp), Dalton Kincaid, and Curtis Samuel to bring in another Slot guy - when literally all we had was Mack Hollins and nothing else on the Outside. In a vacuum, I see the logic you're trying to go with. But when you have literally nothing at a position, you have to fill those spots first. Ladd McConkey would have served to take Khalil Shakir or Kincaid off the field and we'd be rolling with Hollins and MVS as our Outside guys with no backups. It'd have been like us drafting a Nickel CB in 2023 or 2025 when we already had Taron Johnson but needed to replace a starting Outside CB. Drafting a 3T when you need a 1T, a Middle Linebacker when you need an Outside Linebacker, an Interior Offensive Lineman when you need an Offensive Tackle. Just because they're in the same position group doesn't mean their skill set and talent is transferrable anywhere.

He was a good receiver. His last year in New England he had 998 yards. The year before that he was the Super Bowl MVP. He was then traded for a 1st & signed a big deal in Seattle. Let’s not pretend he was some scrub. 🤣🤣

its both. the scheme feasts on bum qbs. coupled with year after year of draft whiffs, this is what we're gonna get when up against a superiorly coached team, EVEN if the talent is sub-par on the opposing team. Preparation and coaching are paramount in a league with such close talent levels across rosters.

Now, THIS is what journalism is supposed to look like.

Fredonia---Mary's pizza!

Mike ain't lying. He would dominate today's game. He was Andre Johnson before Andre Johnson, but with more athleticism.

Shame on me for breaking your consecutive post streak prior to it reaching double digits, but you being the only one active here is the telltale sign of someone’s foundation cracking. I promise not to intrude further. Carry on!

If that type of strategy worked even 1/4th the time against a team that runs that play more than a couple times game, the leverage is so high the win shares they contribute will be more than the other 6 Bob Smiths on the practice squad combined that might see the field a couple times a year.

exactly. why's HE always bailing out the defense. the defense NEVER bails him out. EVER.

I wonder when they do stadium tours if they will let people on the field like they do currently with the old stadium, or keep them off like they do in other real grass stadiums like Lambeau. I heard that Josh did such a great job drawing the Bills logo, that they will have him put the lines down.