DC Tom Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Just a reminder that people can disagree about this topic without being disagreeable. One guy has already crossed that line, and won't be coming back for a while. Hate to see anyone else join him. But I can still call WVU "numbnuts", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Do you know the difference between being accused of doing something and actually doing it? Yeah... there are 20 pages of posts ACCUSING A BILLS FAN of vandalism. It could have been his next door neighbor pissed that he booms Bass at 1 AM for all we know. Now we are holding a Tim Russert Memorial Vigil for McKelvin on Sunday...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Yeah... there are 20 pages of posts ACCUSING A BILLS FAN of vandalism. It could have been his next door neighbor pissed that he booms Bass at 1 AM for all we know. Now we are holding a Tim Russert Memorial Vigil for McKelvin on Sunday...... So you're saying a Bills fan did this, just like Hardy beat his infant son... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 So you're saying a Bills fan did this, just like Hardy beat his infant son... You are overwhelming me once again with your talent of debate and humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Well said. The NFL promotes these guys 24/7 as well as tacitly endorsed a billion dollar a year gambling industry. The NFL promotes fantasy football, which in 99% of cases involves wagering Twitter, UStream, et al., only encourage more un-needed exposure of these athletes, and is a minefield which is still unfolding (Hey...anyone here watch the live Ustream with Lynch, Nelson and our buddy Kawika Mitchell....where Lynch is smoking a "cigar" in the background as the smoke detector constantly beeps from a low or removed battery, Nelson refers multiple times to "White Bitches"....and Lynch holds up an Oakland Raiders helmet and tells this camera "This is what it's all about!"????) If Mitchell doesn't Twitter...I've got $100 that says we never hear a word of this. The Bills were 5-1 underdogs to win the game.......you think...just POSSIBLY...this wasn't even a Bills fan but someone that lost $$ on McKelvin's mistake? Better yet...it was probably some 15 year old that was winning his Fantasy Football matchup by 4 points, until Brady threw his 2nd touchdown and lost it for the kid. People need to stop and think sometimes. The NFL pimps these guys out on every form of media 24/7, then cries when someone receives a little "creative" constructive criticism. I've gotta run now.....I just caught an 8 year old chalking out a Hopscotch on my sidewalk......little B word! I'd gladly take that bet, because a report was filed. (Witness Scott Berchtold calling it a "police matter.") BuffNews may not have all the reporters they used to, but I'll guarantee that there's still someone working the cops-and-courts desk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Lynch....hits a girl with his car and speeds off, gets arrested with contraband firearm and drugs in the carHardy...hits his girlfriend while holding his infant son, pulls out a gun while confronting his father Whitner, Parrish, Simpson, Hargrove....all arrested for various violence and alcohol induced tirades. This in the course of a little over 12 months..... But some yuppie kid who was decent enough to voice his displeasure on a renewable canvas without vulgarity is what pushes the fanbase over the edge when it comes to the image of the city and it's people. Agreed...WOuld i do it? No, However Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoretalk Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 It was spray paint on grass specifically applied by someone who specifically went out of their way to target someone they didn't know but were apparently very upset with. That's what makes it kind-of scary. The act itself may not be significant; the attitude behind it has something of a "rabbit in the stewpot" color to it. This is exactly the point ... doesn't matter if it's spray paint on a renewable lawn or not. When anyone says this is ok it opens the door for the next act of violence. This was WRONG ... what Lynch, Hardy, et. al. did were WRONG too. There is nothing funny in the least about this ... and it is scary how many think this was a good thing. But then again how many of us with kids have sat watching the game at THE RALPH as someone cursed a total blue streak towards the ref's, opposing team/coach, or Bills' players/coaches some how thinking that their elementary tirade will impact the individuals on the field never once showing respect (my there's a word that seems to have been flushed down the toilet a long time ago) towards those in their immediate vicinity. I still believe that a day at the stadium deserves to be a family experience not just one for drunk, foul mouthed guys trying to rediscover their teen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I'd gladly take that bet, because a report was filed. (Witness Scott Berchtold calling it a "police matter.") BuffNews may not have all the reporters they used to, but I'll guarantee that there's still someone working the cops-and-courts desk. Lori...I hate to tell you, but I have close to a dozen stories about some of our present and previous "heroes" that never make the paper because they are allowed to slip out the back door of 74 Franklin. I am talking about some real heavy stuff. That is why I laugh when we coddle these guys at times. I have a question.....if my car gets a window busted out at Ralph Wilson Stadium because I wear a Dolphins shirt: A) What will the owners of the parking lot do about it? B) What will the Bills fans do about it? C) What will the media do about it? A) Nothing B) Laugh C) Nothing I think Leodis can afford 2 minutes with a Toro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Lori...I hate to tell you, but I have close to a dozen stories about some of our present and previous "heroes" that never make the paper because they are allowed to slip out the back door of 74 Franklin. I am talking about some real heavy stuff. That is why I laugh when we coddle these guys at times. I have a question.....if my car gets a window busted out at Ralph Wilson Stadium because I wear a Dolphins shirt: A) What will the owners of the parking lot do about it? B) What will the Bills fans do about it? C) What will the media do about it? A) Nothing B) Laugh C) Nothing I think Leodis can afford 2 minutes with a Toro This isn't about what they did, it's about the mindset of someone who takes the time to do this. As DCTom says it has a "rabbit in a stewpot" feel to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Lori...I hate to tell you, but I have close to a dozen stories about some of our present and previous "heroes" that never make the paper because they are allowed to slip out the back door of 74 Franklin. I am talking about some real heavy stuff. That is why I laugh when we coddle these guys at times. I have a question.....if my car gets a window busted out at Ralph Wilson Stadium because I wear a Dolphins shirt: A) What will the owners of the parking lot do about it? B) What will the Bills fans do about it? C) What will the media do about it? A) Nothing B) Laugh C) Nothing I think Leodis can afford 2 minutes with a Toro It is the principle here that matters. You're going ot someone's house and doing this. Violating someone's privacy. I lived in Irving, TX in an apartment complex that Emmitt Smith's girlfriend lived in and he was over there frequently. Emmitt had a bad game that week, I think a couple of fumbles and the Cowboys lost. The next day, his car was egged. (Not by me!) Two weeks later, the girlfriend had moved out. I don't know if McKelvin is renting or owning, but having your privacy violated sucks. I bet he wishes he could move now. Who knows what the next stupid Bills fan will do if he screws up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 This isn't about what they did, it's about the mindset of someone who takes the time to do this. As DCTom says it has a "rabbit in a stewpot" feel to it. On this website alone...heck, on this thread alone....I have been slandered, accused of breaking the law, had my occupational livelyhood threatened, my Religion belittled, my mental ability and status mocked and degraded..... Is this not a rabbit in a stewpot? If someone is willing to slander me because they don't agree with my opinion or personality, or accuse me of malace....what else are they willing to do? I've got to protect my family and myself. Maybe I should look into certain avenues of protection or recourse. No....I don't, because I'm not a P***Y. If someone wants to act like a slimeball....I am going to assume it is because they can hide behind a computer screen....just like it is safe to assume that the spraypaint on the lawn was just some overemotional jerk and not the KKK getting ready to scout out some trees and tie some rope. Discernment is no longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watching since 1964 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I saw this on SI today. ---------------------------------------------------------- "On another note, Silver said he wasn't surprised that Bills fans vandalized Leodis McKelvin's house. Silver said when he writes negative things about Buffalo, the team's fans threaten him." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatric...l#ixzz0RHxRBkRe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 On this website alone...heck, on this thread alone....I have been slandered, accused of breaking the law, had my occupational livelyhood threatened, my Religion belittled, my mental ability and status mocked and degraded..... Is this not a rabbit in a stewpot? If someone is willing to slander me because they don't agree with my opinion or personality, or accuse me of malace....what else are they willing to do? I've got to protect my family and myself. Maybe I should look into certain avenues of protection or recourse. No....I don't, because I'm not a P***Y. If someone wants to act like a slimeball....I am going to assume it is because they can hide behind a computer screen....just like it is safe to assume that the spraypaint on the lawn was just some overemotional jerk and not the KKK getting ready to scout out some trees and tie some rope. Discernment is no longer. You are seriously comparing a physical violation of someone's home with comments made on a message board? Do you even know what "a rabbit in a stewpot" means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Do you even know what "a rabbit in a stewpot" means? You'll hafta reference the specific chapter and verse in revelation if you have any hopes of getting through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 You are seriously comparing a physical violation of someone's home with comments made on a message board? Do you even know what "a rabbit in a stewpot" means? Comments? Slander, Threats, Accusations, Religious Biggotry.............. Spraypaint on a lawn with no threats or hate speech by 1 of 2 million fans in the Greater Niagara Region (Thanks Russ for coining that one!), after a guy making $20 million makes a decision a Pop Warner kid wouldn't make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 You'll hafta reference the specific chapter and verse in revelation if you have any hopes of getting through. Did you know that the Rapture is not even mentioned in the Bible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 You'll hafta reference the specific chapter and verse in revelation if you have any hopes of getting through. Right on Cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Comments? Slander, Threats, Accusations, Religious Biggotry.............. Spraypaint on a lawn with no threats or hate speech by 1 of 2 million fans in the Greater Niagara Region (Thanks Russ for coining that one!), after a guy making $20 million makes a decision a Pop Warner kid wouldn't make. You have repeatedly shown yourself to be pretty racist and although I think it's backward, I support your right to think what you will. I see no reason why your choice of religion should be out-of-bounds when you seem to have no problem judging others based on things that are not their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Did you know that the Rapture is not even mentioned in the Bible? Nor is "And thou shalt not defaceth thy sod of the stealth negro who refuses to kneel by means of aerosol propelled rivers of destruction." But we sure are bowing down now aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Silver said when he writes negative things about Buffalo, the team's fans threaten him." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatric...l#ixzz0RHxRBkRe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 You have repeatedly shown yourself to be pretty racist and although I think it's backward, I support your right to think what you will. I see no reason why your choice of religion should be out-of-bounds when you seem to have no problem judging others based on things that are not their choice. My point is.....I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TAKING HEAT!!! If I am going to dish it, I will take it. When certain posters chime in with insults because they have no shot at taking me down with logic or original humor...I see it for what it is. No big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I dont live in the WNY area so I may be wrong but dont Bills players keep their addresses private? I mean if I where an athlete I would be unlisted in the phone book to keep my private life private. I would be more worried about how someone knew where I lived. Maybe I'm wrong? Are there Bills players that have made reference to their homes? I dont see many players doing this IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBills51 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 "It wasn't quite the public wrath lashed out at Scott Norwood after his famous wide right miss at the end of Super Bowl XXV. But bitter Buffalo Bills fans did go too far Monday night when they spraypainted an obscenity on the lawn of kick returner Leodis McKelvin in the town of Hamburg, just outside Buffalo." - Mike Zeisberger http://www.torontosun.com/sports/football/...928426-sun.html Correct me if im wrong, but I recall Bills fans chanting for Scott Norwood and bringing him to tears at City Hall after Super Bowl XXV...or is that just my imagination. Here is the link to video of that....but it may be a fake like the moon landing video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c21xzRcd2Uo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I saw this on SI today. ---------------------------------------------------------- "On another note, Silver said he wasn't surprised that Bills fans vandalized Leodis McKelvin's house. Silver said when he writes negative things about Buffalo, the team's fans threaten him." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatric...l#ixzz0RHxRBkRe I've read his stuff in the past. He had an axe to grind with A.J. Smith of the Chargers during the LT contract dispute. Let his personal bias get in the way of objective reporting in that case. Not a big fan of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 The bigger question is how can we communicate to Leodis that there are THOUSANDS of Bills fans that realize it's a game and support him completely? Send him flowers with a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 If only there were a major event in less than a week scheduled to be attended by both thousands of Bills fans AND McLovin... That is very funny by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Comments? Slander, Threats, Accusations, Religious Biggotry.............. Spraypaint on a lawn with no threats or hate speech by 1 of 2 million fans in the Greater Niagara Region (Thanks Russ for coining that one!), after a guy making $20 million makes a decision a Pop Warner kid wouldn't make. Wow, way to make yourself the victim dude. As a side note, making a mistake at your job does not make it okay for someone to vandalize your property. Period. Have you ever made a mistake at your job? Does that mean I can do whatever I want to your personal property, even though it has absolutely no affect on my personal well-being or any other crucial facet of my life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 On this website alone...heck, on this thread alone....I have been slandered, accused of breaking the law, had my occupational livelyhood threatened, my Religion belittled, my mental ability and status mocked and degraded..... You really don't see the difference between this, and showing up at your bunker uninvited to vandalize it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 This isn't about what they did, it's about the mindset of someone who takes the time to do this. As DCTom says it has a "rabbit in a stewpot" feel to it. No, it's about perspective. At the end of the day, these guys will probably end up with a small fine, I'm guessing on the order of $50. That's on the level of a parking ticket. Yet there are those who have jumped onto their moral high horse and doling out punishment on an order of magnitude reserved for the worst of the worst in society. You are seriously comparing a physical violation of someone's home with comments made on a message board? Someone was able to link in neo Nazi's with spray paint on a lawn, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Send him flowers with a card. [/quote And wave your own financial worth statement in the air to show that the little man loves the millionaire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 might be amused to see some Bills fans quoted in this piece that just moved: AP: Bills CB McKelvin Willing to forgive and forget thanks, everyone. jw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I dont live in the WNY area so I may be wrong but dont Bills players keep their addresses private? I mean if I where an athlete I would be unlisted in the phone book to keep my private life private. I would be more worried about how someone knew where I lived. Maybe I'm wrong? Are there Bills players that have made reference to their homes? I dont see many players doing this IMO there is no provicy in todays internet world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 On this website alone...heck, on this thread alone....I have been slandered, accused of breaking the law, had my occupational livelyhood threatened, my Religion belittled, my mental ability and status mocked and degraded..... And that's when you're having a GOOD day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest three3 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 pathetic loser (almost) the official '09 season slogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 might be amused to see some Bills fans quoted in this piece that just moved: AP: Bills CB McKelvin Willing to forgive and forget thanks, everyone. jw Thank you. That is a nice article and good job to the people in the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 might be amused to see some Bills fans quoted in this piece that just moved: AP: Bills CB McKelvin Willing to forgive and forget thanks, everyone. jw Thanks for getting the other side out there, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 might be amused to see some Bills fans quoted in this piece that just moved: AP: Bills CB McKelvin Willing to forgive and forget thanks, everyone. jw Nice article... and as a former Buffalonian and one always in spirit and addiction to Buffalo Sports, I like the sentiment expressed. Positive reinforcement of McKelven is a good thing. Despite the disconnect of the money he earns, he still is a young kid and I grew up where every knew each other and neighbors took care of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 The fumble speaks for itself. But the vandalism is a major not and a never. Keep the passion classy. Obviously, Bills fans don't feel good about the fumble and the loss but very few appreciate the vandalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I dont know if this was posted already (I'll be the first to admit I didnt go and re-read the entire thread) but on BB.com they have a story about how local Bills fans are donating money to McKelvin's favorite charity. Thought it was a very nice gesture. http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/09/16/r...s-fans-step-up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Time Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 TO did it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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