McDermott still in over his head

[WeckMonster]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't disagree that he should have just thrown the flag even if he didn't have confirmation - not much to lose. But I also don't think it was that big of a deal. 

It was a 7 point swing in the game. That’s a huge win probability difference. Do you know what would need to happen to swing a betting line 7 points?

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Here is my stance on McDermott. 

 

1. Give him a better GM that csn actually scout talent and not waste/ miss on 1st and 2nd round draft picks.  Let Josh have a couple real WR to take pressure off the Defense and find the talent McDermott needs yo really see what his defense can do.

 

2. He needs to plan against teams better.  We cant live on 2nd half adjustments alone. I still dont know why he has trouble with this.

 

Beane has to go so McDermott can have a chance to see what can really be done with this team. And YES,we all know McDermott brought Beane here, but I think coach now realizes its Beane who is way in over his head. 

 

A new GM may not want to work with McDermott. A new GM will probably tell Terry that he wants the power to move on from McDermott and bring in his own HC if both he and McDermott aren't on the same page. A new GM would probably tell Terry he won't accept the job unless he has the option to bring in his own HC. 

[dorquemada]

4 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

As much as we can criticize him anyway because it’s the first half just throw the flag, I’m actually pretty curious on his postgame statement.  Up until this year you were kinda boned as an away team and forced to rely on broadcast angles which were significantly delayed.  If you gave mcd your YouTube tv login it really wouldn’t help him much on a play the pats are rushing to the line in that scenario. 

 

this year both teams are SUPPOSED to get all those replay angles from the Hawkeye camera instantly but I wonder if that’s only certain games or didn’t happen in this case or what.  Knowing NEs sordid history with one known cheater on the staff still I bet those expanded replay angles never showed up 😂. The whole expanded replay camera stuff was not well explained at all 

 

the way mcd worded it he may have been taking a shot at the leagues new replay system not working but I could be wrong 

 

They showed it twice on the network broadcast before the ball was snapped on the next play

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, WeckMonster said:

It was a 7 point swing in the game. That’s a huge win probability difference. Do you know what would need to happen to swing a betting line 7 points?

 

Sure but 7 points on the first drive of the game doesn't influence games as much as 7 points late. It was a miss, he should have thrown the flag. It does not signal incompetence. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

38 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

It's games like this, against a well coached team, where McDermott's ineptitude is magnified. He just doesn't have a feel in critical game management situations. Not challenging that deep pass on the first drive was atrocious. It spotted the Pats 7 points early and we almost didn't recover.  The entire stadium knew it wasn't caught, the Pats were sprinting up the field to hike the ball, it's early in the first losing a timeout means nothing, why not challenge? Just terrible. He's always overthinking critical game management calls and for guys like Vrabel, Reid, McVay, others, it just comes natural. McDermott is not a bad coach, and I've been impressed with the way he's responded to criticism and challenged himself to grow and change in these last couple years, but he just doesn't have an elite football mind. It's painfully obvious when we go up against good coaches.  Even if Josh carries us to a superbowl this year, won't change how I feel about McDermott. 

where's the rock you climbed out from under?

 

you need to go find it and crawl your ass back under it.

[stevewin]

9 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Can I ask a question? Why is he getting crucified when New York should have buzzed in and overturned that on its own, without him needing to challenge? On nearly every questionable play where the offense is rushing, they almost always buzz down.

I'm not sure if the eye in the sky review is dependent on the broadcast feed (though I imagine it is), as it is for the Bills staff member in the booth who has the job to see the replay and call down to McD on whether to challenge or not.  In this case the production did a horrible job of showing a replay in a timely manner, and IIRC the first one they showed was not a good angle anyway.

 

My guess is that McD did not have a good angle to make a good assessment on the field (or maybe even from his vantage point he thought it was a catch), and while the guy in the booth was waiting for the replay to make his assessment, McD was looking at the scoreboard for any kind of assistance (thus his comment).  By the time NE was rushing to the line I don't think the guy in the booth ever had a chance to review the replay and call down.  At this point McD had the option to take a chance to just throw the flag regardless, with no clarification, and potentially burn a TO

 

Ultimately the thing that burns me week after week is the horrible TV production that so often doesn't show replays, or show them in a timely manner.  If the eye in the sky is dependent on that a lot of times they are not getting the views fast enough to reverse plays - the teams are definitely dependent on it with their guys in the booth telling the coach whether to challenge or not

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

A new GM may not want to work with McDermott. A new GM will probably tell Terry that he wants the power to move on from McDermott and bring in his own HC if both he and McDermott aren't on the same page. A new GM would probably tell Terry he won't accept the job unless he has the option to bring in his own HC. 

I dont see that in our situation.  We have Allen and McDermott has built a culture.   A new GM honestly has it easier in Buffalo...just pick better talent. Nothing is 100% but dang we can do a lot better then we have at getting talent

[Billsatlastin2018]

38 minutes ago, Billsfed1 said:

He said something about how they didn’t have the ability to see the replay in the stadium, they have to get that figured out moving forward.

 

WHAAAAAAAAAAAT?

 

He doesn’t have this shite figured out since ‘13 seconds’?

FFS, you ***** rube, have geek guy beside you reviewing it, with the ability to cattle prod you into making the correct decision! If that’s not legal, have the booth geek guy doing the same!! 
 

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

 

They showed it twice on the network broadcast before the ball was snapped on the next play

 

It was home cooking BS

[RochesterLifer]

30 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

It's games like this, against a well coached team, where McDermott's ineptitude is magnified. He just doesn't have a feel in critical game management situations. Not challenging that deep pass on the first drive was atrocious. It spotted the Pats 7 points early and we almost didn't recover.  The entire stadium knew it wasn't caught, the Pats were sprinting up the field to hike the ball, it's early in the first losing a timeout means nothing, why not challenge? Just terrible. He's always overthinking critical game management calls and for guys like Vrabel, Reid, McVay, others, it just comes natural. McDermott is not a bad coach, and I've been impressed with the way he's responded to criticism and challenged himself to grow and change in these last couple years, but he just doesn't have an elite football mind. It's painfully obvious when we go up against good coaches.  Even if Josh carries us to a superbowl this year, won't change how I feel about McDermott. 

Were you sober when you posted this?

 

This year, the Bills, coached by McDermott, defeated:

A Reid-coached team, the Chiefs

A Tomlin-coached team, the Steelers

A Harbaugh-coached team, the Ravens

A Vrabel-coached team, the Patriots

 

Last year, the Bills, coached by McDermott, defeated:

A Payton-coached team, the Broncos

A Reid-coached team, the Chiefs

A Tomlin-coached team, the Steelers

A Harbaugh-coached team, the Ravens

A Shanahan-coached team, the 49ers

A Campbell-coached team, the Lions

 

The very last thing the Bills have a problem with is matching up with the NFL's tenured and respected coaches. Please do a little research before you post your garbage.

 

BTW - the pro-Patriot posters all disappeared after yesterday's game. Feel free to join them. 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I dont see that in our situation.  We have Allen and McDermott has built a culture.   A new GM honestly has it easier in Buffalo...just pick better talent. Nothing is 100% but dang we can do a lot better then we have at getting talent

 

I agree with you that it might be time to move on from Beane but again a new GM especially a good one with a track record of success will probably want the option to bring in his own HC.

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, BananaB said:

His conservative play before half saved them 4 points. I know it’s weird, no faith in D to get off the field and try to go in half 21-14, instead he settled for the 24-7 pats lead. Just funny, not many coaches would do that. Honestly they gotta get better game plan to start games or make the necessary changes on the fly instead of at half time. 

 

This mindset is not going to work in the playoffs most likely. You manifest what you fear....

 

The silver lining is Allen has zero fear and the oline can control games 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

They showed it twice on the network broadcast before the ball was snapped on the next play

 

Adjusting for whatever broadcast delay there is though is the potential issue.  The live game is noticeably ahead of the tv broadcast.  The built in broadcast delay is like 10 seconds then there could be just output type delays on top of that.  Streaming is massively delayed but I assume they have a cable feed 

 

they probably got a look at it at game speed on the broadcast and that’s it (if the Hawkeye stuff wasn’t available) 

 

coaches have complained about this for years and they allegedly have a solution now but I don’t know a ton about how it works or how reliable it is.  I’m having flashbacks to Tomlin yelling about how his equipment never works in foxboro 😂

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

I agree with you that it might be time to move on from Beane but again a new GM especially a good one with a track record of success will probably want the option to bring in his own HC.

I see your point, but no way Terry parts with a winning HC.

 

Ponder this on the tree of woe... maybe the right person is already in the building, but Beane does his own thing on draft day and FA?  Not inconceivable. 

[ProcessTruster]

42 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

It's games like this, against a well coached team, where McDermott's ineptitude is magnified. He just doesn't have a feel in critical game management situations. Not challenging that deep pass on the first drive was atrocious. It spotted the Pats 7 points early and we almost didn't recover.  The entire stadium knew it wasn't caught, the Pats were sprinting up the field to hike the ball, it's early in the first losing a timeout means nothing, why not challenge? Just terrible. He's always overthinking critical game management calls and for guys like Vrabel, Reid, McVay, others, it just comes natural. McDermott is not a bad coach, and I've been impressed with the way he's responded to criticism and challenged himself to grow and change in these last couple years, but he just doesn't have an elite football mind. It's painfully obvious when we go up against good coaches.  Even if Josh carries us to a superbowl this year, won't change how I feel about McDermott. 

So who's your replacement, champ?   Don't bring your problems without a solution that can actually be implemented.   Details, please.   Remember, you fire McD, the entire staff goes out as well.   You don't get to cherry pick.   So you need an entire coaching staff.   

 

I'll wait.  

 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea in that situation your loss is a first half time out (minimal) your win is a stop on the first drive (potentially significant). Once you see they are sprinting to the line you play the "they are not sure" percentages and throw it. Second half that happens in a close ball game I don't want you guessing. The time out matters more. But when it was? Yea you gotta throw the flag. 

Plus it was third down. So stopping a drive. If first down and they have two more shots, maybe not that valuable. A 30 yarder on 3rd and long is essentially creating a turnover.
 

can really set a tone.

[Wraith]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea in that situation your loss is a first half time out (minimal) your win is a stop on the first drive (potentially significant). Once you see they are sprinting to the line you play the "they are not sure" percentages and throw it. Second half that happens in a close ball game I don't want you guessing. The time out matters more. But when it was? Yea you gotta throw the flag. 

It's not just the time out that is lost. Teams only have two challenges for the entire game. So the risk is playing almost the entire game with one challenge. 

[PromoTheRobot]

53 minutes ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

It's games like this, against a well coached team, where McDermott's ineptitude is magnified. He just doesn't have a feel in critical game management situations. Not challenging that deep pass on the first drive was atrocious. It spotted the Pats 7 points early and we almost didn't recover.  The entire stadium knew it wasn't caught, the Pats were sprinting up the field to hike the ball, it's early in the first losing a timeout means nothing, why not challenge? Just terrible. He's always overthinking critical game management calls and for guys like Vrabel, Reid, McVay, others, it just comes natural. McDermott is not a bad coach, and I've been impressed with the way he's responded to criticism and challenged himself to grow and change in these last couple years, but he just doesn't have an elite football mind. It's painfully obvious when we go up against good coaches.  Even if Josh carries us to a superbowl this year, won't change how I feel about McDermott. 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

52 minutes ago, Billsfed1 said:

He said something about how they didn’t have the ability to see the replay in the stadium, they have to get that figured out moving forward.

 

You'll note that CBS didn't have a replay ready until AFTER the Pats ran a play. Then you have "replay ASSist" taking a nap on the play. I agree just seeing how that catch was made I would have thrown a flag because it was the first half and time outs are less valuable then. The only thing I don't know is if you blow the chance for another replay challenge later if you fail there. Maybe McDermott was expecting replay assist to step in.

 

But I'll also say that play was not a slam dunk to be overturned. Boutte still had his left hand firmly on the ball. Replay might have ruled it a good catch based on that.

[Ralonzo]

I'll give McDermott this, he's never been as much of a whiny B word as Vrabel is right now