I don’t know where i stand with Joe Brady

[Billzgobowlin]

This offense is coached by him but not necessarily his fault when he succeeds or fails.  I'm reminded of a pitch to I believe Ty where Keon completely disengaged from a block.  Is that Brady's fault or is it Coleman, because there was a first down there to be had?  You could make the claim that Coleman should not be depended upon but as an NFL player you need to be able to make that play.  Also consider the other side of the ball gets paid to make that play as well.  Should Brady call that play?  Maybe or maybe not.  Could also be that our defense doesn't defend it well in practice and it looks like the play works well.  Should we throw it deep?  Maybe but a quick play deep gives the ball back to the other team fast and I think a ball control offense has proven to be a better option.  I think the game plan is fairly sound usually but sometimes it needs to be modified based on how the other team attacks us.  What you saw Sunday was adjustments but also you saw the line start winning.  

[Jalan81]

12 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

He has been inconsistent this entire season, hasn’t developed a steady downfield passing game, doesn’t know how to scheme open his WRs. And he can be way too predictable sometimes. 

 

But at the same time the Bills scored 28 unanswered points against the top team in the AFC. James Cook is a legitimate super star. And Allen statistically is having another MVP worthy season. The offense itself seems much more physical than previous seasons where it was more of a finesse offense under Daboll & Dorsey. 

 

What do you think ? Obviously we need an entire season to really evaluate everything, but where do you stand at the moment? 

He’s trash and relies on one of the best Qb’s who’s ever played the game to save his ass week in and week out. Throwing screens on 3rd and 15 is complete stupidity when the game is on the line. This playbook seems limited as well as his play calling, he lacked creativity and just hopes our guys can line up and do the job better than the other team can do the job of stopping them. We can do much better than this and quite frankly in the playoffs, we will need to.

12 hours ago, JBI$111 said:

Here I'll help, he still sucks and we can do better! He certainly didn't win the game for us, the players did in spite of his bad play calling & poor feel for the game, which has been consistent throughout the year, especially in the first half of almost every game. He has a very mediocre uncreative pedestrian offense that's pretty predictable with basically a handful of the same plays every week. There's nothing he's doing creatively with the run game, he's just lucky enough to have very good running backs on the team, especially Cook.

If I would’ve read this before my post, I would’ve just like this and moved on. This is spot on analysis.

[Jalan81]

11 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I think you called it correctly on Palmer.  He was better with the Chargers.  Has he had more than a couple big plays all year?  The catch up the sideline against Baltimore late.  And the deep catch against Atlanta.  He has probably missed close to half the games too.  How does his contract look for next year?  Can we cut his ass without much of a salary cap hit?

We should have had a play designed there for Shakir 8-10 yards up the field.  

Why is a buffalo a place receivers come to die? This is Brady and somewhat McDermotts fault. Every receiver that comes here should do better than what they previously did, and that certainly does not happen, and it isn’t a one off case either

[SCBills]

The best QB in the league. 
 

Top 5 OL

 

Top 5 RB Room

 

Top 5 TE Room

 

Bottom 5 WR Room

 

How should one judge an OC who has that.  It’s such a drastic drop off from the, when healthy, talent he has at his disposal in the run game and out of heavy personnel to the limitations brought down on the entire offense due to lack of WR separation and the inability of anyone reliable to stay on the field for consecutive games in a row outside Shakir. 
 

Theres never been a more “mixed bag” an OC has been given.  Brady, and a lot of it due to Kromer, have an elite running game and are now showing off the talent in the TE room.  But that only gets you so far when you can’t rely on anyone to win quickly downfield.   And while Brady does some decent things, he also does some mind numbingly dreadful things and this offense only

really takes off when Josh Allen decides he’s going to become dual threat/buy time/throw lasers JA.  …which lucky for us, he can pretty much do whenever he wants. 
 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by SCBills

[nuklz2594]

not a Brady guy. I can see him walking into wr room and his mantra must be....I can work with this, I can work with this...

[nosejob]

11 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

The WR's he has to work with are trash.  Still those one yard passes to Shakir and and Johnson for minimal gains are stupid and surely going to lead to a pick six at some point.

Don't know if I'd say stupid, it's the timing that sucks. Takes way too long to develop. Like it's a last resort for Josh. I think our plays are easily diagnosed by the defense by who and how we are lined up. Yesterday I saw Keon at the bottom of the screen and Knox at the top. I'm sure Shakir was in there somewhere, but it seems when we have that kind of lineup, it's always a hand off to Cook. BTW, why don't they use Gilliam as a FB on those short yardage needs.

 

I'm no expert. I thought maybe the cameras weren't picking up the entire line. I realize the 2 TE thing but when all you line up is Keon outside and Shakir in the slot, it's a handoff. IDK

Edited 5 hours ago by nosejob

[Jrb1979]

14 hours ago, Success said:

I'm a prisoner of the moment.

 

He did a damn good job today.  If anyone is gonna criticize a guy who orchestrated 5 TD's in a row on the road against a rival, I just can't take 'em seriously.

 

He did a good job in the 2nd half. The first they struggled again. They seem to do a lot this season. The defense is no better.   It's like the coaching staff waits til they are down multiple scores to realize what they planned on doing for the game isn't working. 

[Bills Juggernaut]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think since trading Myers the Raiders are probably the worst. And Tennessee once Ridley went down are right there with them. Cleveland is hard to categorise. I think they suck aside from Jeudy and his production is down this year, but they have started three or four different Quarterbacks (none of them good). So maybe that is currently the bottom three. I think the rest of those teams have either a better version of the solid but unspectacular group we have (Pats) or one young player who very clearly would be the number 1 on all those teams (Harrison, Nabers, McMillan). 

 

So maybe right now I'd put the Bills WR group 29th. Maybe.

 

I asked co-pilot to rank NFL teams based by WR production in 2025 and (I haven't verified) but it has us 28th with 1,593 yards. 

I think considering that Allen is the reigning MVP and is truly a once in a lifetime QB throwing them the ball, we really have the worst WR room in the NFL. If we had a moderate to moderately bad WR room, Josh would push them into top 10. The fact that they are bottom 3 with Josh at QB bumping them up is truly astonishing how bad they really are as a group. 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Bills Juggernaut said:

I think considering that Allen is the reigning MVP and is truly a once in a lifetime QB throwing them the ball, we really have the worst WR room in the NFL. If we had a moderate to moderately bad WR room, Josh would push them into top 10. The fact that they are bottom 3 with Josh at QB bumping them up is truly astonishing how bad they really are as a group. 

 

Just look at the names on those Raiders and Titans depth charts though.... sheeesh. I think you can argue Palmer would be the #1 on those teams. But the Bills receivers are terrible. A has been (Cooks), a complimentary slot receiver (Shakir), a career #4 (Palmer), a draft bust (Coleman) and a player cut by Jacksonville (Gabe). 

[dave mcbride]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Despite having a unicorn QB he has one of the hardest jobs in the NFL in terms of coordinating a passing offense. There are no cheat codes for a WR room as abysmal as ours is. Overall I think he does a good job of knowing what we do well and leaning into that. His run scheme is legit. His pass scheme is never going to wow you but again I question how much of that is on him.

 

I put him firmly in the middle of NFL OCs. That's not based on any kind of educated ranking, it just feels right. Mostly he gets out of Allen's and Cook's way which is the best thing he can do. The occasional play call brain fart like today's 3rd down to Ty Johnson is the kind of thing every fan for every team complains about from time to time.

 

I'm as tired as the screens as you, but on that play he had it schemed up properly. If Palmer holds his block, he probably gets the first (although it would have been close). The defender (Carlton Davis? can't quite recall) made a terrific play.

[mbowman14]

By far my biggest complaint is the lack of play-action especially early in games.  We know our WRs suck.  We also know our TEs are great, our RBs are receiving threats, and our running game is legit and is the focal point for opposing defenses.  We should be leaning on PA early especially on 1st Down and get the balls to the TEs across the middle.  This has the added benefit of loosening up the LBs against the run.  We came out throwing against Miami and TB, but it was traditional drop back stuff on early downs as opposed to PA.  Yesterday was the perfect example but Cooks dropped the ball.  Big plays in the passing game have to come on early downs off PA, our receivers aren't good enough to get them in conventional passing downs/routes.

 

Second main complaint is to know you have 17 for important series during the game.  It is crazy that at 35-31 yesterday and the D getting a big stop, we went 3 and out with 2 Cook runs and a screen pass to Ty.  There is no excuse for not giving Josh a run/pass option on that series and letting him do what he does.  

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I'm as tired as the screens as you, but on that play he had it schemed up properly. If Palmer holds his block, he probably gets the first (although it would have been close). The defender (Carlton Davis? can't quite recall) made a terrific play.

 

That's my problem with it though. In a critical moment of the game you put it all on Palmer's blocking instead of on Allen's playmaking. Of course if it works I wouldn't be complaining about it so yes there is some hindsight analysis here.

[Process]

The one play that really bothered me yesterday was the screen on 3rd and 5 in the 4Q with a chance to ice the game. You don't take the ball out of Allen's hand in that situation. Ever. Let him drop back, scan the field and make a play. 

[Saint Doug]

The offense wasn’t an issue with this game. Our defense has given up 34 and 31 points over the last 2 games. The Ravens just shut out the Bengals. Our defense, with an exception of 1-2 players, is still a big question mark and remains a big concern. 

[BillsFan692]

2 yard screen on 3rd and 15 with game on the line i mean come on.

Guys a JA17 merchant simple as that. 

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFan692

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Just look at the names on those Raiders and Titans depth charts though.... sheeesh. I think you can argue Palmer would be the #1 on those teams. But the Bills receivers are terrible. A has been (Cooks), a complimentary slot receiver (Shakir), a career #4 (Palmer), a draft bust (Coleman) and a player cut by Jacksonville (Gabe). 

The Bills need to continue to feed the TEs and RBs to move the chains.

55 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

The offense wasn’t an issue with this game. Our defense has given up 34 and 31 points over the last 2 games. The Ravens just shut out the Bengals. Our defense, with an exception of 1-2 players, is still a big question mark and remains a big concern. 

They are simply unable to stop the run and stop teams from scoring TDs.   

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's my problem with it though. In a critical moment of the game you put it all on Palmer's blocking instead of on Allen's playmaking. Of course if it works I wouldn't be complaining about it so yes there is some hindsight analysis here.

 

I actually think running first and second down is almost the bigger error. I like the idea you mix a pass in on first or second down when the D is very likely to play run. 

[PromoTheRobot]

16 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

He has been inconsistent this entire season, hasn’t developed a steady downfield passing game, doesn’t know how to scheme open his WRs. And he can be way too predictable sometimes. 

 

But at the same time the Bills scored 28 unanswered points against the top team in the AFC. James Cook is a legitimate super star. And Allen statistically is having another MVP worthy season. The offense itself seems much more physical than previous seasons where it was more of a finesse offense under Daboll & Dorsey. 

 

What do you think ? Obviously we need an entire season to really evaluate everything, but where do you stand at the moment? 

 

The other team is trying to stop you. Sometimes they succeed. Then you adjust.  It's the NFL.

[Bockeye]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

The offense wasn’t an issue with this game. Our defense has given up 34 and 31 points over the last 2 games. The Ravens just shut out the Bengals. Our defense, with an exception of 1-2 players, is still a big question mark and remains a big concern. 

We need Benford and Oliver back asap.  Still hurting that we lost Hoecht - he looked to be a game changer for us.

 

At least Bosa is playing great for us. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

16 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

He has been inconsistent this entire season, hasn’t developed a steady downfield passing game, doesn’t know how to scheme open his WRs. And he can be way too predictable sometimes. 

 

But at the same time the Bills scored 28 unanswered points against the top team in the AFC. James Cook is a legitimate super star. And Allen statistically is having another MVP worthy season. The offense itself seems much more physical than previous seasons where it was more of a finesse offense under Daboll & Dorsey. 

 

What do you think ? Obviously we need an entire season to really evaluate everything, but where do you stand at the moment? 

It's hard to sum my thoughts up:

 

I don't think he utilizes Allen well. Running is important, screens are important, but a 50.5% rush rate and screens in critical situations take away from what our QB does best. He's also had some atrocious offensive game-plans and in game decisions. 
 

On the same coin, we never gave Brady the personnel to actually run a dangerous passing offense like he did at LSU. He does call his offense like he hates his WRs outside Shakir, and Allen honestly does too. 
 

My prevailing thought with Brady is he probably heads to the college ranks as a HC this summer, but if he does return for year 3 I want to supply him with actual WR talent and see if the Bills are still a run first team (they shouldn't be).