Cosell's Comments on the Bills

[somnus00]

8 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

All true, but I would lean back on who really stands that clearly above us in the AFC? The worst we will get is a 50/50 game. This isn't close to the best iteration of this team. But the competitive landscape is just different this year. 

Agree. The teams that scare me the most in the AFC,  likely won't be in the playoffs.

[JohnNord]

8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

I listened and it was pretty much a takedown.  I think he was overly harsh and I’ll explain why.

First he said that the two turnovers last week were “flukey.”  I’d disagree on the Benford pick 6.  That was a great play.  The tipped INT?  Maybe - but can’t you say the same thing about Houston’s INT to seal the win against Kansas City.  Who was calling that a “flukey” 

 

He also said that Buffalo hasn’t had the talent and it’s been the same case for a few years.  

Yet, Buffalo has finished as the #2 seed both years and was a few plays away from going to the Super Bowl last year.   How do you explain that?  Is McDermott a better coach than we give him credit for!?!?!?
 

So, I’m feeling that his comments were a bit harsh.  Not sure why.  He does a segment every Friday on One Bills Live and he’s never that down on the team 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

I listened and it was pretty much a takedown.  I think he was overly harsh and I’ll explain why.

First he said that the two turnovers last week were “flukey.”  I’d disagree on the Benford pick 6.  That was a great play.  The tipped INT?  Maybe - but can’t you say the same thing about Houston’s INT to seal the win against Kansas City.  Who was calling that a “flukey” 

 

He also said that Buffalo hasn’t had the talent and it’s been the same case for a few years.  

Yet, Buffalo has finished as the #2 seed both years and was a few plays away from going to the Super Bowl last year.   How do you explain that?  Is McDermott a better coach than we give him credit for!?!?!?
 

So, I’m feeling that his comments were a bit harsh.  Not sure why.  He does a segment every Friday on One Bills Live and he’s never that down on the team 

Thank you for finally coming to the point I've been making here for a long time 

 

McDermott has done a hell of a coaching job with this roster 

 

Whether we're the six best roster or the 9th best roster regardless he's not underperforming with nine pro bowlers yearly 

 

he's doing a very good coaching job

[HamptonBillsfan]

23 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Have to disagree with your take here. The Bills offense isn't as good as you as you portray. There have been many games where this offense hasn't looked good. It hasn't been long when this offense for lack of a better word looked like dog poop. There are several reasons why. You can pick amongst them. I'm not saying it sucks but I don't view it as an elite offense. It's as good as it is mainly because of Allen and Cook. I don't think teams fear or game plan for Kincaid or anyone else. 

 

I do look forward to playoff Josh Allen. He's been a beast thus far and I'm hoping that continues. He will have to be superman for this team to make a super bowl run. 

 

Go Bills!!!

 

 

You can use any creative description of our offense that you wish but the facts are  we average 29 and give up 22 a game. It’s not always pretty but with the 11/2 TOs we force a game average, you’re in every game. Throw in we’re a great 2nd half team and that’s why Vegas likes us to win some playoff games.

[Victory Formation]

And while everything Mr. Cosell said was true, I’ve seen worse teams win the Super Bowl. If we get hot at the right time we’re as good as any..

[HamptonBillsfan]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I listened and it was pretty much a takedown.  I think he was overly harsh and I’ll explain why.

First he said that the two turnovers last week were “flukey.”  I’d disagree on the Benford pick 6.  That was a great play.  The tipped INT?  Maybe - but can’t you say the same thing about Houston’s INT to seal the win against Kansas City.  Who was calling that a “flukey” 

 

He also said that Buffalo hasn’t had the talent and it’s been the same case for a few years.  

Yet, Buffalo has finished as the #2 seed both years and was a few plays away from going to the Super Bowl last year.   How do you explain that?  Is McDermott a better coach than we give him credit for!?!?!?
 

So, I’m feeling that his comments were a bit harsh.  Not sure why.  He does a segment every Friday on One Bills Live and he’s never that down on the team 

Cosell plays to his audience. When he’s local with Tasker and Chris he’s a Bills enthusiast. On the national show with Colin he tempers his Bills enthusiasm. He tries to let his film study translate to the viability of a team’s prospects but he doesn’t value intangibles enough. His assessment of talent on  our team doesn’t explain why their record is so incredible at home and in December. The team plays it’s best when the games get really meaningful.

[newcam2012]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Kincaid has the third highest yards per route ran in NFL history for a season for a tight end 

 

That's crazy to think if you don't think people are going to game plan for him lol

 

He literally was a focal point as a rookie that defensive coordinators would game plan against and he's much better today

I think defenses will focus on him because he's one of the few legitimate pass catchers the Bills have. Of course he's the focal point. He's very good but I still don't think teams fear him. He's no Gronk, Hernandez, or Kelce. To boot, the guy can't stay healthy.

 

Watch last year's last play of the KC home loss in the playoffs. 

Edited 12 hours ago by newcam2012

[US Egg]

Don’t get the uproar, it’s not really disparaging or discouraging. Made for a good thread though. 

[newcam2012]

Ok I'm going to be quiet now. Sorry if I over did it. 

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[T master]

18 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

Well at the beginning of the season we all including the so called "Experts" said given who they brought in to replace the WR's that had left was a big upgrade from last season and it made we the fans believe this was it before it ever started & the SB was ours to have .

 

The dream season was finally here with it being the last season in our old house & it would be the perfect send off for the old gal to give a Lombardi to her for all the years of service the dream was huge, but the new players were less than all those experts said they were or the injury bug bit them .

 

But here we all are with this team sitting this year with some 38 different injured players through out the year with the chance to still be in the play offs and once there you never know what could happen . The Bills have some players getting healthy & others playing good at this time so anything can happen .

 

Have faith Bills Mafia please kick the Boo Birds/haters to the curb and let the cards fall where they may but always stick behind our team !! GO BILLS !!! 

[eball]

I don’t think Cosell is biased, but I also think this sort of analysis does a great disservice to things like the Buffalo OL, which is clearly one of the best in the league.  Is Cook not a superstar?  Kincaid is absolutely a difference maker when he’s out there.  Yes, we know the WR room sucks.

 

On defense — Oliver has been missing.  Is Benford not a playmaker?  Bosa?

 

I think it’s folly to equate number of Pro Bowl players on a team with the overall quality of the team.  Very often the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

 

And yes, we have Superman at QB and I’m not about to complain about it or apologize for it.

 

 

[PaattMaann]

His comments are spot on, and he says it repeatedly on Fridays on One Bills Live (the ONLY listenable thing on WGR - except for anytime Sal is on, but I don't listen to it enough to catch when he is on). 

 

This take would be different IF we had a healthy Ed Oliver and Michael Hoecht (and Bosa). Then the defensive front could really get after opposing QBs and put pressure on all game long, allowing our offense to be a little more free with their style of play and not have the players and coaches worry about one mistake costing them the game. 

 

Offensively, we are one draft pick away from being really complete. IF Coleman was a hit, we have our number 1 WR and the rest of the room (and offense) is all lifted because of it.

 

I can't pretend that our very good TE room, dominant o-line, elite RB and best QB in the game is not a huge problem for other teams to prepare for. This isn't a "dire straits" situation that many on here pretend it is.

[newcam2012]

33 minutes ago, T master said:

Well at the beginning of the season we all including the so called "Experts" said given who they brought in to replace the WR's that had left was a big upgrade from last season and it made we the fans believe this was it before it ever started & the SB was ours to have .

 

The dream season was finally here with it being the last season in our old house & it would be the perfect send off for the old gal to give a Lombardi to her for all the years of service the dream was huge, but the new players were less than all those experts said they were or the injury bug bit them .

 

But here we all are with this team sitting this year with some 38 different injured players through out the year with the chance to still be in the play offs and once there you never know what could happen . The Bills have some players getting healthy & others playing good at this time so anything can happen .

 

Have faith Bills Mafia please kick the Boo Birds/haters to the curb and let the cards fall where they may but always stick behind our team !! GO BILLS !!! 

Flawed rationale. Those who are critical of the Bills players, coaches, organization, etc... do stick by their team. The very nature of their criticisms often are a result of their passion for the team. 

 

Go Bills. 

 

 

 

[MasterStrategist]

19 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

I agree with the part on WR core / receiving weapons -- but beyond that...

 

We have a very very good OL and a top tier RB.  Anytime you can have a strong OL/run game, that masks a lot of weaknesses elsewhere.  I think we do need to scheme open the passing game, and that's the main issue.  But as long as Josh gets adequate protection, he doesn't have to be superman --- teams have to account for spying him - that takes away 1 defender, and we have what I'd consider an efficient offense when we don't turn the ball over.

 

I think we have a budding secondary and a solid LB core still.  Taron has lost a step and having to start Poyer isn't ideal but we are set up nicely at both corner spots & 1 safety.  DL is where missing Oliver is the main issue -- he is our playmaker up-front, and frees up so much with Groot/Bosa.  Couple that, with missing Hoecht who was perfect for the role they used him for, prior to injury.

 

We aren't the most talented team, that's for sure.  But you can win the SB with a strong OL, stud QB, and strong defense.  We're missing alot of pieces on defense, but they are improving IMO with a lot of new pieces.

[newcam2012]

47 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I agree with the part on WR core / receiving weapons -- but beyond that...

 

We have a very very good OL and a top tier RB.  Anytime you can have a strong OL/run game, that masks a lot of weaknesses elsewhere.  I think we do need to scheme open the passing game, and that's the main issue.  But as long as Josh gets adequate protection, he doesn't have to be superman --- teams have to account for spying him - that takes away 1 defender, and we have what I'd consider an efficient offense when we don't turn the ball over.

 

I think we have a budding secondary and a solid LB core still.  Taron has lost a step and having to start Poyer isn't ideal but we are set up nicely at both corner spots & 1 safety.  DL is where missing Oliver is the main issue -- he is our playmaker up-front, and frees up so much with Groot/Bosa.  Couple that, with missing Hoecht who was perfect for the role they used him for, prior to injury.

 

We aren't the most talented team, that's for sure.  But you can win the SB with a strong OL, stud QB, and strong defense.  We're missing alot of pieces on defense, but they are improving IMO with a lot of new pieces.

I really don't think the Bills have a strong defense. I think at best we can hope they come up with timely stops and create turnovers. 

 

Bishop coming into his own really helps the secondary. Poyer is serviceable as is Tre. The pass rush is outright terrible. Could be the worst in the league. I believe this will likely lead to a Bills playoff exit. I think you are over estimating the Bills D. Imho, it's probably the worst it's been in several years. 

 

The Bills best hope is Allen being Superman. He's capable of it but it's a tall task and a hard way to win. Teams will absolutely force the Bills to pass. No way will they not try to take away Cook and Allen's legs. Perhaps it's harder to do than say. We will see for sure. 

 

Let's not pretend like the Bills offense is a well oiled machine. For several recent games the offense played like dog poop. They were major contributors to the Bills lack of success. They even struggled in the first half vs a bad Cincinnati defense. 

 

Like others stated the AFC seems wide open and the Bills have Allen. Hopefully, the Bills can hoist that elusive Lombardi trophy. 

[Draconator]

17 hours ago, BobD said:

I just heard the same thing. A couple of thoughts, 1.) Colin is never a Bill's Fan, he is basically a west coast guy and always leaves out Bills when he talks about best teams. He has just recently jumped on the Josh Allen wagon in the last 2 years. 2.) I agree with you on Cossell. He knows his stuff and I like him a lot. I do believe he is correct about the Bills not having any special players on both offense and defense, but I might argue that James Cook is a special player. 3.) I would agree that the Bills have missed the boat on giving Josh some special receivers to throw to, that has been painstakingly obvious this year. But it is not like they haven't tried. Coleman is not working out and you can argue that they could have had James Worthy, but he is not a true # 1 either. They will have to make a trade this offseason to get someone in here as well as draft some receivers. 4.) Colin made the comment that the Bills front office has failed at drafting good WR and he said each year "there are 20 receivers that come into the NFL and make an impact." That is pure BS, no way there are 20 WR that come into the NFL in their first year and make an impact. It is clearly like 3-5 that actually come in and hit the ground running. Buffalo drafts too low to get lucky there, that's why I expect a trade this offseason. 

 

Some of the best analysis I've seen here in a while. Thanks! 

[wagne591]

He didn't say anything we don't already know by watching this team all year.  Let's be honest.  We are lacking play makers more on Defense then Offense.  I think offense will come together with Kincaid back, cook, and Allen.  But Defense really the only game changers we have Oliver, Benford, Bosa make big plays in a game then get hurt at practice.  

 

[GunnerBill]

21 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

All true, but I would lean back on who really stands that clearly above us in the AFC? The worst we will get is a 50/50 game. This isn't close to the best iteration of this team. But the competitive landscape is just different this year. 

 

That is a fair point. I think the Broncos are the one where I go "yea that's a pretty talented roster" but then Nix, while capable, feels like a limitation that could well bite them against an Allen or even a Stroud or a Herbert if they got hot in a playoff game.

[TheFunPolice]

I think part of it was keeping Allen under wraps as long as possible to keep him fresh for the playoffs. 

 

Look at Jackson: hamstring injury, knee injury, a shell of himself. Not able to really run. 

 

Very very rarely is a QB  able to just put on the cape and become undefendable. And it doesn't usually last long. Cam Newton is the last guy I can remember who could physically take over a game. People forget just how unbelievable he was for a couple of years. He was undefendable. 

 

Allen is even better, and I can totally see him simply taking over playoff games and leading us all the way. It's not something you would ideally count on, but when you have a cheat code you might as well use it.