Game week thread - Bengals at Bills (flexed to 1pm ET)

[transplantbillsfan]

As scary as the Bengals are (and they absolutely are), Beane and McDermott have constructed our D specifically to stop teams like this that are so pass heavy.

 

Our back 7 have actually played awesome against the pass pretty consistently this year and with Shaq at MLB, I like our defensive chances against Burrow.

[mannc]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Whenever I hear “injury prone” for a player like Kincaid, I go back to Paul Posluzny, who was universally regarded as “injury prone” when he played for the Bills. Once he left Buffalo for Jacksonville, though, he missed very few games in the 7 seasons he played for them. In five of the 7 seasons, he played every game, and another he played 14 out of 16 games. My point is, while some players ARE injury prone and some are also iron men (ie, Josh Allen, Brett Favre, and even Dion Dawkins), for the majority of players who do miss time, more often than not it’s just bad luck and not a function of internal makeup. Kincaid has played in 42 out of 49 games so far (including playoffs), and hamstring pulls are very common occurrences for all players. So I’m not willing to declare him injury prone just yet.

 

By way of comparison, TE Hunter Henry missed a LOT of time early on in his career, but he is basically an iron man now. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HenrHu00.htm

It may sound silly, but Kincaid just doesn’t pass the eye test for me…I don’t care what the official measurements say, he does not look like he’s built to take the pounding of an NFL TE. He looks more like a wide receiver…it just seems like his body isn’t going to hold up in this league.  It’s one thing after another and I don’t expect that to change.

Edited 1 hour ago by mannc

[mannc]

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

As scary as the Bengals are (and they absolutely are), Beane and McDermott have constructed our D specifically to stop teams like this that are so pass heavy.

 

Our back 7 have actually played awesome against the pass pretty consistently this year and with Shaq at MLB, I like our defensive chances against Burrow.

The key will be to get out in front.  If the Bengals get a lead and can be multi-dimensional, it will be a big problem.

[RichRiderBills]

25 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

As scary as the Bengals are (and they absolutely are), Beane and McDermott have constructed our D specifically to stop teams like this that are so pass heavy.

 

Our back 7 have actually played awesome against the pass pretty consistently this year and with Shaq at MLB, I like our defensive chances against Burrow.

 

Didn't seem it in that playoff game though. 

[BuffaloBillies]

Bengals are a concerning menace for sure, and the score vs the Ravens last week (32-14) makes everyone freak out that the Bengals and Burrow "are back."

 

But a few things about that game vs the Ravens...

 

- Was the worst game I've ever seen the Ravens play, like ever

- Ravens had FIVE turnovers, including one with Likely going into the endzone. These were not takeaways by the Bengals, just shear sloppiness from the Ravens.

- Bengals were 1 of 6 in the Red Zone (17%)

- Burrow had a 52% completion rate (24/46)

- Despite nearly double the time of possession (~39 to ~21 minutes) and way more plays (80 to 57), Bengals only had 36 more total yards (382 to 346)

 

I think it works out nicely that the Bills are taking the Bengals so seriously after this win last week (as you should vs every team regardless), but don't let last week's score scare you too much. The Bengals really didn't do a whole lot, the Ravens just stunk really bad. 

 

[dave mcbride]

41 minutes ago, mannc said:

It may sound silly, but Kincaid just doesn’t pass the eye test for me…I don’t care what the official measurements say, he does not look like he’s built to take the pounding of an NFL TE. He looks more like a wide receiver…it just seems like his body isn’t going to hold up in this league.  It’s one thing after another and I don’t expect that to change.

I mean, you could say the same about Mike Gesicki's build, and he's missed hardly any time in his career. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

15 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

this is surprising to say the least

Tre, Bishop, Benford, and Lewis have completion percentages under 60% this season, Hairston is under 50%. 

[mannc]

16 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I mean, you could say the same about Mike Gesicki's build, and he's missed hardly any time in his career. 

For whatever reason, Gesicki never seems to get hit hard, kind of like Tyreek Hill…and of course, the next block Gisecki throws will be his first.

[Buffalo Ballin]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

It may sound silly, but Kincaid just doesn’t pass the eye test for me…I don’t care what the official measurements say, he does not look like he’s built to take the pounding of an NFL TE. He looks more like a wide receiver…it just seems like his body isn’t going to hold up in this league.  It’s one thing after another and I don’t expect that to change.

The people who said that Kincaid "is too skinny" during the Summer were right all along.

 

Cue up that thread.

[QLBillsFan]

17 hours ago, boyst said:

We traded up for Kincaid. A few more piicks gets us Flowers. Or Jordan Addison. Or JSN or  Quienten Johnston. 3 of those would upgrade the roster for us instantly. 

 

We also needed LB which could have moved back and got Nolan Smith.  

 

We also needed CB, Joey Porter Jr.

 

We didn't need a TE

And Kincaid hasn’t brought as much to the Bills as QJ?? 😂 ask some LAC fans. He was a good pick. Plenty of other poor picks to attack instead of Kincaid. 

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

The people who said that Kincaid "is too skinny" during the Summer were right all along.

 

Cue up that thread.

His injury last year was caused by a bad pass by 17.. this year it’s a hamstring. I love how people think a hamstring is nothing. Check the league every team has these issues. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

It may sound silly, but Kincaid just doesn’t pass the eye test for me…I don’t care what the official measurements say, he does not look like he’s built to take the pounding of an NFL TE. He looks more like a wide receiver…it just seems like his body isn’t going to hold up in this league.  It’s one thing after another and I don’t expect that to change.

 

Maybe, but his injuries the past couple years have been non-contact. I don't think that's a size issue. The knee injury that popped up on the report yesterday must have happened in practice where there isn't any real contact.

 

There have been constant soft tissue injuries popping up with this team all year long, and really for the past few years. I don't want to automatically blame the training staff, it could just be bad luck, but the problem has been so persistent and happening to so many different players that it makes you wonder if some part of our conditioning process is broken. Things like Josh Palmer randomly popping up as a DNP out of nowhere and McDermott saying "it doesn't look good" in his last presser, that kind of thing doesn't seem to happen to other teams, certainly not with the frequency it happens here. I'm at a loss.

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Maybe, but his injuries the past couple years have been non-contact. I don't think that's a size issue. The knee injury that popped up on the report yesterday must have happened in practice where there isn't any real contact.

 

There have been constant soft tissue injuries popping up with this team all year long, and really for the past few years. I don't want to automatically blame the training staff, it could just be bad luck, but the problem has been so persistent and happening to so many different players that it makes you wonder if some part of our conditioning process is broken. Things like Josh Palmer randomly popping up as a DNP out of nowhere and McDermott saying "it doesn't look good" in his last presser, that kind of thing doesn't seem to happen to other teams, certainly not with the frequency it happens here. I'm at a loss.

It’s also some of the players we draft and bring in. 
 

Chargers fans are all over social media telling us yeaaaaa this is Josh Palmer.. makes a few plays, you think he could be something and then he’s out 6 weeks and nobody even knows how he got hurt. 

[finn]

44 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Tre, Bishop, Benford, and Lewis have completion percentages under 60% this season, Hairston is under 50%. 

How about Taron? My sense is that Taron and Bernard aren't carrying their weight out there, and most everyone else is. (Not sure about Milano.)

[mannc]

24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Maybe, but his injuries the past couple years have been non-contact. I don't think that's a size issue. The knee injury that popped up on the report yesterday must have happened in practice where there isn't any real contact.

 

There have been constant soft tissue injuries popping up with this team all year long, and really for the past few years. I don't want to automatically blame the training staff, it could just be bad luck, but the problem has been so persistent and happening to so many different players that it makes you wonder if some part of our conditioning process is broken. Things like Josh Palmer randomly popping up as a DNP out of nowhere and McDermott saying "it doesn't look good" in his last presser, that kind of thing doesn't seem to happen to other teams, certainly not with the frequency it happens here. I'm at a loss.

IIRC, last year Kincaid had a concussion and a shoulder injury, among other.  I consider those contact injuries.

[QLBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, mannc said:

IIRC, last year Kincaid had a concussion and a shoulder injury, among other.  I consider those contact injuries.

DD and plenty of big players get concussed.. Spencer has a shoulder. It’s a contact sport. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

It may sound silly, but Kincaid just doesn’t pass the eye test for me…I don’t care what the official measurements say, he does not look like he’s built to take the pounding of an NFL TE. He looks more like a wide receiver…it just seems like his body isn’t going to hold up in this league.  It’s one thing after another and I don’t expect that to change.

Health wise specifically I guess I could see that. Skill wise I think he’s underrated if anything tbh but idk how hot of a take that is 😂. 
 

we get hung up on ‘he’s officially a TE not a receiver’ but he’s doing everything everyone wants a wr1 to do with threatening downfield and he’s really tough to cover with a corner..  if we broke down production on a snap count basis he’s gotta be way up there statistically. 
 

they’ll pick up his 5th year option but if he continues to get banged up the next few years I’m assuming he’ll be out after that.  You just know he’s gonna go to another team and be always healthy and an absolute monster though haha that seems like something that would happen to us 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Anyone know what time the injury report comes out?