According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch (rumored for Texans game too)

[Beck Water]

10 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Unless there is someone you are very certain is going to be a long term starter available when picking, I think the modern NFL salary cap structure requires taking someone who can do something immediately.  For example, Worthy was fast and can catch a football.  Also small and not likely to last much longer than a first contract.  Using any first first round or second round pick to select a young "development project." is not the correct strategy in my opinion.  Drafting guys who are going be NFL ready just in time for their second contract seems to also lead to the next problem "lets overpay this guy, because we didn't get enough out of him before, but if he plays well next, it will somehow justify the previous wasted years"

 

I agree with you that (what I perceive as) Beane's late 1st round draft strategy (go for high ceiling guys who need development) is problematic.

[NoSaint]

20 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree with you that (what I perceive as) Beane's late 1st round draft strategy (go for high ceiling guys who need development) is problematic.

paired with doing it at premium positions that are also positions of need…

 

it’s very boom or bust in strategy - which I get is the way you find a premium DE, WR, or CB as a perennially strong team…. But hurts bad when it’s also immediate need based and misses 

[Bray Wyatt]

Can we play Keon at TE? lol

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

Can we play Keon at TE? lol

 

We're already 3 deep there. Need him to step up to DE at this point.

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

Scratch times 2 is Elam city. It’s ova for Keon

 

It's NFL.... This has to be a huge blow to his ego...  But he didn't even really get full real practice week... Like a real practice week too work hard and show he could change.... 

 

This little short week isn't enough time to change any minds..  probably had no chance of playing 

 

If he works hard in practice for a couple weeks and the Offense is lagging again he mite get another chance 

[HamptonBillsfan]

1 minute ago, RkFast said:

 

Beane has his faults but lets pump the brakes here. The Buffalo Bills are widely considered to have one of the best front offices in the game. They are consistently ranked in the top 10 and often top 5 in player and NFL peer rankings. A TON of that is due to Brandon Beane and what he has built.

I understand that having the Bills record of division titles gets sports media to assign credit to a front office for personnel decisions and coaching hires, but the team doesn’t pass the eyeball test to keen observers. Will you as a Beane supporter acknowledge that after Diggs, he has not brought in an adequate group of receivers to support the best arm talent QB in football? Would you acknowledge his last 3 drafts has not netted a game changing skill position or defensive player? Between the whiff on Coleman and the cap restrictions caused by extending or keeping injury prone or unproductive players that prevent acquisitions, he has reduced our defensive unit to mediocre at best and made bringing in a vertical threat receiver at the deadline impossible.We don’t stop the run and our secondary lacks quality depth. An elite GM shouldn’t allow a HOF QB to look as frustrated and impotent as Josh looked against Miami if he can make a move to improve the team. See what Philly, Seattle did.

[stlbills13]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

It's NFL.... This has to be a huge blow to his ego...  But he didn't even really get full real practice week... Like a real practice week too work hard and show he could change.... 

 

This little short week isn't enough time to change any minds..  probably had no chance of playing 

 

If he works hard in practice for a couple weeks and the Offense is lagging again he mite get another chance 

 

This is a very reasonable take. The Bills had 3 walkthroughs this week and really only had 2 full days in team facilities. I think with the mini-bye after this, the coaches will get a better idea of how Coleman has responded (although Thanksgiving may impact that). But if the passing game looks really good again this week, it'd be pretty hard to justify bringing him back just from that perspective. 

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

yes sir

https://sportdfw.com/cowboys-kaiir-elam-trade-certified-disaster-4-games-01k6b1cypzh9

 

Cowboys' Kaiir Elam Trade Is Certified Disaster After 4 Games

The Dallas Cowboys' secondary has left plenty to be desired, and a lot of that falls on Kaiir Elam.

 

Elam and Keon- nice picks Beane!

That's just scratching the surface on Beanes picks.  He has been horrible after drafting Josh and Tremaine

2 hours ago, CirclnWagons said:

My thoughts exactly. If there’s one thing you can say for this organization it’s usually they do make some effort to keep the drama in house 

It's like my neighbors fighting all the time, they try to keep the drama in house but its soo out of hand and loud all the neighbors can hear it and see it

Edited 1 hour ago by Gunsgoodtime

[nosejob]

I don't why there has to be so much wizardry involved with the 1st pick. To me there's only 2 things...

 

1. college production     not" potential"

2. can start day 1           no sr. yr. injury at all.

 

Not rocket science

 

 

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

That's just scratching the surface on Beanes picks.  He has been horrible after drafting Josh and Tremaine

Beane should get a ton of credit for Josh Allen and building an elite OL with the help of Aaron Kromer.

 

James Cook was a home run of a pick with the multiple trade downs and still getting one of the best RB’s in the league and then extending him on a somewhat team friendly contract compared to what Cook would get on the open market. 
 

After that, it goes downhill pretty quickly.  Some hits in the mid/late rounds but those guys don’t have the ceiling of early round picks .. which is why we have extensions for guys like Shakir and Benford and they’re simply good to very good, but not elite players. 
 

Hes left Josh out to dry at WR and I don’t care if Josh liked Keon or not .. the staff should know Josh needs separators.  See guy open, arm cannon the ball to the WR.  He’s not an anticipation/jump ball QB. 
 

The philosophy for drafting Kincaid made zero sense and has been evident in the fact he plays like 30% of snaps per game as a big slot. 
 

He cares way too much about spending money/draft capital on the upper middle of the roster as opposed to getting an elite guy … evidenced once again by valuing a late 1st this coming Draft over getting Josh Allen a WR the caliber of Waddle. 
 

I will say, to his Defense, the DL - if they stayed healthy - might be a Top 5 group in the NFL.   But given how obsessed he is with getting it right, how do you lose two players and it becomes a massive liability?  We desperately need more from the DL and we can’t even rest Bosa to get him right because our trade up early 2nd RD pick at DT is having to play DE snaps?  We also lost Jackson, but he was destined for a redshirt year anyway as a 3rd round pick.  The bigger issue is we can’t rest Bosa, because our 20M per year extension EDGE doesn’t rush the passer well enough.  
 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by SCBills

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

Coleman was the 8th WR taken and we traded down twice. If Allen wanted him, we would have drafted him at 30th. Stop billieving internet lies.

These people saying Josh wanted Keon  spin it like he was Josh's suggestion watch a lot if msm news.  They love to spin, cut/paste qoutes and videos to fit their narrative and turn the truth into a complete lie

[Beck Water]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It's NFL.... This has to be a huge blow to his ego...  But he didn't even really get full real practice week... Like a real practice week too work hard and show he could change.... 

 

This little short week isn't enough time to change any minds..  probably had no chance of playing 

 

If he works hard in practice for a couple weeks and the Offense is lagging again he mite get another chance 

 

I think the bottom line is production.  If Shavers continues to "go off" and Gabe Davis is truly healed from his knee injury and able to contribute, that gives Josh two targets he trusts, who seem to be giving good effort to run good routes and be in the right place at the right time.  Gabe will be "QB friendly" when the play breaks down.  As long as that happens, Keon may find himself on the outside looking in.

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I also am diagnosed with ADHD and same. Football had me focused. I’m also 15-30 mins early for everything. 

 

Would you be open to letting keon spotlight you? So he learns what it means to be prompt 

[uticaclub]

1 hour ago, RkFast said:

 

Beane has his faults but lets pump the brakes here. The Buffalo Bills are widely considered to have one of the best front offices in the game. They are consistently ranked in the top 10 and often top 5 in player and NFL peer rankings. A TON of that is due to Brandon Beane and what he has built.

He's only in the top ten because of his longevity. Missing out on players like Miller, Hoecht, Samuel, and Palmer’s contracts, along with the many Day 2 defensive picks that haven't made a big impact, would have probably cost other GMs their jobs. But since he chose Josh Allen, that really makes up for a lot.

[Johnnycage46]

51 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I agree with you that (what I perceive as) Beane's late 1st round draft strategy (go for high ceiling guys who need development) is problematic.

 

Right? Kind of the exact opposite of early round strategy vs. later round strategy. Early, go for the "sure things" and later go for the "upside" guys. And to Beane's credit, he has some history with the mid-round guys definitely working out...less so with the early round guys (Allen of course).

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Right? Kind of the exact opposite of early round strategy vs. later round strategy. Early, go for the "sure things" and later go for the "upside" guys. And to Beane's credit, he has some history with the mid-round guys definitely working out...less so with the early round guys (Allen of course).

Late 2nd Cook.  Late 2nd Torrence. Jumped NE in the 3rd for Brown. 
 

Three pretty massive building blocks around Josh Allen. 
 

Signing Ty Johnson. 

If only Beane could do at WR what he’s clearly capable of doing at OL/RB. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, RkFast said:

 

Beane has his faults but lets pump the brakes here. The Buffalo Bills are widely considered to have one of the best front offices in the game. They are consistently ranked in the top 10 and often top 5 in player and NFL peer rankings. A TON of that is due to Brandon Beane and what he has built.

 

The problem here is the majority of posters think with their emotions and not their brains.  

 

How many posts there were  3 years ago ripping S Brown and stating the Bills need to get rid of him.  Many of the same posters 2 years ago were saying how much of an improvement there is from Bernard over Edwards, now they want to git rid of Bernard and ripping Beane for extending him.   There's many other players here fit similar profile of people here having no patience.   Yes does it look like they are correct on Coleman and were on Elam, but I'd be willing to bet anyone that I'd be correct more than they would about which player will suck if I can take every player in the league as many more players fail than ever succeed.

 

I didn't see it posted here, but one rumor I heard Coleman's being benched tonight because he doesn't want to learn to play ST which where he is on the depth chart right now, he needs to.

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The problem here is the majority of posters think with their emotions and not their brains.  

 

How many posts there were  3 years ago ripping S Brown and stating the Bills need to get rid of him.  Many of the same posters 2 years ago were saying how much of an improvement there is from Bernard over Edwards, now they want to git rid of Bernard and ripping Beane for extending him.   There's many other players here fit similar profile of people here having no patience.   Yes does it look like they are correct on Coleman and were on Elam, but I'd be willing to bet anyone that I'd be correct more than they would about which player will suck if I can take every player in the league as many more players fail than ever succeed.

 

I didn't see it posted here, but one rumor I heard Coleman's being benched tonight because he doesn't want to learn to play ST which where he is on the depth chart right now, he needs to.

The problem is, when it comes to fan criticism, is the fanbase/content creator community overwhelmingly disliked or were meh on guys like Elam, Keon (don’t fit what we do) and Carter, Jackson (just aren’t good enough) and here we are with 4 recent premium picks and nada, nothing.   
 

You can’t predict injury, typically, but it’s pretty obvious we need more from early round picks … and we need more early in their careers ..  not year 3 and then we have to make a decision to pay them. 
 

Nevermind another a recent high pick in Kincaid, who’s good when on the field, but can’t get on the field because A) Struggles blocking DE/LB’s and B) Is made of glass. 

[NoSaint]

54 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

It's NFL.... This has to be a huge blow to his ego...  But he didn't even really get full real practice week... Like a real practice week too work hard and show he could change.... 

 

This little short week isn't enough time to change any minds..  probably had no chance of playing 

 

If he works hard in practice for a couple weeks and the Offense is lagging again he mite get another chance 

I guess it’s a matter of whether the topic was “we are benching you for performance” vs “we are holding you out for a game due to conduct”

 

personally, I don’t care but it may drastically shape how he reacts to the extension here 

[Royale with Cheese]

I want to know is how did Keon get a commercial?