Is it the receivers or Brady

[Johnnycage46]

Yes.

[oldmanfan]

Both.  I’d say more Brady.  With a similar receiver set last year we used that 4 + 1 formation and no one could stop it.  Where did that go?  Where did who Josh called the best third down back in football, Johnson, go?  

[JMM]

Call me old school, or just plain old. 😌 But for the LIFE of me, I simply CANNOT BELIEVE  that this team for two straight years doesn't attempt deep passes PURPOSELY,  not off a Josh scramble, at least 2-3 times a game. I know Josh doesn't throw a great deep ball. I DONT CARE. I know we don't have burners. I DON'T CARE.  You attempt the bomb. You can get a catch, you can get a PI. Yes it can be incomplete,  or a INT. I DON'T CARE. Because it reflects AGRESSIVENESS. It FORCES the D to at least respect the deep third. Teams are DARING us to go deep, and we say ah that's ok, here's a bubble screen. Now Josh was asked about this today, and he paused and said " I have to give guys chances", so perhaps some of it is on him as well.  But it HAS TO CHANGE. NOW.

[MasterStrategist]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

We have to see the season ends.  But even if they finish 8-9 Beane is safe IMO.  
 

look at how Terry runs the Sabres.  That will give you clues how he’ll handle Beane/McD

Yeah Im not a Sabres fan, from Pitt so Pens are my team in hockey.  Long story why im a Bills fan.

 

But I'd assume Terry would learn some lessons from the Sabres experiences, as you noted.  At least I'd hope - or thats a much bigger problem in application to the Bills.

 

We shall see - either way, Beane has made good decisions in the past, so Ill be clinging to my optimism if he's still around.  But, I dont think its a smart decision to keep him around into 26+.

[jkeerie]

Brady.  These receivers have been productive playing for other teams.  Production disappears when they play in his schemes. It's like beyond blocking, just run around and get open.

[SC STATE NUPE]

It’s Brady 1000%!!! If the Bills drafted Worthy, he would’ve been Curtis Samuel in this offense. If they drafted McConkey, he would’ve looked terrible in this offense and not see the field much because of his poor run blocking! Those receivers aren’t happy with how they’re being used. They’re half-a__ing  it! Josh is clearly not happy, the receivers aren’t happy, and us fans are not happy. Brady was ran out of Carolina with the quickness!!! He doesn’t know what he’s doing!!!

Edited 1 hour ago by SC STATE NUPE

[GoBills808]

both

65% Brady 35% WRS

[All_Pro_Bills]

31 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Curtis Samuel has five targets on the year. Elijah Moore has nine. Knox came into the game with six. Seems like if the current guys getting all the looks aren't producing, perhaps try calling the number of other receivers who have produced in the past.

Moore and Samuel got open with their former teams and were productive in those systems. With the Bills offense they have single digit receptions. Look how Cooper caught few balls after the trade last season.

I say scheme where the defense can focus on playing near the line of scrimmage because almost everything is short. The safeties creep up and don't worry much about anything over the top.

I wasn't disappointed they didn't get a receiver at the trade deadline because whomever it was in a couple weeks we'd be grumbling this guy suddenly forgot how to get separation. Scheme, and play calling.

 

 

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[Pecker]

Joe Brady’s promotion drove Diggs out of town.  We are starting to understand why. 

[JerseyBills]

17 isn't seeing the field well

[Murdox]

3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

17 isn't seeing the field well

 

It's an avalanche effect - receivers not getting open leads to Allen holding onto the ball too long and makes him jumpy back there. Stop our run game, and most teams just aren't fearing our pass game at the moment.  Where's the deep threat with Palmer and Samuel out?  And now Kincaid is likely out for a week or two.  Not good.

 

Regarding the original post, I think, especially given the injuries, the receivers are more to blame than Brady, but Brady needs to try and find an answer.  Even on the INT in the endzone, the Bills receiver was completely covered.  Josh shouldn't have forced it in there, but given how easily our receivers are being blanketed he needs to try and force some action sometimes.  But, the receivers are really bad, and Keon isn't an NFL caliber receiver.  He just doesn't have the athleticism from what I see.  Beane whiffed there.

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[BVBILLS]

Bench Brady!

[billsbackto81]

35 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Brady

 

I don't get it. He was great at LSU when he had Chase and Jefferson. 🤔

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, Murdox said:

I think, especially given the injuries, the receivers are more to blame than Brady, but he needs to try and find an answer.  Even on the INT in the endzone, the Bills receiver was completely covered.  Josh shouldn't have forced it in there, but given how easily our receivers are being blanketed he needs to try and force some action sometimes.  But, the receivers are really bad, and Keon isn't an NFL calibur receiver.  He just doesn't have the athleticism from what I see.  Beane whiffed there.

On that Int I think Josh's ball placement was poor. He threw the ball inside right into the defender when it should have been outside, in front of the receiver. I watched Stafford execute great ball placement maybe a dozen times today to receivers that were just as well covered. Granted his receiving group is far superior. 

Edited 1 hour ago by All_Pro_Bills

[Kirby Jackson]

Brady hasn’t been good. If we are asking, “what is worse Brady or the receivers” it’s the receivers by 8,000 miles.

 

His scheme worked at LSU. It worked at Carolina and it worked last year with bad players. None of the Bills WRs have proven that they can consistently win. Not one has a track record of success. They’re the 32nd best WRs in the league. Brady hasn’t been good but he’s nowhere near the 32nd ranked OC.

Edited 1 hour ago by Kirby Jackson

[CirclnWagons]

The front office has proven on multiple occasions that their main strategy for winning football games is Josh Allen’s existence. With them refusing to make any moves to give him any support, I wonder if there would be any consideration of letting him run routes and try to maybe throw to himself or possibly start calling the plays. Has he ever played d line? 

[H2o]

It's both. Brady is not some wünderkind like people made him out to be and the WR room is CLEARLY lacking. 

[Murdox]

1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

On that Int I think Josh's ball placement was poor. He threw the ball inside right into the defender when it should have been outside, in front of the receiver. 

 

Quite possible, but the receiver was completely blanketed and we aren't sure where the receiver was supposed to ultimately go.  That said, it's typical of Josh's poor games.  When the run game is stuffed, opposing teams just don't fear our current receiving group.  There isn't a lot of room in there for Josh to place the ball and he starts making questionable decisions.  It is undoubtedly the worst receiving group in the NFL at the moment.

[harmonkillebrew]

42 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

60% scheme, but Coleman/Shavers suck. 

Scheme (or was it GM preference?) also prioritized big bodied physical WRs that can block.  

Our guys get little to no separation and Brady doesn't scheme much for WRs anyways.

We have such little room for error on Offense with long sustained drives and dink and dunk passing. If we're off or have some miscues, we struggle to get chunk plays  and explosive TDs (unless Cook breaks one)

[milfandcookies]

24 minutes ago, JMM said:

Call me old school, or just plain old. 😌 But for the LIFE of me, I simply CANNOT BELIEVE  that this team for two straight years doesn't attempt deep passes PURPOSELY,  not off a Josh scramble, at least 2-3 times a game. I know Josh doesn't throw a great deep ball. I DONT CARE. I know we don't have burners. I DON'T CARE.  You attempt the bomb. You can get a catch, you can get a PI. Yes it can be incomplete,  or a INT. I DON'T CARE. Because it reflects AGRESSIVENESS. It FORCES the D to at least respect the deep third. Teams are DARING us to go deep, and we say ah that's ok, here's a bubble screen. Now Josh was asked about this today, and he paused and said " I have to give guys chances", so perhaps some of it is on him as well.  But it HAS TO CHANGE. NOW.

actually last week some guy on here tried saying they throw more deep passes than the rest of the league combined lol

 

 

but I’m with you. So tired of the backward passes