11/9/25 GAMEDAY Bills at Dolphins Post Game Thread

[thewookie1]

Apparently some Bills people have found some clips of Allen making decisions not to throw it to open-ish receivers.

 

In all honesty I think Allen just doesn't trust what he sees and doesn't trust his players will make the play. I think its less to do with defensive trickery and more to do with his receivers rarely being open. This can create a situation where Allen sees a man running open and then doubts he's actually open due to its rarity. "I see Coleman open, he is rarely open, the Dolphins must be doing something I don't see" 

[fridge]

7 minutes ago, BillytheKid said:

There is a reason no QB and head coach have ever won a Super Bowl together if they don’t do it in the first 5 years together. 
 

Teams start to know their tendencies across the league by that point and enough teams will have game plans that one of them will always knock them out before they win it. 
 

Huge reason Bills and Ravens both need to find new coaches or QB’s. Obviously they will both choose to keep their QB’s first but if they keep the coach it will be the same old thing again and again. Both teams wasting their QB’s with head coaches who can’t take their players any farther. 
 

Have to make a change at coach if the Bills want to win it all. Won’t happen with the coach they have now. History already proves it. There have been 33 of them and they are zero for 33 so far. 

 

McDermott has also proven at this point that he actually doesn't understand how to utilize Allen to his fullest potential. We have completely bought in to our 3 TE running attack and have the highest percentage of rushing plays in the NFL. This is not an offense schemed for an MVP QB. McDermott truly does not value the way we would come out in the Daboll era with 20+ passes and get the offense rolling and a big lead. He wants to eek out wins. That's the mentality when Alex Smith is your QB. It's just a complete mis-match in personnel and coaching philosophy.

And we know its McDermott at this point because EVERY OC reverts to this with him if you give them enough time. He and Daboll aren't on good terms (assuredly a power struggle of some sort), he made Dorsey a scape goat, and now Brady -- who was once running an effective 4WR split shotgun offense in CAR -- is basically trying to just call Kromer's rushing attack every chance he can.

People claiming for a shiny new WR or blaming only Beane don't realize this is EXACTLY what the conservative McDermott wants. He's said as much. He doesn't want us running a no huddle two minute offense because he doesn't want to gas out his defense. He doesn't want to let Josh go off his leash because he's worried about injuries. He doesn't want to have a high octane offense with deep routes because we might throw a pick. McDermott doesn't want to take risks and he has shown this in the way he's built the team.

[Not at the table Karlos]

6 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

Apparently some Bills people have found some clips of Allen making decisions not to throw it to open-ish receivers.

 

In all honesty I think Allen just doesn't trust what he sees and doesn't trust his players will make the play. I think its less to do with defensive trickery and more to do with his receivers rarely being open. This can create a situation where Allen sees a man running open and then doubts he's actually open due to its rarity. "I see Coleman open, he is rarely open, the Dolphins must be doing something I don't see" 

Allen has missed open receivers his entire career.  It happens a lot. It’s not a recent thing that started with this group of receivers. However this group may be making it worse. He’s bailed clean pockets as receivers were coming open only to end up in a poor situation a few times recently, 

[MikePJ76]

3 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Allen has missed open receivers his entire career.  It happens a lot. It’s not a recent thing that started with this group of receivers. However this group may be making it worse. He’s bailed clean pockets as receivers were coming open only to end up in a poor situation a few times recently, 

Everybody misses open guys every game. Go back and watch mahomes last week, he repeatedly threw balls to contested areas when there were other guys open.

 

go look at the deep ball he threw to worthy on max, he had three guys wide open, two of them in the middle of the field and he took the tougher deep ball.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, fridge said:

 

McDermott has also proven at this point that he actually doesn't understand how to utilize Allen to his fullest potential. We have completely bought in to our 3 TE running attack and have the highest percentage of rushing plays in the NFL. This is not an offense schemed for an MVP QB. McDermott truly does not value the way we would come out in the Daboll era with 20+ passes and get the offense rolling and a big lead. He wants to eek out wins. That's the mentality when Alex Smith is your QB. It's just a complete mis-match in personnel and coaching philosophy.

And we know its McDermott at this point because EVERY OC reverts to this with him if you give them enough time. He and Daboll aren't on good terms (assuredly a power struggle of some sort), he made Dorsey a scape goat, and now Brady -- who was once running an effective 4WR split shotgun offense in CAR -- is basically trying to just call Kromer's rushing attack every chance he can.

People claiming for a shiny new WR or blaming only Beane don't realize this is EXACTLY what the conservative McDermott wants. He's said as much. He doesn't want us running a no huddle two minute offense because he doesn't want to gas out his defense. He doesn't want to let Josh go off his leash because he's worried about injuries. He doesn't want to have a high octane offense with deep routes because we might throw a pick. McDermott doesn't want to take risks and he has shown this in the way he's built the team.

All of this is true 

[Chandler#81]

I’m throwing the towel in 🤷‍♂️

 

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, fridge said:

 

People claiming for a shiny new WR or blaming only Beane don't realize this is EXACTLY what the conservative McDermott wants. He's said as much. He doesn't want us running a no huddle two minute offense because he doesn't want to gas out his defense. He doesn't want to let Josh go off his leash because he's worried about injuries. He doesn't want to have a high octane offense with deep routes because we might throw a pick. McDermott doesn't want to take risks and he has shown this in the way he's built the team.

I have been saying this for years. McDermott is the ultimate boss, not Beane. McDermott has two primary concerns. One is defensive tackles, the other is cornerbacks. He has little interest in providing Josh with top notch wideouts. I know, people will point at Keon Coleman but they traded down twice before they drafted him, skipping over a far better wr in the process.

 

 Do look at the 2025 draft. Look at his earliest picks. I don't know how anyone can think that these picks came from Beane. McDermott holds far too much sway in this oeganization. He has since he came to town and gave the Mahomes pick to KC, after which he promptly drafted a (now useless) cornerback.

 

I really do hope that McDermott is not our coach in 2026, but it is like he cast a spell on Mr. Pegula.

 

https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bills

 

[thenorthremembers]

28 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I have been saying this for years. McDermott is the ultimate boss, not Beane. McDermott has two primary concerns. One is defensive tackles, the other is cornerbacks. He has little interest in providing Josh with top notch wideouts. I know, people will point at Keon Coleman but they traded down twice before they drafted him, skipping over a far better wr in the process.

 

 Do look at the 2025 draft. Look at his earliest picks. I don't know how anyone can think that these picks came from Beane. McDermott holds far too much sway in this oeganization. He has since he came to town and gave the Mahomes pick to KC, after which he promptly drafted a (now useless) cornerback.

 

I really do hope that McDermott is not our coach in 2026, but it is like he cast a spell on Mr. Pegula.

 

https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/teams/bills

 

 

You can think it all you want it doesnt make it true.  They both report to Pegula.  McDermott is not Beanes boss.   If Beane is letting McDermott walk all over him its because he doesnt have balls, not because McDermott is the "ultimate boss," whatever that is.

[Chandler#81]

The Bills suck. The Sabres Suck. The long, cold winter is upon us. 
I wanna new Drug!

 

 

[Danger Mouse]

It's quite sad really. There's been a clear philosophy to buliding this team, I think.  But it just hasn't worked has it. 

 

The annoying thing is that the philosophy, far as I can see, simply hasn't taken having an MVP QB into account. It's almost like they've designed a system for a middling franchise to get to the playoffs. And - were it that - it would be fine; brilliant even. With an average QB, the running game and everybody eats idea might have worked. With extra cap room available for genuine DBs, the Bernard focus might have worked in D.

 

But it just feels that the hard work - the having Josh Allen - was already done. And when you have a a gift like that, you don't need to over think the rest. 

 

It feels that now the experiment is a failure. We've gone backwards and the momentum has been lost 

 

Part of sport I think. But this is a sad one. Our game should have been built around Josh being a superstar and instead we've clipped his wings - while paying him superstar money - to create very little aside from an improved running game. 

 

Injuries unhelpful. But everyone has those..

 

Billsy. 

[RichRiderBills]

2 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

It's quite sad really. There's been a clear philosophy to buliding this team, I think.  But it just hasn't worked has it. 

 

The annoying thing is that the philosophy, far as I can see, simply hasn't taken having an MVP QB into account. It's almost like they've designed a system for a middling franchise to get to the playoffs. And - were it that - it would be fine; brilliant even. With an average QB, the running game and everybody eats idea might have worked. With extra cap room available for genuine DBs, the Bernard focus might have worked in D.

 

But it just feels that the hard work - the having Josh Allen - was already done. And when you have a a gift like that, you don't need to over think the rest. 

 

It feels that now the experiment is a failure. We've gone backwards and the momentum has been lost 

 

Part of sport I think. But this is a sad one. Our game should have been built around Josh being a superstar and instead we've clipped his wings - while paying him superstar money - to create very little aside from an improved running game. 

 

Injuries unhelpful. But everyone has those..

 

Billsy. 

 

I think the philosophy was sound 2-3 years ago. That was the window. You get diggs then add Miller. That was the angle. After those faded or sputtered....plan C here has been rough. 

 

My honest take is Mc Dermott defense is just tragically flawed. It's always going to repeat the big play , especially big run flaws. He's too sentimental w players and not innovative. 

[finn]

5 hours ago, fridge said:

 

McDermott has also proven at this point that he actually doesn't understand how to utilize Allen to his fullest potential. We have completely bought in to our 3 TE running attack and have the highest percentage of rushing plays in the NFL. This is not an offense schemed for an MVP QB. McDermott truly does not value the way we would come out in the Daboll era with 20+ passes and get the offense rolling and a big lead. He wants to eek out wins. That's the mentality when Alex Smith is your QB. It's just a complete mis-match in personnel and coaching philosophy.

And we know its McDermott at this point because EVERY OC reverts to this with him if you give them enough time. He and Daboll aren't on good terms (assuredly a power struggle of some sort), he made Dorsey a scape goat, and now Brady -- who was once running an effective 4WR split shotgun offense in CAR -- is basically trying to just call Kromer's rushing attack every chance he can.

People claiming for a shiny new WR or blaming only Beane don't realize this is EXACTLY what the conservative McDermott wants. He's said as much. He doesn't want us running a no huddle two minute offense because he doesn't want to gas out his defense. He doesn't want to let Josh go off his leash because he's worried about injuries. He doesn't want to have a high octane offense with deep routes because we might throw a pick. McDermott doesn't want to take risks and he has shown this in the way he's built the team.

The crowning irony is not that for all his extraordinary skills, Allen isn't particularly good at what McDermott wants, a pocket quarterback who is reliable, accurate, and doesn't take off running (because injuries). So, unbelievably, McDermott is probably frustrated he's been dealt a unicorn who can lift the world on his shoulders. He doesn't want that, and he's been trying for years to change him into an ordinary quarterback so he can win with field goals and a stout defense. As others have said, it's an appalling, disgusting waste of talent, the equivalent of confining Secretariat to a kiddy ride at the State Fair. 

 

Ultimately, what might suck the most is that McDermott and Beane are going nowhere, since Allen is good enough to carry this team to the playoffs every year even deprived of professional receivers. This farce is going to play out until Allen is 33 or 34, when he finally will be traded to a team he promptly takes to a Super Bowl or two. 

 

Frankly, I don't think there's any hope, since it would take an epiphany from Pegula, Beane, and/or McDermott, none of whom have shown evinced any evidence--beyond talk--that they understand what they have in Allen. The only outside chance is that McDermott fires Brady and hires someone he thinks will be a yes-man but who is actually a rebel who gets instant results and so can't be fired.

 

McDermott will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to the Super Bowl. There, as in the 13-second game, Allen WILL deliver, and McDermott WILL play not to lose--and lose. 

Tell me I'm wrong. I very much want to be. 

[Gregg]

14 hours ago, 4th&long said:

We are more than one game out of first in our own division. 

 

No worries. The Jets will do us a favor and beat NE this Thursday night.

[Gregg]

14 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The truth is going to be hard for us Bills fans to accept but going forward Meathead will out coach McD in head to head meetings as well as over the course of a season.  And the Pats front office will outperform the Bills front office.

 

 

 

Until the Bills get a new FO (GM/HC) then you are probably right.

[dgrochester55]

The more i think about things, I blame the system more than the receivers.  Samuel and Moore had some success on other teams, Coleman has shown flashes but is now virtually invisible, even Shakir has dropped a little. Not an elite unit by any means, but on paper, we have had much worse in the past.  In contrast, I remember Fitzy get 300+ yards a game with Stevie Johnson and a bunch of UDFA's and practice squad caliber people. 

 

If a career backup can do that with replacement level players, but a HOF caliber QB can't get anyone open all game with WR's who have starting experience, then it must mean that Brady is not calling the right plays or making the appropriate adjustments.

[Roundybout]

Leave it to the Bills to ruin my birthday weekend, and my fantasy team to put up a complete goose egg 

[SoonerBillsFan]

Allen looks done emotionally. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m throwing the towel in 🤷‍♂️

 

 

You look better in a bikini than I wouldve guess.

[Dillenger4]

21 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Allen looks done emotionally. 

This.

He sulks. Something is way off for him.

Whether it's the rumours about his new wife having mental health issues and questioning the marriage on twitter.

Who knows, surely not I. But there is something wrong with him and it shows.

Oh, and our roster sucks.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

I haven't been this down on the Bills for years. In a third of their games this season they have looked completely unprepared and listless. There is no leadership, and the captains (Allen and Bernard) are nowhere to be found when the team needs to get their collective heads out of their asses and play ball. Allen sulks on the bench by himself and Bernard can't call anyone out because he is playing like garbage. 
 

Teams have figured out the Bills offense and have zero fear of the passing game. Media is laughing about how predictable and simple the offensive game plans are. Brady was handed the job because he was familiar, not because he had any sort of track record running an offense. And he is proving how limited he is. The Bills don't have great WRs, but they have guys that have played at a decent level in other situations. Other teams figure out ways to get average WRs open. Hell, KC was famous for their crossing routes and barely legal pick plays. Was Brady sleeping through all those games?  All he seems to know how to do is screen plays to Shakir. Allen had 3.5 seconds to throw on average yesterday. The most of his career. The Dolphins didn't even need to pressure Allen to shut down the passing game.

 

Allen holds nobody accountable on the field or off and offers up a "they wanted it more" after another ***** game. How the hell can a 2-7 team with no shot at the playoffs "want it more" than a team fighting for their division and a playoff spot?!  I know that response is the generic answer after a loss, but how do you offer that up as an excuse?  
 

Yesterday's game virtually guarantees that the patriots win the AFC East. They have a very easy remaining schedule and the Bills will have to finish a full game ahead of them due to conference tie breakers. The Bills most likely lost their division yesterday because a 2-7 Dolphins team "wanted it more"! Let that sink in for a minute. It is a crappy day to be a Bills fan.