Perspective Matters: The Offense Is Producing

[VW82]

31 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i believe we were closest to winning the SB in 2021.

 

Of course we were. We had Josh on a rookie contract. His cap hit next year is 56M. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

Of course we were. We had Josh on a rookie contract. His cap hit next year is 56M. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

this thread is about the offense not the salary cap

[BullBuchanan]

7 hours ago, ClosetFan said:

Speaking of perspective:People seem to get twisted in knots about how the team is managed. Just keep in mind that these are just a bunch of millionaires tossing a ball around for your entertainment. It has no impact on your life.

The lamest take in all of sports fandom. Good job on being the first to bring it up today.

7 hours ago, Magox said:

Let's take a breath and look at what the offense is actually doing before we spiral over not getting a WR before the trade deadline.

 

Here are some facts that might help bring a little levity to the conversation:

 

Total Yards/Game: 385 – 1st in the NFL

Points/Game: 29.4 – 3rd in the NFL

Rushing Yards/Game: 161.5 – 1st in the NFL

Yards/Play: 6.1 – 3rd in the NFL

Passing Yards/Game: 224 – 14th in the NFL

Yards/Pass Attempt: 8.2 – 4th in the NFL

Yards/Rush: 5.0 – 4th in the NFL

Red Zone TD %: 67.74% – 9th in the NFL

Completion %: 69.9% – 7th in the NFL

Third Down Conversion: 45.65% – 5th in the NFL

 

These are damn good numbers. This offense is efficient, productive, and balanced. We’re top-tier in yards, points, and play efficiency. The passing game may not be flashy in total yards, but it’s highly efficient—top 5 in yards per attempt and completion percentage.

Could we have added a WR? Sure. But let’s not ignore what’s already working. This team is moving the ball, scoring points, and doing it with balance and precision.  And the WR room gets better with Palmer back into the fold and I do think Gabe Davis will help on those scramble drills which seem to be missing this year.

Let’s keep perspective. The season is long, and the offense is already doing more than enough to win games.

I might even say that's "secretly elite".

[DuckyBoys]

I think the worry is the offense falters in the playoffs when teams go all in to stop the run/short game  and are willing to dare the Bills to win on the outside  Coordinators have months to come up with scheme to do it and do we have an answer?

[BullBuchanan]

14 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

I think the worry is the offense falters in the playoffs when teams go all in to stop the run/short game  and are willing to dare the Bills to win on the outside  Coordinators have months to come up with scheme to do it and do we have an answer?

That's not typically what teams do in the playoffs. If any team wants to sell out to stop the run against one of the best players to ever throw a football who's in his prime, I'd welcome them to do so. We don't have Spencer Rattler under center, we have Josh ***** Allen.

The reason this whole offensive philosophy works, is...

Edited 7 hours ago by BullBuchanan

[BearNorth]

I noticed today that we have some serious size in our receiving corps for a change.  

WR's - Shavers 6-4 211; Coleman 6-3 215; Kincaid 6-4 240; Knox 6-4 254; Hawes 6-4 253

Probably won't win a lot of foot races, but those are some big guys.

[BuffaloBillyG]

7 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

I don't care. 

 

Buffalo was second in points scored last year, third in point differential, etc. during the regular season.  And they still barely got past Baltimore in the Divisional Round game and had to grind it out in the AFC CG.  

 

The offense is built to succeed in the regular season and falters under the weight of greater expectations and pressure in the post-season.      

The issue I have and the reason I wanted to add a playmaker....we are one James Cook or Dalton Kincaid injury away from catastrophe.

[ganesh]

The biggest issue for most of the fans are the two losses. We were supposed to blowout those two upcoming teams; instead we allowed their young guns to be better than the reigning MVP. 
 

The offense played poorly in those two games. The play calling was poor. We still had a chance to win both the games.  If we scored the TD on that last drive against the patriots instead of the FG then we would have forced them to needing a TD and we didn’t. 
 

bottom line, those losses hurt us so much that (and the way we lost) fans are not willing to acknowledge this accomplishment of the offense 

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

The issue I have and the reason I wanted to add a playmaker....we are one James Cook or Dalton Kincaid injury away from catastrophe.

Agree.  This year our depth at WR/TE and RB is miserable.  

7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Good question. Um, he’s the best of the bunch. He absolutely makes them better than they are today. I’d also probably try giving Moore more routes (no pun intended). Maybe you can cobble together just enough to keep defenses honest. That way you can still run the ball and work the underneath stuff.

It has taken time for Moore and Palmer to get in sync with Allen. May be that will be a game changer in the 2nd half of the season 

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Another way to put that is, we play up or down to the competition instead of simply having our own identity and performing consistently.

 

More like they try and conserve energy in the early part of the season for when it's important later in the season when it actually matters.

 

Which is why they are 32-7 after the bye since 2020.

[Ray Stonada]

2 hours ago, BearNorth said:

I noticed today that we have some serious size in our receiving corps for a change.  

WR's - Shavers 6-4 211; Coleman 6-3 215; Kincaid 6-4 240; Knox 6-4 254; Hawes 6-4 253

Probably won't win a lot of foot races, but those are some big guys.

Just add one blazing Smurf who can track the deep ball.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The offense is elite. It’s the reason we are a perennial super bowl contender. It’s the literal only reason we went from a joke to amazing. It’s absolutely mind blowing that BILLS FANS don’t get or appreciate this. We spend years fighting about JP Losman and Trent Edwards. Twenty years from now we will be sick thinking of how long we were great for and how we took it for granted. The defense IS THE PROBLEM. It’s been for 7 full years. All we ever have to do is make stops and we will win a Super Bowl. Nobody ever should be concerned or worried about the offense. Not only are they not a problem. They are an all time great. Fix the defense and we win a Super Bowl 

[DapperCam]

Our offense is playing well (when the refs aren't screwing us), but it is vulnerable.

1. If Cook or Kincaid (or even Shakir) go down we're in big trouble. Our depth is not looking good.
2. We have the reigning league MVP and in my opinion one of the best QBs of all time. Of course our offensive stats will probably look decent. Doesn't mean we're taking full advantage of it.
3. There are going to be teams that shut down our run and the middle of the field. Let's hope that doesn't happen in the playoffs.

[Richard Noggin]

10 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

My wife said this yesterday to me. Listen, its true, but I dont like it lol

 

I cant grasp the words for what this team means to me. It was planted in my soul quite literally at birth. Some of my first memories, I was 3yrs old, were from those Super Bowls.

 

I dont remember the games, but I remember the electricity around them.  I was 3yrs-7yrs for that SB run.

 

Ive seen how juiced up this town and fanbase gets for an AFCCG, and its a drug. Then I remember I was born in an environment even more intoxicating than what ive seen as an adult. Seriously, some of my first blips of memories are my dad and his friends crying at the end of, what I believe is the first 2 SBs.

 

My family gave me this disease. I want a Chip for me, my family that brought me into this, the community, and now Josh. I put that man on a pedestal, ill never have a new favorite football (or sports) player in my life. 

 

Winning a ring in the future without Josh would hurt me to my core! I want to see him win one here. Or at the least, see him win one somewhere else, but only if hes like 40, and some scenario he cant help sends him to a contender lol

 

So yes, its just billionaire toys but damn its a big piece of all of us

 

Mucho parallels here for me (and so many others in WNY), but my first two searing Bills memories were the goal posts coming down in '88 (obviously amazing scene with Van Miller soundtrack), followed by the Ronny Harmon playoff drop in the endzone to essentially end the '89 campaign. I was 11 for that one, and my mother and her cousin were just losing their damned minds with a rage I couldn't yet fathom. How many of you can then relate to your first REAL human heartbreak being that Norwood kick sailing wide right in slow motion...I was 12...

 

And yeah, it's been getting more difficult to ignore the billionaire bread and circuses distraction that is the modern NFL and sports in general. That week one win this year was pretty damned invigorating, though, especially for those of us who stuck it out at the stadium. Nothing cynical about that feeling.

 

9 hours ago, Pete said:

Through 8 games- half a season

 

Khalil Shakir 383 yards 

Keon Coleman 292 yards 

Josh Palmer 234 yards 

Elijah Moore 110 yards 

Tyrell Shavers 48 yards

Curtis Samuel 41 yards 

 

 

Now add Dalton Kincaid's production despite his limited snaps and only 33 targets...

[Avisan]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

this thread is about the offense not the salary cap

The two are inextricably linked, though?  Josh taking up an extra ~18% more of the cap than he did on his rookie deal impacts which other pieces can be added to the team.

 

When we make an "all-in" move like the Von Miller signing, it really hurts us when an injury derails that move in part because 20% of our cap is already dedicated to Josh.  If we went all-in on a true elite receiver, for example, that's a 40+ mil/year cap hit.  An injury to that player would make fielding an elite team really difficult, especially if it cost us draft capital to acquire them.

 

It's a balancing act.