This might be why Bills fan's are concerned despite the Bills 5-2 record. There will be math.

[Sierra Foothills]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Hear, hear. People who favour math often like to think of themselves as smarter than people who can use language properly. They are not. 

 

44 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

if you think that second clause in the post you quoted is an example of using language properly I have some bad news for you

 

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't care how much English you think you know, correcting grammar on a message board is the height of dbaggery

 

In fairness to all, there are numerous actions that qualify a poster for dbaggery.

 

[FLFan]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't care how much English you think you know, correcting grammar on a message board is the height of dbaggery

People don’t generally liked to be talked down to, regardless of reason, so a response to that is not unwarranted.

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Chaos said:

250 years later, they still don't realize they lost the battle to own the language. 

 

We didn't lose the battle on apostrophes.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FLFan said:

People don’t generally liked to be talked down to, regardless of reason, so a response to that is not unwarranted.

I mean who's talking down to who(m)...the guy explaining his model or the guy correcting his grammar

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Yes.  The Ravens were 1-2 including a loss to the NFC favorite Detroit Lions when Lamar went down against the Chiefs.  At 1-3, their three losses were against the top three Super Bowl favorites in the whole league.  

 

 

Lmao you give excuses for them like they were your team… 

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

That is because of the injuries. Healthy they have one of the best rosters in football. They don't have much depth as we are seeing since injuries are killing their season.

True, but all the fancy stats and math won’t fix that.

[strive_for_five_guy]

24 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao you give excuses for them like they were your team… 

Or you can just ignore that the Ravens’ losses to the Texans and Rams were without their two-time MVP and Cooper Rush was their starting QB.  This “stat” or whatever it is that the OP threw out there is still largely incomplete.

[Chaos]

36 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Or you can just ignore that the Ravens’ losses to the Texans and Rams were without their two-time MVP and Cooper Rush was their starting QB.  This “stat” or whatever it is that the OP threw out there is still largely incomplete.

All stats are incomplete until the last whistle at the Super Bowl. 

[Simon]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Hear, hear. People who favour math often like to think of themselves as smarter than people who can use language properly.

 

What about people with weird spelling preferences?

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

What about people with weird spelling preferences?

Shot heard round the world 

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

What about people with weird spelling preferences?

 

We came first. Not our fault you're too lazy to include the 'u'. 😁

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

We came first.

 

Now there's a "U" problem. 

[Big Blitz]

8 hours ago, Chaos said:

Its not likely many people are familar with graph network analysis or page rank.  But these are standard statisitical systems that are often applied to sports as ranking or predictive model.   The base formula is standard and I have not altered it in any way.  The results below are what are generated  by the formulas.  I have validate the specific math between the Eagle, Chiers, Bills and Ravens, because they do not seem intuitive. But based on this statistical model, they are accurate.  Here is the math:

The table is the results of this statistic applied to the 2025 NFL season so far.  As a side note. The Chargers at -460 are a compelling, if boring value vs. the Titans this weekend.  And the Bronco's seem tremendously underpriced as an outright underdog in a game they should be a significant favorite at  with the Texans.  Past is not prologue.  But this statistic has a pretty good track record. With tweaks (which I have not done) this can be made to identify the winners accurately (outright winners, not against the spread) about 70% of the time. 
 

Link to corrected table : https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/262258-this-might-be-why-bills-fans-are-concerned-despite-the-bills-5-2-record-there-will-be-math/page/3/#comment-9820269

 

essentially the issue is we do not have a single win against a team that is not a bottom dweller, and lost to two mediocre teams. 

 

 

Let’s take away their win against us bc the refs were a freaking disaster in that game.  
 

How about Tom Brad…..I mean Drake Maye and New Englands opponents combined record?

 

 

 

10 wins.  30 losses. 

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

What about people with weird spelling preferences?

 

I have told you folks before that you are wrong. You'd think it would sink in by now....

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have told you folks before that you are wrong. You'd think it would sink in by now....

 

Dear Mother,

   My descent into madness continues unabated. Today I think I was actually lectured by a soccer player.....

[BillsFanForever19]

9 hours ago, Bruffalo said:

You can only play who is on the schedule.

 

It's not the Bills' fault those other teams are dogwater. 

 

This is true. But if the teams we're playing are "dogwater", if we're a true contender, we shouldn't have lost 2 games.

 

The teams we've beaten have a combined record of 10-29 and the teams we've lost to have a combined record of 9-6. We got taken to the woodshed by a 3-4 team that was down 2 of their top 3 WR's.

 

Beating up on a .500 team that couldn't stop the run and were rolling out Andy Dalton at QB with a broken thumb hasn't instilled confidence in me.

 

The problem for me is we've been to an AFC Championship and gone deep into the Playoffs. That's no longer good enough. It's Super Bowl or bust and this doesn't look like a Super Bowl team to me. I'd love to be wrong, but I just can't see it happening this year with the roster we have now.

Edited 18 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

10 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Just kind of a moving forward thing because I see it over and over again, Our GMs last name is BEANE with an E at the end.

 

If you're going to roast him at the very least spell his name right.  

I feel the same way whenever someone wanted to roast the Sabers 

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

In fairness to all, there are numerous actions that qualify a poster for dbaggery.

 

 

Including, ironically, getting bent out of shape when someone playfully critiques careless written communication in a text-based medium...👇

 

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't care how much English you think you know, correcting grammar on a message board is the height of dbaggery

[Sojourner]

11 hours ago, Chaos said:

Its not likely many people are familar with graph network analysis or page rank.  But these are standard statisitical systems that are often applied to sports as ranking or predictive model.   The base formula is standard and I have not altered it in any way.  The results below are what are generated  by the formulas.  I have validate the specific math between the Eagle, Chiers, Bills and Ravens, because they do not seem intuitive. But based on this statistical model, they are accurate.  Here is the math:

The table is the results of this statistic applied to the 2025 NFL season so far.  As a side note. The Chargers at -460 are a compelling, if boring value vs. the Titans this weekend.  And the Bronco's seem tremendously underpriced as an outright underdog in a game they should be a significant favorite at  with the Texans.  Past is not prologue.  But this statistic has a pretty good track record. With tweaks (which I have not done) this can be made to identify the winners accurately (outright winners, not against the spread) about 70% of the time. 
 

Link to corrected table : https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/262258-this-might-be-why-bills-fans-are-concerned-despite-the-bills-5-2-record-there-will-be-math/page/3/#comment-9820269

 

essentially the issue is we do not have a single win against a team that is not a bottom dweller, and lost to two mediocre teams. 

 

Hate to break it to you but the Pats aren’t mediocre man. Completely obliterated one of the best defenses in football whilst still getting wrecked behind the LOS. 

[Richard Noggin]

54 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

This is true. But if the teams we're playing are "dogwater", if we're a true contender, we shouldn't have lost 2 games.

 

The teams we've beaten have a combined record of 10-29 and the teams we've lost to have a combined record of 9-6. We got taken to the woodshed by a 3-4 team that was down 2 of their top 3 WR's.

 

Beating up on a .500 team that couldn't stop the run and were rolling out Andy Dalton at QB with a broken thumb hasn't instilled confidence in me.

 

The problem for me is we've been to an AFC Championship and gone deep into the Playoffs. That's no longer good enough. It's Super Bowl or bust and this doesn't look like a Super Bowl team to me. I'd love to be wrong, but I just can't see it happening this year with the roster we have now.

 

On one hand, don't the Chiefs have THREE losses already? One more than the Bills? At worst, we'd have the same number of losses after this week. (But I get the different trajectories in that scenario.)

 

On the other hand, I agree wholeheartedly that beating up the Dalton-led Panthers offense is no great achievement. (Even if beating up the Panthers defense WAS a noteworthy achievement.)

[BillsFanForever19]

3 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

On one hand, don't the Chiefs have THREE losses already? One more than the Bills? At worst, we'd have the same number of losses after this week. (But I get the different trajectories in that scenario.)

 

On the other hand, I agree wholeheartedly that beating up the Dalton-led Panthers offense is no great achievement. (Even if beating up the Panthers defense WAS a noteworthy achievement.)

 

The Chiefs are playing a tougher schedule though. The worst team they've lost to is the 4-3 Jaguars. Their other losses are to the 6-2 Eagles and the 5-3 Chargers in the 1st 2 Weeks. And they defeated the Lions. The only team we've played with a winning record is the Patriots.