Jags listening to trade calls for Brian Thomas

[Doc Brown]

9 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Beane will never do a deal like this after the Diggs trade and the little tirade he had when he was questioned about the WR room that off season

 

He would have to own up to his failure to get Josh a premier wideout that he should absolutely have 

 

I'm pretty sure he can swallow his pride but it's been pretty clear over the last couple of years he for whatever reason doesn't value a #1WR as much as most GM's do.

[Pecker]

6 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

What is it about the 1st that you are hesitant to part with? The last few years:

 

Hairston

Kincaid

Elam

Groot

Oliver

Edumnds

Diggs*
multiple trade backs for Coleman*
 

 

By far the best player on that list is Diggs, whom we traded a pick for.  Everyone else is average at best. 

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

I know most of TBD was hoping for a trade up to get him in the draft. I don’t watch a lot of Jags but from what I’ve watched, this guy has been underwhelming. Granted, I’ve got a limted data set but he just meh?

 

 

This is his 2024 stats:

 

GPRECTGTSYDSAVGTDLNGFDFUMLST

17 87 133 1,282 14.7 10 85 53 0 0

 

I will take him in a heart beat...ship Davis and a 2nd round pick to them for Brian.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 minute ago, ***** said:

By far the best player on that list is Diggs, whom we traded a pick for.  Everyone else is average at best. 

Yup I’m leaning towards mortgaging the future. What’s the point in hanging onto all the future selections just to build mediocrity?

 

I know this is not their intent, but it is what they’ve gotten out of their early draft investments so you might as well invest them into a more sure talent even if it costs more now, and makes things trickier down the road. 
 

The cap just keeps going up. Win a superbowl or two and worry about it when the time comes. It worked for the Rams. Sold their souls, won the Lombardi, bottomed out briefly and nailed some draft investments when they had to rely on a youth movement and they’re right back at it. 
 

The Bills should be no different although it seems like Beane is mostly concerned about maintaining the standard even if it means sacrificing the ability to bring in elite talents via trade or FA 

[ganesh]

39 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Given the complexity of the Bill's offensive scheme is hard to imagine him being ready to play for the Bills before next season.    

What complexity ?  Our offense plays in the 1st 5 yards from the scrimmage....It is throwing to RBs,  slants to all the WRs or bubble screens...The only guy who catches anything downfield have been Kincaid and Knox.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

.ship Davis

Ray or Gabe?

 

because it’d be hilarious to trade them back a player that they released and are still paying…can you even trade a PS player? My god that’s what we’re doing with Tredavious White 🤦‍♂️

[ganesh]

1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Ray or Gabe?

 

because it’d be hilarious to trade them back a player that they released and are still paying…can you even trade a PS player? My god that’s what we’re doing with Tredavious White 🤦‍♂️

🙂 Ray.  My understanding is that they feel they are stocked at WRs and don't need another one.

[transplantbillsfan]

18 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considering Clayton only had 55 targets.. and Brian Thomas Jr has 55 targets and less yards than what Clayton had on 55 targets... But if it's 7 yd it shows Target for Target they're right there

 

Brian Thomas Jr is getting more chances in year two.. listen he was phenomenal last year nobody would want to give up a 22 year old wide receiver playing like that.. in my mind there just has to be something up

 

Of course there's something up, but it doesn't automatically make the trade not worth it. 

 

He's playing in a brand new offense with a brand new Head Coach who is also the playcaller. As you said, he was phenomenal last year with a different Head Coach and playcaller. Maybe he's unhappy with his fit in the offense and that's the root of all the problems.

 

If so, I don't view that as a dealbreaker in any way in terms of trading for him. It didn't with Diggs. If we had the CAP space it wouldn't with AJ Brown.

 

He had almost 1300 receiving yards and 10 TDs last year. He did that in the NFL as a rookie and is under cost control for 2 1/2 more years.

 

I want to see this happen. He's a better bet than any rookie WR and would immediately step in as our #1.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Of course there's something up, but it doesn't automatically make the trade not worth it. 

 

He's playing in a brand new offense with a brand new Head Coach who is also the playcaller. As you said, he was phenomenal last year with a different Head Coach and playcaller. Maybe he's unhappy with his fit in the offense and that's the root of all the problems.

 

If so, I don't view that as a dealbreaker in any way in terms of trading for him. It didn't with Diggs. If we had the CAP space it wouldn't with AJ Brown.

 

He had almost 1300 receiving yards and 10 TDs last year. He did that in the NFL as a rookie and is under cost control for 2 1/2 more years.

 

I want to see this happen. He's a better bet than any rookie WR and would immediately step in as our #1.

Doesn't affect his catching.. he has the most drops in the NFL.. he has a very low yards per route ran 

 

His catch rate is significantly lower.. his efficiency numbers have plummeted to the bottom of the NFL 

 

Josh Gordon went for 1700 yards with ghosts at quarterback in Cleveland... BTJ is Super talented.. I'm not giving up a first round pick for those last 4 things I just said 

 

Now if he picked his game up from last year and they were trying to trade him.. yeah he'd be worth the first and probably more

 

Significantly regressing I would give up picks , not a number one and I doubt anybody in the NFL is going to

 

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Richard Noggin]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Interesing thought….Chad Hall and Gabe Davis would have first hand knowledge of him…..

 

Chad Hall? Why would Chad Hall provide intel to the Bills? Didn't he leave on a lateral move? 

 

Also, not sure Gabe Davis is someone with a post-playing career future in NFL front offices. Good locker room guy though, so his opinion is probably gonna be positive for just about any former teammate. 

 

6 hours ago, gobills404 said:

Maybe he just needs a change of scenery

 

 

Been said already, but while this is an intriguing series of correlations, it immediately makes me think of our own failure to maximize WRs over this same span. 

 

**ALSO: lot of posters taking this report to mean that Jags are actively looking to move on from BJT. I guess if they DO move on, then we know they were open to it. But it could be more about teams inquiring right now and the Jags not telling them to eff off right away. 

Edited 18 hours ago by Richard Noggin

[Nelius]

Trevor Lawrence sucks and has sucked. That's the primary issue with BTJ. Some have been calling this for years. OI' late 80s Beauty and the Beast show looking ass.

 

So yes, this is a priority. Agree with the posters who said you do whatever's possible. 

 

I also don't really understand the mid-thread MHJ detour, but yes, considering the state of this offense right now, you'd also go after him if possible, but BTJ is preferable.

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Who knows what is going on

 

Very fair but the likeliest scenario is that he has a terrible bonehead QB and is simply thinking of self-preservation. Josh could be all he needs.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Trevor Lawrence sucks and has sucked. That's the primary issue with BTJ. Some have been calling this for years. OI' late 80s Beauty and the Beast show looking ass.

 

So yes, this is a priority. Agree with the posters who said you do whatever's possible. 

 

I also don't really understand the mid-thread MHJ detour, but yes, considering the state of this offense right now, you'd also go after him if possible, but BTJ is preferable.

 

Very fair but the likeliest scenario is that he has a terrible bonehead QB and is simply thinking of self-preservation. Josh could be all he needs.

 

The NFL is a privilege not a right if that's your mindset you're already not going to be a long time successful receiver 

 

Sammy Watkins was always thinking about himself and he was one of the most talented players and didn't do nothing 

 

Josh Gordon went for 1700 yards with ghosts at quarterback with the Cleveland browns... Brian Thomas Jr is leading the NFL in drops and all of his metrics have significantly dropped 

 

I would trade for him but nobody in the NFL is going to trade a first round pick right now that's my only point I'm making 

 

It's not even going to take a first if they were going to trade him

Edited 17 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Nelius]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 

The NFL is a privilege not a right if that's your mindset you're already not going to be a long time successful receiver 

 

Sammy Watkins was always thinking about himself and he was one of the most talented players and didn't do nothing 

 

Josh Gordon went for 1700 yards with ghosts at quarterback with the Cleveland browns... Brian Thomas Jr is leading the NFL in drops and all of his metrics have significantly dropped 

 

I would trade for him but nobody in the NFL is going to trade a first round pick right now

 

I feel like you conflated my post with several others as I mentioned nothing of a first round pick, etc.

 

Times have also changed. You don't like it, and I don't really like it, but it don't stop them from changing. It's not entirely uncommon now for very skilled players to go into shell-mode because of their surroundings. Trevor Lawrence absolutely sucks. He was heralded as a Josh alternative years ago which was insanity - he's maybe bottom 5 in the league. He is simply not progressing. He is worse than he was and he was never good.

 

So yes, I understand the current concept of skill players, that are young, healthy, and had all of the attributes coming out of college, not wanting to go all out for a poor situation. It's a relatively new phenomenon but it's not unique. Maybe he just doesn't want to play in London 2+ times a year, etc. The Jags are a bit of a dumpster fire. Dumpster fires create unhappy players that excel elsewhere. This isn't new.

 

[transplantbillsfan]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Doesn't affect his catching.. he has the most drops in the NFL.. he has a very low yards per route ran 

 

His catch rate is significantly lower.. his efficiency numbers have plummeted to the bottom of the NFL 

 

Josh Gordon went for 1700 yards with ghosts at quarterback in Cleveland... BTJ is Super talented.. I'm not giving up a first round pick for those last 4 things I just said 

 

Now if he picked his game up from last year and they were trying to trade him.. yeah he'd be worth the first and probably more

 

Significantly regressing I would give up picks , not a number one and I doubt anybody in the NFL is going to

 

 

 

Agree to disagree 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ganesh said:

What complexity ?  Our offense plays in the 1st 5 yards from the scrimmage....It is throwing to RBs,  slants to all the WRs or bubble screens...The only guy who catches anything downfield have been Kincaid and Knox.

And Palmer.  They just haven’t given him the opportunities.  He can make plays in the deep intermediate 

[Nihilarian]

42 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Been said already, but while this is an intriguing series of correlations, it immediately makes me think of our own failure to maximize WRs over this same span. 

 

THIS!

 

This current Buffalo offense has been a run-first offense with Joe Brady calling more run plays than pass plays. Brian Daboll is no longer the OC, and we all saw what Stephon Diggs looked like after Brady took over from Dorsey. I, for one, am not convinced that this Buffalo OC would even make good use of this WR. 

 

Clearly, Keon Coleman (35) is Josh Allen's favorite target, and right behind him is Shakir (34), with Kincade in third at 24 targets and Palmer at 20 targets. 

 

In Jacksonville, Brian Thomas Jr leads that team in targets with 55, 27 receptions for 365 yards, 1 TD. With a catch percentage of 49.1. 

 

In this recent Jags game, BTJ was injured while grabbing his shoulder. Same shoulder he injured in college. Injury or mental case?

 

"Among all players with at least 50 targets this season, Thomas' 41.8 percent success rate and 49.1 percent catch rate are the second-worst marks in the NFL. Jerry Jeudy is the only player behind him at 32.7 percent in success rate and a 42.3 percent catch rate (22 receptions on 52 targets).

One of the big problems for Thomas has been catching the ball. He has been credited with an NFL-high nine drops on 55 targets this season."

 

Thomas' struggles are partly on him, as he has struggled to make routine catches. 

 

Anyway, the Jags are looking to bolster their secondary as they are #26 in passing attempts, 27th in passing yards, 28th in passing TDs, and were just beaten by the Rams 35-7 with Matt Stafford throwing 5 TDs and the Jags QB Lawrence sacked 7x. Jacksonville is 4-3 at the bye. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Nihilarian

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Oh man looks like he's going through some tough stuff, he not only has some nagging injuries but he lost his close friend Kyren Lacy to suicide, looks like he and Thomas were very close, even trainined together 2 weeks before he passed away. I remember when Marcell Dareus lost his brother and was never the same afterwards, you just never know how trauma is going to affect someone. 

 

Here is the interview with Brian Thomas Jr on the loss of Lacy, you can just feel the pain. Get well young sir.

 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-Bg_f6o6wvk

[Sierra Foothills]

13 hours ago, DJB said:

Anyone know if he played on Carolina? Or lived there ? Or even had a great Aunt who died there ?

 

Or if he could identify Carolina if shown a map of the US...

 

11 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Maybe it would wake Keon up a bit. A bit of actual competition would be good for him.

 

 

11 hours ago, H2o said:

You be worried about Keon's feelings? 

 

 

Considering the rate at which Keon's synapses fire, it might take him a few weeks before he realizes he has a new teammate.

 

11 hours ago, James Can Cook said:

Trade for him then use this:

 

 

A bildo?

 

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

I wouldn’t give a first for him under any circumstances tbh.

BTJ almost hit 1300 yards with Mac Jones throwing him the ball. 
 

Some receivers make it work with bad QB play. They are called “great receivers” for a reason. 

 

Maybe you're underrating Mac Jones?

 

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Players born today wont be ready for McDermotts defense in 2060.

 

There's something to this... it took Tremaine 4 years, until he was 19 years old, before he became assignment-sound.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

This doesn’t fully surprise me after watching their last few games.  Something is (again) off there.  Lawrence is obviously a weirdo, he and Coen possibly hate each other, but regardless, BJT seems to be an odd fit in the new offense.  Coen doesn’t seem to feature him, and he’s dropping balls and looking totally out of sync.  It’s weird.  Last year he played like a vet and this year he looks like a rookie.  Still would be insane of them to trade him but if the door is open at all, Beane needs to bust it down.

[BigDingus]

I've said it a million times, but I'm no longer stingy about trading away 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

Given what this team has spent them on, I'd rather them trade for a player that has shown they can be good in this league rather than roll the dice on whoever Beane & McDermott use the picks on.

 

Who's the only player we've drafted in the first 2 rounds that would likely get back equal draft value for where they were taken is James Cook. I'm sure some team would think Cook is worth a 2nd rounder. Would anyone give up a 1st for Groot? We got back 6th & 7th round picks for Elam & Basham, so that's a no for them.

 

Nobody would give up a 2nd for Cole Bishop, nor would Kincaid command a 1st. 

 

Our draft picks won't be more valuable than they are BEFORE we use them. Might as well use them in a trade & try to actually win a Super Bowl this year instead of hoping we'll get there in a few more drafts.