from Joe B - McDermott says IR is a possibility for Palmer (and Daquon Jones)

[Success]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

He's terrible at mid season WR acquisitions so what would be shocking?

 

Having a very clear, very obvious need and not addressing it - when he can.

 

Because Cooper didn't work out doesn't mean someone like Meyers wouldn't.

 

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, Success said:

 

Not making a trade for even a Meyers-level WR would be kind of a shocking disconnect from the sentiments of the fanbase and almost all of the national sports media. It would be arrogance, imo.

 

Everyone wants a new WR, but what's the asking price for Meyers?  I think there will be several teams looking to trade for him: 49ers, Steelers, Pats, Pack - which will likely drive up the price, if they indeed trade him.

 

Just adding "so so" level WRs is why we are in this mess right now.  Meyers is above so-so, but there arent many options- most potential is Saints IMO, but Olave is going to cost alot + Shaheed is the exact type of WR Beane has ignored.

 

Im not seeing it as arrogance, just that the roster is the roster right now.  They our their faith in several young guys, WR and defense to be honest, and they haven't delivered.

 

 

[Pete]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He's terrible at mid season WR acquisitions so what would be shocking?

He should read the boards if he can’t figure it out.  Olave and/or Shaheed!!!!!

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

Everyone wants a new WR, but what's the asking price for Meyers?  I think there will be several teams looking to trade for him: 49ers, Steelers, Pats, Pack - which will likely drive up the price, if they indeed trade him.

 

Just adding "so so" level WRs is why we are in this mess right now.  Meyers is above so-so, but there arent many options- most potential is Saints IMO, but Olave is going to cost alot + Shaheed is the exact type of WR Beane has ignored.

 

Im not seeing it as arrogance, just that the roster is the roster right now.  They our their faith in several young guys, WR and defense to be honest, and they haven't delivered.

 

 

Meyers is a slot WR.

 

We have 4 slot WR and 1 that can play outside.  No more slot WRs!!!!

 

Does Beane know anything about building a WR room?

[MasterStrategist]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

He should read the boards if he can’t figure it out.  Olave and/or Shaheed!!!!!

Meyers is a slot WR.

 

We have 4 slot WR and 1 that can play outside.  No more slot WRs!!!!

 

Does Beane know anything about building a WR room?

Well thats my point - Meyers isnt what we need.  

 

Its Olave, Moore, Waddle, maybe Shaheed -- thats the list, or we are moving laterally and giving up picks.

 

Beane clearly hasn't had good success with the WRs lately.  Gone are the Smoke Brown, Beas, Poyer, Hyde type signings --- now we have Samuel, Palmer, Rapp, and multitude of draft picks that look questionable.

[Psautcsk]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Nope. Beane will get KJ Hamler on the phone. Problem solved. 😂

I can definitely see this happening.

[Mr. WEO]

26 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Well thats my point - Meyers isnt what we need.  

 

Its Olave, Moore, Waddle, maybe Shaheed -- thats the list, or we are moving laterally and giving up picks.

 

Beane clearly hasn't had good success with the WRs lately.  Gone are the Smoke Brown, Beas, Poyer, Hyde type signings --- now we have Samuel, Palmer, Rapp, and multitude of draft picks that look questionable.

 

"Smoke" Brown 1.0 was a 1 hit wonder--took 115 targets to crawl over the 1000 yd mark as Allen's only legit outside option.  Brown 2.0 was a showcase of Beane's ongoing cluelessness at WR

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

So if it's a possibility then why does it take two weeks to discover it's a possibility. 

That's embarrassing. 

 

 

Um, because did McDermott say that until now he hadn't known it was a possibility and just a few minutes before he discovered it was a possibility?

 

Because it sure looks to me like that's an assumption on your part, that he just found out, rather than anything he's said.

 

Looked to me like he was asked the question and answered it, without any additional information about when they'd decided it. 

 

It's not embarrassing in the slightest. A little frustrating that the doctors can't give more details on timetables and how quickly different guys will respond to treatment, but that's hardly on McDermott.

 

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

"Smoke" Brown 1.0 was a 1 hit wonder--took 115 targets to crawl over the 1000 yd mark as Allen's only legit outside option.  Brown 2.0 was a showcase of Beane's ongoing cluelessness at WR

 

 

Not at all, Brown was a real success. Did a lot of routes at all levels, with success at all of them. Dangerous in the deep middle, but was very capable of picking up the six yard first downs also.

 

Didn't last long enough for me, what with Covid and a high but in those two years, he was a really good pickup. 

 

As is Shakir. As was Beasley. As was Emmanuel Sanders for what we spent on him. As was McKenzie for what we spent on him. As was Gabe Davis for what we spent on him. Hollins was good for what they paid him. So was Diggs till he made himself too annoying.

 

The problem isn't really bad pickups. It's that many want him to spend many more resources on WR than he does. Yet the offense has been very good for a long time.

 

There are some choices that should be questioned. Samuel hasn't been healthy enough consistently to be effective. Scantling didn't work out, but again, the contract was pretty small. Harty wasn't successful here. There are others, but he hasn't made many big swings, so even if these guys didn't work out, we didn't lose a ton.

 

Now that we spent a 1st on Coleman, he'll be held accountable for that pick. Too early to say so far, but it's not far off before we'll be able to legitimately start questioning his effectiveness. Signs are not great so far, but is it him or how he's being used? 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Thurman#1

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

Actually insane to think I’m almost in the same boat right now. We’ve had some down moments in prior years, but this just feels very different right now. I’m nervous to invest any emotion in this organization right now. 
 

I’m hoping this is all an overreaction, and the Bills will come out firing after the bye… but per above… it just doesn’t feel hopeful right now.  Beane took some huge gambles, and it appears we may lose on them. 
 

It infuriates me that the Chiefs just keep winning, year after year after year after year… no matter who is in their lineup.  To me, so much of that comes down to coaching and preparation. They’re as consistent as they come. 

They're just a far superior run organization from top to bottom than we are.  McB made a legendary magnificent pick to choose Josh Allen.  But unfortunately it was all downhill from there.  From yearly injuries to failed fa's to brutal draft picks. There's always something in our way.

[Ray Stonada]

Okay, if Palmer goes on IR, I would try to get Elijah Moore involved--he showed good speed and instincts on his touches this year.

 

Also, why not get a young speedster to stretch the defense, and actually throw him the ball, like the Chiefs have done with Tyquan Thornton? 

[finn]

17 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Don't worry, we have keon!!

 

 

All it takes is more targets!

[Ray Stonada]

In a way, this isn't a problem. An offense can only feature 3 or 4 pass-catchers. ("Feature" meaning averaging 5+ targets/game.) 

 

On our team, that's Kincaid, Shakir, Coleman, and now either Moore or Samuel have to step up. 

 

Throwing 3 balls to 9 different players each game doesn't really create offensive rhythm or endanger defenses at crunch time.

 

 

 

[finn]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

They're just a far superior run organization from top to bottom than we are.  McB made a legendary magnificent pick to choose Josh Allen.  But unfortunately it was all downhill from there.  From yearly injuries to failed fa's to brutal draft picks. There's always something in our way.

Don't forget the free-agent fiascos, too. We can debate the wisdom of signing a 34-year old to a 6-year $120 million contract, but there's no question that it blew up in Beane's face and staggered the franchise. Put it together with the albatross that was Diggs' contract at the end (not really Beane's fault), and you have the difference between KC and the Bills, even before you get to drafting and injuries. 

[boyst]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Um, because did McDermott say that until now he hadn't known it was a possibility and just a few minutes before he discovered it was a possibility?

 

Because it sure looks to me like that's an assumption on your part, that he just found out, rather than anything he's said.

 

Looked to me like he was asked the question and answered it, without any additional information about when they'd decided it. 

 

It's not embarrassing in the slightest. A little frustrating that the doctors can't give more details on timetables and how quickly different guys will respond to treatment, but that's hardly on McDermott.

 

 

 

Not at all, Brown was a real success. Did a lot of routes at all levels, with success at all of them. Dangerous in the deep middle, but was very capable of picking up the six yard first downs also.

 

Didn't last long enough for me, what with Covid and a high but in those two years, he was a really good pickup. 

 

As is Shakir. As was Beasley. As was Emmanuel Sanders for what we spent on him. As was McKenzie for what we spent on him. As was Gabe Davis for what we spent on him. Hollins was good for what they paid him. So was Diggs till he made himself too annoying.

 

The problem isn't really bad pickups. It's that many want him to spend many more resources on WR than he does. Yet the offense has been very good for a long time.

 

There are some choices that should be questioned. Samuel hasn't been healthy enough consistently to be effective. Scantling didn't work out, but again, the contract was pretty small. Harty wasn't successful here. There are others, but he hasn't made many big swings, so even if these guys didn't work out, we didn't lose a ton.

 

Now that we spent a 1st on Coleman, he'll be held accountable for that pick. Too early to say so far, but it's not far off before we'll be able to legitimately start questioning his effectiveness. Signs are not great so far, but is it him or how he's being used? 

 

We are gonna disagree on this one. Calm your tailpipes because that's a lot of words to fortify your position. 

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, finn said:

Don't forget the free-agent fiascos, too. We can debate the wisdom of signing a 34-year old to a 6-year $120 million contract, but there's no question that it blew up in Beane's face and staggered the franchise. Put it together with the albatross that was Diggs' contract at the end (not really Beane's fault), and you have the difference between KC and the Bills, even before you get to drafting and injuries. 

Don't look now, but Von Miller is on pace for 10 sacks with the Commanders. 

[stlbills13]

Why make a trade when you have Terrell Shavers and Gabe Davis chomping at the bit. 

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

It doesn't matter if they pick anyone up to replace these guys because it apparently takes a full offseason and training camp to learn the intricacies of the offense and defense.  Even though opposing defenses and offenses seem to pick it up pretty quickly.  They could always bring back past their prime Bills players that "know the system".  

[Pete]

1 minute ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

It doesn't matter if they pick anyone up to replace these guys because it apparently takes a full offseason and training camp to learn the intricacies of the offense and defense.  Even though opposing defenses and offenses seem to pick it up pretty quickly.  They could always bring back past their prime Bills players that "know the system".  

Shaheed is the fastest man in the NFL.  All he needs his how run posts snd vertical routes, and he’s done his job.  Defendes fear his speed and back up

[Robert Paulson]

19 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

McDermott is done! I’m so tired of hoping. Why as Bills fans do we even consider ever winning a superbowl? It’s not going to happen with McDermott. Felt this way 4-5 years ago and here we are wondering who this team is. They’ve beat nobody and played 6 terrible teams this year, squeaked out 4 wins against terrible teams and basically been dominated by 2 mid teams.

 

Buffalo in Carolina at this point is a toss up. 

 

Wait until KC beats us by 20

Should have been fired after 13 seconds

[bigK14094]

21 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

According to whom? Not saying that's incorrect. But there really hasn't been anything said about him since he signed almost 2 months ago.

It was reported when he signed that his knee was still not right from the prior year injury.  I cannot quote source at this point as I have forgotten.  I am not writing a paper here and keeping references!

[SCBills]

I’m enjoying all the “we’re getting guys back” commentary from the podcasters when we come out of the bye with Daquan Jones and Josh Palmer not ruled out for IR and Kincaid still Questionable. 
 

I mean, technically they are right, but I wouldn’t exactly say we’re in great shape these next few weeks with Hairston likely not seeing the field for a minute and our starting DT and only legitimate outside separator down.