Who's the Emotional Leader on the Bills ??

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Brown I can vibe with as a leader of a team trying to win a Super Bowl. 
 

Josh, typically, but I don’t know.. maybe it’s just the overall start of the season so far, and I don’t want to read into his comments to Marty Smith as that IS the correct view to have on life, but vibes seem off with him right now. 
 

Dawkins is the guy who goes on a 15 minute philosophical monologue whenever he’s asked if it’s Super Bowl

or bust .. and I don’t love that. 
 

Cook barely speaks. 
 

If that’s the emotional core of the team, Brown and sometimes Josh aside, ehhhh..

Brown strikes me  as little bit of a loner.  I kind of they need a shakeup.  And I have to be cryptic here, but what I heard last week (from someone who is usually pretty “on”) about a prominent player potentially on the move would rock the locker room. Can’t say the name, but its player for player for secondary help.  

[Bruffalo]

11 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Not gonna lie, I am not saying I disagree, but I am saying I am wondering...  I remember Sean Payton going after Russell Wilson for the same thing... not that he is right or wrong, but I do think it is a thing... lets see how he adjusts and plays thru the season before I am convinced 1 way or the other... but it is something I ponder... he just got married, won and MVP and become a household celebrity...  I think he has the grounded personality to handle all of this change but maybe he is adjusting to a new normal...  I dont know...  

I think it's more likely that Payton was looking for any reason or excuse why Wilson was hot trash on the field. It's not like he got better on any of his subsequent teams. 

 

Allen's job on the Bills is just harder than it needs to be and I imagine it's exhausting. The WRs aren't being put in position to play to their strengths and it shows. The RB room is Cook, Johnson and Davis have regressed.  The Bills have been really slow to develop counter punches and they're predictable. 

If you have elite talent you can get away with poor situational play calling, Allen doesn't have that right now. 

[zow2]

I think Allen gets into his own head a little when things go wrong for him.  We're in that stretch now.  I do believe during the bye week, he will do a self-assessment on his play.  I think starting in Carolina he will get that dawg back into his persona, and say screw it and play some Josh Allen style football.

 

[JP51]

Just now, Bruffalo said:

I think it's more likely that Payton was looking for any reason or excuse why Wilson was hot trash on the field. It's not like he got better on any of his subsequent teams. 

 

Allen's job on the Bills is just harder than it needs to be and I imagine it's exhausting. The WRs aren't being put in position to play to their strengths and it shows. The RB room is Cook, Johnson and Davis have regressed.  The Bills have been really slow to develop counter punches and they're predictable. 

If you have elite talent you can get away with poor situational play calling, Allen doesn't have that right now. 

He doesnt have that for sure... he can only be a 1 man team for so long... I think further to that... even on the defensive side of the ball... is he in his head going, what TF are you guys doing.... like seriously... every one of your adds is like a disaster... and you do all of this... at the expense of getting me anyone to throw too...  so I get what you are saying...   I am not so sure I agree with you on the Payton thing, I think he really wanted to walk into a situation where you had a QB that would be good, not great but good for a couple years and he was trying to get his head back in the game... but to your point he did run him out of there on a rail.... so maybe you are right...   With Allen... after being super hero for so long and having 2 lets call them poor games by his standard.. .I am totally giving him the benefit of the doubt here... but I do wonder... 

[Brand J]

28 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

And I have to be cryptic here, but what I heard last week (from someone who is usually pretty “on”) about a prominent player potentially on the move would rock the locker room. Can’t say the name, but its player for player for secondary help.  

There’s no one in the secondary with a name big enough to rock the locker room. Not at this point in time. Since he’s a long tenured Bill and was once an All Pro (I think?) I’d have to say Taron Johnson, although trading him with the amount of responsibilities he has on his plate seems far fetched. 

[CNYfan]

I think TB tries, but they are not fired up.

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, Brand J said:

There’s no one in the secondary with a name big enough to rock the locker room. Not at this point in time. Since he’s a long tenured Bill and was once an All Pro (I think?) I’d have to say Taron Johnson, although trading him with the amount of responsibilities he has on his plate seems far fetched. 

Secondary would be incoming, not outgoing.  Somebody on the other side of the ball is a candidate to hit the road for secondary help. 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Brand J said:

There’s no one in the secondary with a name big enough to rock the locker room. Not at this point in time. Since he’s a long tenured Bill and was once an All Pro (I think?) I’d have to say Taron Johnson, although trading him with the amount of responsibilities he has on his plate seems far fetched. 

I took that post as the player going out would be for secondary help.. not necessarily a secondary player for us. 
 

A Knox type player comes to mind as someone who would rock the locker room but makes all the sense in the world to trade. 

[HamptonBillsfan]

I don’t blame Josh for being a multimedia phenomenon but as a Bills fan a few more performances like the Atlanta game and I  will start to question his focus. Now anyone, even the great ones, have bad games with TOs and bad decisions, but watching his body language during that game was concerning.It might be a reaction to the surrounding cast’s inability to make plays or Brady’s futility, but Josh needs to rally the troops when things go south. Two losses to inferior teams is an indictment on Sean and the coaches but we’re used to Josh overcoming anything. Our roster needs to be clicking, because they are ordinary without maximum effort. There are only 5or 6 big time talents on the whole team(Josh, Cook, Oliver, Shakir, Kincaid, Johnson) with an above average O-line. In today’s NFL there are enough teams that can beat any team if the effort, coaching and leadership is not working together. 

 

[bubba2018]

 i was thinking last night about how the bills don’t really have “nasty”. no one scares you besides Allen

[Pete]

For a team that prides itself on culture- there isn’t much emotion.  Big plays add to emotion- but Bills play boring football lacking big plays

[Nuncha]

Back in the day, it was Darryl Talley.  The comeback game against Houston he said "we got them right where we want them" when we were down 35-3.  

Today's team has no leader on D.  Emotional or otherwise.

[BuffaloBillies]

Vocally - Josh/Poyer

Physically - Brown/Thompson (Milano)

ST - Franklin

 

Time for all the fun-cutesy stuff to end. Get mean. No more F-ing around.

4th qtr Josh needs to start the games that way.

Spencer Brown needs to start wrecking people and talking sh*t (wouldn't even mind an unnecessary roughness/unsportsmanlike penalty here and there from him).

Whatever Poyer has lost in ability, he can double-up in vocal leadership - he's respected.

Thompson/Milano don't need to say a thing. Quiet assassins. No showboating. Just crushing guys and being in the right place.

Franklin's energy is contagious. He is the complete emotional leader package.

 

 

[BillnutinHouston]

It seems that those here identifying Josh as the emotional leader do so without offering specific evidence.  I would like to ask for that evidence, please.

 

This offseason, Josh has stated that his marriage has given him new perspective, and now he has (paraphrasing here) dropped his expectations for the season and is taking a "que sera" approach - whatever will be will be.  That doesn't strike me as burning desire. 

 

Open to be proven wrong.

Edited 4 hours ago by BillnutinHouston

[harmonkillebrew]

2 hours ago, JP51 said:

Sorry to be Captain Obvious... but Josh Allen is...  we unfortunately do not have a defensive emotional captain at all...  Like a Kyle Williams as I stretch to think would would have been an effective emotional leader after him... Maybe Poyer and Hyde...   the result on the defense is obvious... they play like a lethargic, rudderless pack of looney tunes cartoon characters chasing a rabbit they wont ever catch...  running over each other in the process... time to stop trusting the process... 

 

two other points you made I agree with.... 

 

Keeping Samuel or whomever over Hollins was a mistake... this guy to me is a greater than the sum of his parts example you put in a book

 

I have started wondering if all of these commercials has started to erode JA17s focus... I am not saying it has... but it has happened to more than 1 player out there... 

Bernard is the D's emotional leader.

The D's problem is lack of talent

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Bernard is the D's emotional leader.

The D's problem is lack of talent

The way Bernard is playing this season so far, ain’t nobody listening to him. 
 

If you’re an athlete, you’re not listening to the dude who is getting smoked on tape every time you look at film. 

[QB Bills]

It's Clappy's right and left hands. When they meet, its similar to when Hulk Hogan would 'hulk up' and no amount of punishment can faze them. The fans, on the other hand...

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

A large majority were saying the same thing two years ago when this team was on the ropes.  The Bills defense actually played pretty inspired in the 2nd half against the Falcons, after a disastrous first half.  This is after a ton of injuries and suspensions had hit them.  Meanwhile, the offense apparently didn’t know what to do against a blitz anymore.  They’re going to come out of the bye week and spank the Panthers.

That would be a great result.  
 

i agree about the defense in the second half last Monday night.  They played better. 
 

But the offense looked completely out of sync after the Davis TD made it 21-14.  And brought absolutely nothing the rest of the game. 
 

I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors.  But I would really like to see Josh take charge of the offense in a much more leadership type role.  He needs to be the Alpha leader on the field.  And on the sidelines.  That was not there against the Falcons in the slightest.  
 

He seems very melancholy and subdued.  For god’s sake look at Mack Jones w the 49ers or Jackson Dart with the Giants, or Baker with the Bucs.  They are all fired up  and excited.  Somebody needs to shake him out of his malaise.  
 

We need an igniter on the team. It sure isn’t coming from McDermott. 

[Process]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Brown strikes me  as little bit of a loner.  I kind of they need a shakeup.  And I have to be cryptic here, but what I heard last week (from someone who is usually pretty “on”) about a prominent player potentially on the move would rock the locker room. Can’t say the name, but its player for player for secondary help.  

Can't think of a move outside of trading Josh or Dion that would "rock the locker room" and I think it's pretty safe to say those guys aren't getting traded

[TBBills Fan]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

I think Allen gets into his own head a little when things go wrong for him.  We're in that stretch now.  I do believe during the bye week, he will do a self-assessment on his play.  I think starting in Carolina he will get that dawg back into his persona, and say screw it and play some Josh Allen style football.

 

I agree with your first sentence. 

 

I also think the whole Diggs thing got in his head before the pats game started. 

 

Just as it did last year vs Houston