Some rules that I think are dumb

[Figster]

59 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Offensive holding needs to be five yards. Ten yards is too much for a penalty that occurs on pretty much every snap, and the refs can call at any time. 

This 10 yard penalty ruins drives and changes the outcome of games. 

 

One of the leagues biggest brain farts IMO. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Fumble through end zone is a safety….  If it does out at the half yard line it goes to spot of fumble?

1 hour ago, WeckMonster said:

I hate the victory formation even more when the QB back pedals slowly to kill time then kneels of you get close.

 

should be a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty… same with a QB running to the sideline with intent to go OOB then  turning upfield, or intending to slide then continuing to run

I have zero issues with these.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Def PI where the ball is underthrown and the receiver comes back into the defender. 
 

that should Be considered an “uncatchable” ball and no penalty.  Otherwise, it rewards a bad pass and penalizes good coverage.

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, T.E. said:

How about a kickoff rule that essentially guarantees that the drive starts at the 35 combined with allowing the kickers to bring their own worn-in balls to the game?

 

A couple of first downs pretty much means three points now.

 

On the other hand, a controversial rule I love is that if you fumble out of the endzone while trying to score a TD, the other team gets it as a touchback.

 

I like the fumbling out of the endzone rule too, the offense gets so many favorable rules, it is good for the defense to get one. 

[Goin Breakdown]

On Offense, what if the refs falsely penalize a team and a review confirms the error, the accused team gets an automatic 1st down? Yeah the other team

would be pissed.  I bet the league would start to crack down on the refs a bit.
 

ok back to reality 

 

the league likes what's happening lately. So does Taylor swift and her album sales. 
 

ok back to reality for real

this time. I don't believe that either. 
 

Vegas or the NFL might or might not be affecting some of the calls. Who knows. But all I can say is that the suspicion and doubt does creep in and make watching the game a little less enjoyable. The term follow the money exists for a reason. I can't believe that the NFL is exempt from this. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Goin Breakdown

[WotAGuy]

I’m not a fan of this rule I can’t look at other women when my wife is with me. 

[Fleezoid]

The inconsistency with how the illegal contact is called is dumb. I think it's another arbitrary tool the refs can use to nudge the game their way. That and defensive holding should not be automatic first downs. 

Just now, WotAGuy said:

I’m not a fan of this rule I can’t look at other women when my wife is with me. 

 

One word.....sunglasses. 

[Bill4Bills]

It seems to me that the current catch rule is overly complicated-leading to a lot of subjectivity.  Even announcers often disagree after watching several slo-mo replays, not to mention disagreement among officials.  And just try explaining the rule (that I probably don't fully understand) to a novice football watcher.  Here is the rule:

 

RULE SUMMARY  VIEW OFFICIAL RULE

COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS

A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:

a. secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

b. touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

c. after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so. 

Notes:

Movement of the ball does not automatically result in loss of control.

If a player, who satisfied (a) and (b), but has not satisfied (c), contacts the ground and loses control of the ball, it is an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before he regains control, or if he regains control out of bounds

A receiver is considered a player in a defenseless posture (See 12-2-7) throughout the entire process of the catch and until the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent.

If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds.

 

Are you still with me?  Did you know. that you don't have to make a 'football act' to secure the catch, but must hold onto the ball long enough to do so?  I don't know the answer to how to simplify this, but it seems to me that a rule about a play so fundamental to the game should make matters clear enough so that we are not holding our breaths waiting for the official call, AFTER we have all watched a half a dozen replays.  And yes a lot of rules seem to come down to subjectivity even after replay, this one just sticks in my craw a little more.  

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, T.E. said:

How about a kickoff rule that essentially guarantees that the drive starts at the 35 combined with allowing the kickers to bring their own worn-in balls to the game?

 

A couple of first downs pretty much means three points now.

 

On the other hand, a controversial rule I love is that if you fumble out of the endzone while trying to score a TD, the other team gets it as a touchback.

Yeah I hate this new kickoff BS. Just get rid of the kickoff, half the field and let every team start at the 15. Then they only have to travel 35 yards for a TD and will already be in instant Fg range. 

 

I also like the idea of only having 5 defensive players and 15 on offense. Imagine how many points would be scored and record would be broken!!!

 

I hate it all. I hate society. I loathe my wife and my kids and the TikTok generation who are systematically destroying our once great society with their woke ideals and love of weedy musicians whose idea of controversy is saying they're only vegan 5 days of the week.

 

 

[Rich Stadium Original]

Okay..follow this one, for example:

 

Bills have the ball on their own 20 yard line.

Cook breaks free and is running down the sidelines.  Shakir is flagged for holding just before Cook enters the end zone at the Chiefs 10 yard line. It's a spot foul, 10 yard penalty from spot of the foul, Bills ball at Chiefs 20 ...first down.

Same exact scenario, except as Cook enters the end zone, a Chiefs defender grabs his face mask generating a second flag...offsetting penalties...replay the down back at the Bills 20 yard line.

By the Chiefs committing a foul, it actually worked out to their advantage...do I have that right?..or is there a rule covering this I dont know about?

[PetermansRedemption]

5 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

Okay..follow this one, for example:

 

Bills have the ball on their own 20 yard line.

Cook breaks free and is running down the sidelines.  Shakir is flagged for holding just before Cook enters the end zone at the Chiefs 10 yard line. It's a spot foul, 10 yard penalty from spot of the foul, Bills ball at Chiefs 20 ...first down.

Same exact scenario, except as Cook enters the end zone, a Chiefs defender grabs his face mask generating a second flag...offsetting penalties...replay the down back at the Bills 20 yard line.

By the Chiefs committing a foul, it actually worked out to their advantage...do I have that right?..or is there a rule covering this I dont know about?

No, I don’t see how the Chiefs benefit here. It was going to be coming back on a hold anyways. Bills could also just decline the face mask in this situation and only the hold would be enforced. 

Edited 8 hours ago by PetermansRedemption

[Rich Stadium Original]

5 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

No, I don’t see how the Chiefs benefit here. It was going to be coming back on a hold anyways. Bills could also just decline the face mask in this situation and only the hold would be enforced. 

Hold was a spot foul downfield..penalty is assessed from the spot of the foul...10 yd penalty from spot of the foul

[Ned Flanders]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Offensive holding needs to be five yards. Ten yards is too much for a penalty that occurs on pretty much every snap, and the refs can call at any time. 

I'm old enough to remember when offensive holding was 15 yards...they changed it to 10 because 15 was a drive killer...I think 10 is ok, holding is a more egregious penalty than a false start. 

[without a drought]

2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Here are some rules I think are dumb and that should be changed:

 

1. After a missed FG, why is the ball spotted at the point of the kick instead of the previous line of scrimmage?  The team not only misses the FG but also effectively gets penalized 7 yards.  I say change this rule.

 

2. When a team gets flagged for delay of game, why not give them the option to use a timeout to avoid the 5 yard penalty?  It would make for some interesting coaching decisions.

 

3. In victory formation, the QB should not be charged with a -2 yard rushing attempt.  It should be "team yardage" or something like that. I saw a game the other day where the backup QB was pushing forward to get back to the LOS on each kneel-down, which is just dumb and dangerous, but he apparently didn't want the negative rushing yardage.

 

There, I said it.  Now back to ragging on Beane and McDermott and Brady.

Can't say anything of those bother me.

[PetermansRedemption]

12 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

Hold was a spot foul downfield..penalty is assessed from the spot of the foul...10 yd penalty from spot of the foul

Yes, but in both of your scenarios the Bills still end up with the ball at the 20 yard line.
 

If the hold occurs at the 10, the ball is going back to the 20.

 

Now if the Chiefs commit a face mask, the penalties offset and the ball still goes back to the 20. 

[Rich Stadium Original]

3 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Yes, but in both of your scenarios the Bills still end up with the ball at the 20 yard line.
 

If the hold occurs at the 10, the ball is going back to the 20.

 

Now if the Chiefs commit a face mask, the penalties offset and the ball still goes back to the 20. 

 

Just now, Rich Stadium Original said:

 

Don't think so...in 1st scenario, spot foul puts the ball at Chiefs 20 yard line..in 2nd scenario, offsetting penalties, replay the down at original line..Bills have the ball at their OWN 20 yard line.

[julian]

Having a 5 yard Offside or defensive holding or some other lesser flag negate a 15 yard personal foul and replay the down makes no sense to me.

[billsfan89]

3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Def PI where the ball is underthrown and the receiver comes back into the defender. 
 

that should Be considered an “uncatchable” ball and no penalty.  Otherwise, it rewards a bad pass and penalizes good coverage.

 

The underthrown ball thing pisses me off, it is rewarding a bad throw with a bailout call. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The underthrown ball thing pisses me off, it is rewarding a bad throw with a bailout call. 

what I hate too is how these announcers are like “good play” when the receiver makes some unnatural move to dive back into the defender. That Diggs one was especially bad because he was out of bounds.

 

[Mango]

I hate that the ball has to survive the ground when caught on the sideline. Drives me bonkers.  As soon as the knee, foot, elbow etc. touches outside the field of play the play is over. Whatever happens after that doesn't matter.