Josh Allen Played Most Undisciplined Game in Three years Against Falcons-- Jim Kubiak BN

[Cray51]

Not a shocking statement, Allen played a lot like Mahomes did in the Super Bowl.  Tried to ditch the pocket early, looked downfield too often, and tried to superman his way to a win.

 

Every QB has these games - Allen needs to reset during the bye week and move on.

[Casey D]

2 minutes ago, Rich Stadium Original said:

I think you can blame the offense's issues on a number of sources.  Although he hasn't said much and overall the protection has been good this season,  I think Allen has taken some pretty big hits already this year.

In the Atlanta game, the Falcons blitzed on like 79% of drop backs..and ridiculously huge number.

I blame the coaching staff for not coming up with enough plays to slow down the blitz rate (and/or players weren't getting open on hot reads)

If you combined a quarterback who wasn't comfortable with the play selection because it wasn't producing results, yet led to a lot of free rushers and hits, it leads to a lot of bad QB decisions and throws.

It was not all coaching.  He had throws to make to beat the blitz and simply did not see them or make them.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 minutes ago, colin said:

has has a road stinker every year, last year it was houston, same thing too, in both games he was missing his best weapon (shakir then, kinkaid now, and then also palmer).  im not worried about josh.

 

what i'm po'd about tho, is that raisin bag brady just can't line up w our best match ups, cook and multi te's, and pass out of run sets or run play action to save his own life.  he also went too much zone vs gap runs vs atl as well, like how hard is it to see what does and doesn't work?  the d blows and is super hurt, but they seem to figure things out on a week to week basis (albeit with some just shockingly bad statistics), how can the OC not just go to strength 4 drives a game instead of 2?

 

Palmer played 6 snaps before his injury, Kincaid was out, and we still only managed to keep shakir on the field for 34 out of 57 snaps.  

[hondo in seattle]

No doubt, Josh didn't play well.  

 

But it was a weird game by Brady.  We're playing the league's best pass defense, our mediocre group of receivers are predictably struggling to get open, and our OL is experiencing some bad breakdowns.  So we pass more than we run?  

 

Maybe Josh would've had a much cleaner, better game if (1) Beane had acquired more talent for the offense, and (2) Brady schemed and called a better game.  

A good coordinator makes success easy and failure difficult.  Brady does that to some extent in the run game.  Sometimes backs have nice holes to run through.  But he doesn't do it as much in the passing game.  Often receivers are covered and Josh is running around trying to make something happen.  

 

 

[GoBills808]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I saw plenty on tape.  I don’t have the all 22 so I can’t post any.  You have the all 22 and didn’t see any I assume?
 

you don’t have to compare anything to what penix was seeing.  That has nothing to do with Josh playing a poor game.  

You need it for context

 

When what you're asking from one QB is significantly more difficult than avg it helps when you're trying to say poor/mediocre/substandard etc

 

Again- literally nobody is saying Allen played well. I'm just begging people to actually look at the film, decide for themselves what's actually available in this offense vs what another QB might reasonably be expected to produce, and then decide your standard of play

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No, time to admit when he plays like crap. End of story.  
 

but nooooooooo…… Josh never plays bad 👌 

 

Do you think Allen led Shakir out of bounds on that 3rd down throw?

 

I have two legit criticisms for Allen from this game:

1) There were at least two hot routes he missed, one where he held the ball and one where he didn't read a telegraphed blitz.

2) He needs to stop forcing throws to Coleman. This criticism extends to last week too. I don't care if he's 1v1, it just isn't working and he seemingly hasn't progressed at all. We need a legit X receiver and that falls on Beane. Until then stop trying to make X receiver Keon Coleman a thing. Any other option in the progression is better.

 

No I don't think Allen played like crap. The MNF loss to the Zach Wilson Jets, that game he played like crap. This game he played below his MVP standard and made a few uncharacteristic errors.

[GoBills808]

35 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

@GoBills808 time to bring back Allen for Purdy and three 1st round picks

😂😂Is he talking about the one where shakir didn't get his foot down

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Reading between the lines of the postgame pressers, the prevailing theory inside OBD seems to be that Josh got rattled by the Falcons' stunts and pressures at the beginning of the game and it affected him throughout.  McD on Tuesday basically said "that's exactly what we try to do to the other teams' QBs - throw them off early and then it affects them the whole game."  I.e., that Allen lost confidence in his line and his ability to understand the pressure concepts moreso than in his WRs.  Not saying this is true or false just that it seems to be the narrative that's being put out there.

 

It is not the first time Ullbrich has done that to him. The loss to the Jets a few years back where he ended up hurting his elbow was strikingly similar.

 

It was Josh's worst game definitely since Houston last year. Possibly longer. And if I thought it was just that which caused us to lose Id be relaxed. But as much as I'd love to say "it was just Josh had one his very rare bad days, we are all good" there was a lot more wrong than that.

[BillytheKid]

17 minutes ago, Casey D said:

It was not all coaching.  He had throws to make to beat the blitz and simply did not see them or make them.

Once Kincaid wasn’t playing and Palmer got hurt he didn’t have that many options according to people who said they watched the All 22. Kincaid and Palmer and Shakir are the only ones that can get separation. Once there was no Kincaid or Palmer all the Falcons had to do was take away Shakir and it was over. 
 

Allen’s main problems in the game were the interceptions he threw. He obviously didn’t have a good game but it’s mostly because the receivers he was left with can’t separate and Joe Brady didn’t have the team ready for what the Falcons did blitz wise. So plenty of blame to go around. 

[BillytheKid]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think Allen led Shakir out of bounds on that 3rd down throw?

 

I have two legit criticisms for Allen from this game:

1) There were at least two hot routes he missed, one where he held the ball and one where he didn't read a telegraphed blitz.

2) He needs to stop forcing throws to Coleman. This criticism extends to last week too. I don't care if he's 1v1, it just isn't working and he seemingly hasn't progressed at all. We need a legit X receiver and that falls on Beane. Until then stop trying to make X receiver Keon Coleman a thing. Any other option in the progression is better.

 

No I don't think Allen played like crap. The MNF loss to the Zach Wilson Jets, that game he played like crap. This game he played below his MVP standard and made a few uncharacteristic errors.

The part I bolded is what Nate Geary and Joe Marino were both saying. They think McDermott and Brady are having Allen throw to him to try to get him going early in the game but they agreed with you that is isn’t working and Coleman isn’t good enough to just throw 50/50 balls to him and he needs to not be on the field as much. 

They were basically saying Palmer, Kincaid, Cook all need to be on the field for more snaps than they are getting. Saying the best receivers are only getting on the field for like 50% of the snaps along with Cook (maybe a little more) but all 3 need to be on the field for as many snaps as possible instead of forcing Coleman and others in there when they aren’t doing anything. 

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The problem is that's 2 weeks in a row he's played the same. Is he losing interest/ fire? Is he tired of not being supported properly by the front office? All of this stuff could be grating on him. I'd be tired of the front office's bullshyt too.

Josh has one of the best Olines in the league, one of the best running backs, and some solid role pieces in Kincaid and Shakir.   Yes, they desperately need a #1 wideout.  But Quarterbacks have done much better with less.  

[That's No Moon]

I've seen enough of the stupid backhanded ball flip.

[Success]

Allen spoils us a bit w/ his consistently great play.  It is absolutely normal for QB's to have a game like this once in awhile.  

 

He was just off his game. Probably pressing too much given the loss to the Pats and bad start against the Falcons.

 

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Josh has one of the best Olines in the league, one of the best running backs, and some solid role pieces in Kincaid and Shakir.   Yes, they desperately need a #1 wideout.  But Quarterbacks have done much better with less.  

@HappyDays

you know i was being facetious but if this truly is the prevailing sentiment (it's completely, unequivocally wrong btw), then yes- we should be looking at trading Allen for picks. You do not need a QB like Allen to run this offense and even tho it will 100% look worse w 31/31 other starters it would be in the long term interest of the team to build the Bills out in their image w that capital

[Gigs]

How is Babich still on the coaching staff? How has he not been fired yet? McD is not going to embarrass the guy, so hes going to embarrass the fans by letting him keep calling plays. 

 

First step in fixing the defense is finding someone who knows how to call plays, coach and adjust how they're playing the offense in front of them. But good on McD for giving the blind a job; such a nice person he is. 

 

What Im trying to say is: Bobby Babich would make an excellent Ref!

[tigerthelion]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think Allen led Shakir out of bounds on that 3rd down throw?

 

I have two legit criticisms for Allen from this game:

1) There were at least two hot routes he missed, one where he held the ball and one where he didn't read a telegraphed blitz.

2) He needs to stop forcing throws to Coleman. This criticism extends to last week too. I don't care if he's 1v1, it just isn't working and he seemingly hasn't progressed at all. We need a legit X receiver and that falls on Beane. Until then stop trying to make X receiver Keon Coleman a thing. Any other option in the progression is better.

 

No I don't think Allen played like crap. The MNF loss to the Zach Wilson Jets, that game he played like crap. This game he played below his MVP standard and made a few uncharacteristic errors.

That throw to Shakir was his best throw of the night.  Crazy to bring that up as a criticism of Allen if that was the throw being referenced.   The interception in the 1st half?  Absolutely a terrible throw by him.  Overall, you can't say that he played all that well, with 14 points and all.   There are plenty of missed throw by every QB in every game, but that was not him at his best for sure.  Hopefully the Falcons game will be the worst Josh plays this season.   He still needs help at WR, though, or even his best won't be sufficient. 

[billsherd]

After the loss to the pats offense was angry and ego hurt, and wanted to show that they can't be stopped. You can see from the first throw of the game. I think trying to press too much in the passing game and atlanta blitzing the way they did led to the bad game by Josh. 

[Jukester]

I’m not saying this with any certainty but just the timing of bad play the last two games makes me feel like Allen got concussed on this play against NE. Head bounces pretty hard off the turf

Its been so uncharacteristic, as his decision making over the past year and early this year has been stellar til these 2 games. 

[tigerthelion]

13 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Josh has one of the best Olines in the league, one of the best running backs, and some solid role pieces in Kincaid and Shakir.   Yes, they desperately need a #1 wideout.  But Quarterbacks have done much better with less.  

Have they, though?   Maybe over a short stretch, but not really long stretches, I don't hink.  KC lost talent on offense, so the team was carried by the defense for several years, and Mahomes' level of play definitely was not up to his usual level when this happened.    Can't think of other QBs doing much better with less talent.   I don't have the greatest memory, though. 

[Gigs]

1 minute ago, tigerthelion said:

Have they, though?   Maybe over a short stretch, but not really long stretches, I don't hink.  KC lost talent on offense, so the team was carried by the defense for several years, and Mahomes' level of play definitely was not up to his usual level when this happened.    Can't think of other QBs doing much better with less talent.   I don't have the greatest memory, though. 

Tom Brady made small white guys look like world beaters. He had Randy Moss for a while and looked unstoppable outside of the Giants