Sean took exception to Brady's decisions, did NOT "rip him a new one" but I like to exaggerate

[Billl]

13 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Cook not being the focal point the whole second half was just malpractice.

 

he should have had his tongue hanging out of his mouth begging to come off the field and they still should have said no stay out there.

 

That first down pass that ended up in a ten yard loss was just terrible, I understand the idea that you cant just run run pass but man they had to prove they could stop it and they never did.  New england did but Atlanta did not.

 

oh well.

Cook is on pace for over 300 carries on the season.  He’s already rushed 107 times in 6 games while his highest total in a season is 237.  If anything, they’re going to have to find a way to use him less if they want him to be healthy in January.  Just for the sake of comparison, Derrick Henry has 88 carries so far and Jonathan Taylor leads the league with 115.  

 

I agree that he needs to be on the field during the money downs, but this means his touches will need to be significantly reduced the rest of the time.  He’s just not built to carry the ball 20 times a game for 20 games.

[boyst]

18 minutes ago, T master said:

No but Ty being "The best 3rd down back in the league" last season should be out there & a jet sweep REALLY ?? Come on ... That's definitely on Brady not McD !!!

Ty can be on the field the same time as Cook. in fact shifting cook or johsnon or both out of the backfield can create chaos.

 

especially in a heavy TE set which we can run.

 

3rd and 3: Knox, Hawes, Johnson, Cook, Gilliam lined up in I-formation, Hawes on the right, with Gilliam has a right wing, Josh under center like it's a power run. shift to shotgun, Gilliam drops back off the line, Cook and Johnson go out wide, Cook to the right off line, Knox steps up to the line, Johnson goes off Knox.

 

The snap of the ball you have Cook to run a leak route, Hawes set the edge to have Josh peel right, Gilliam stepping up to block, Johnson setting up a slide screen for a back end drop off if Knox doesn't get open he can lead block a smal lscreen... josh can just run or drop off the pass to anyone

 

there is no innovation with putting our best talent on the field.

[Rubes]

27 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

My thing is they are blitzing hard, you have a game breaker at RB, why not line him up in the slot and just let him work against LBs on some quick slants or wheel routes?

 

Why do the Bills not run common sense routes against blitzes like slants?

 

 

It's mind boggling. I mean, Atlanta's defense was well known to be one of the highest blitzing defenses this year so far. It's not like they couldn't have seen it coming from a long way away. How did they not have a whole set of plays ready to go just for the blitz?

 

And it's not like they didn't...the TD to Davis was a perfect call for a blitz, and it worked perfectly. Where were these plays the rest of the game??

 

[Bruffalo]

20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That was a cute, supportive sound bite from Josh, but let's be clear and honest... Ty is not the best 3rd down back in the league. At least not this year/anymore.

 

It's on both Brady and McD since one is the OC and the other is his boss. And when you are HC, EVERYTHING that happens is either because you order it or allow it.

 

McD acting like he wasnt in the know and is somehow surprised/upset with it is just as much an indictment on McD.

 

Last season I think you had a pretty solid argument for Ty being the best 3rd down back in the league. He was clutch a number of times. It hasn't panned out this year.

 

After watching some game film analysis, I think Brady came into Monday with a horrible gameplan. The personnel decisions and situational playcalling is part of it, but thematically what he was trying to do didn't make a lot of sense. He wasn't maximizing the Bills strengths or attacking Atlanta's weaknesses. 

 

That's my only problem with the "everybody eats" mantra. It should be match up dependent, and you hammer those matchups until they make you stop.  One week it should be Cook blowing up gap runs (the only thing that was really working Monday, they should have done more of it), the next week Coleman has a big game against an inferior corner, etc...

Trying to keep even distribution of touches within every game makes zero sense to me. It's antithetical to a gameplan, because it makes your gameplan the same every week. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Bruffalo

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Rubes said:

 

It's mind boggling. I mean, Atlanta's defense was well known to be one of the highest blitzing defenses this year so far. It's not like they couldn't have seen it coming from a long way away. How did they not have a whole set of plays ready to go just for the blitz?

 

And it's not like they didn't...the TD to Davis was a perfect call for a blitz, and it worked perfectly. Where were these plays the rest of the game??

 

 

I mean they had another on 4th down and Ty Johnson wide open but instead of setting his feet and throwing, Allen decides to be lackadaisical and try that backhanded shovel that he has been getting away with a lot and now is starting to use when it's completely not necessary. Of course it ends up well short...Johnson had room to run as well if he put it on him.

 

But that Allen play, Rousseau lining up Offside to start the game, Brady trying to get "cute" on 3rd and 1 near midfield on a drive in the 2nd half that they could have tied the game on and instead of Allen shnowplow twice if needed to get it, he decides to run the exact same play they fumbled against the Patriots with Knox this time to Moore and he fumbles again and gets tackled 2 yards behind the LOS.

 

It's like stop being so freaking lackadaisical in these games and just do the things that work. It might be boring, but they work.

Edited 7 hours ago by Big Turk

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

Cook is on pace for over 300 carries on the season.  He’s already rushed 107 times in 6 games while his highest total in a season is 237.  If anything, they’re going to have to find a way to use him less if they want him to be healthy in January.  Just for the sake of comparison, Derrick Henry has 88 carries so far and Jonathan Taylor leads the league with 115.  

 

I agree that he needs to be on the field during the money downs, but this means his touches will need to be significantly reduced the rest of the time.  He’s just not built to carry the ball 20 times a game for 20 games.

yea that makes sense and I know that is why they are limiting him.

 

But they can get him a rest in future games when they get things squared away.  Monday night was a night to push him and go win the game especially with the bye week.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

 He’s just not built to carry the ball 20 times a game for 20 games.

 

I don't agree with this. People used to say it about Shady as well and what Shady and Cook have in common is they are good at avoiding the massive hits on their bodies because of how quick their feet are. Defenders rarely get clean hits on them. 

[T.E.]

17 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Bigger issue was just not even running the ball, after it was working. It was a 1-score game. Whether cook or ray or TY, we could have kept running that inside stuff and picking up chunk yards. I actually don’t think they ever stopped us on those runs.

Our line is clearly better at run blocking than pass blocking, and they were getting positive rushes every time between the tackles while having zero idea how to stop those blitzes. There is a real issue with stubbornness in regard to the coaching staff.

[BurpleBull]

Has anyone broken down Cook’s contract?

 

Is there anything in there that says that he’ll get a significant pay increase if he hits certain numbers at season’s end?

 

It feels like the OC is purposely trying to limit Cook’s production. 

[Goin Breakdown]

24 minutes ago, T master said:

Well McD could stand back and watch and do nothing like some folks do or at least say something instead of just standing there and doing nothing !

 

At least by saying something it shows that he has Terrys back rather than just sitting back watching someone else take charge .

 

But maybe that's just me ... 

you're taking this more serious than I am.
Yes he could have done nothing. He also could have fired him. There also 100 things in between he "could" have done. Nothing in that article suggested anyone got a new butt hole ripped. However, McD has his share of blame in this mess as well and he never really seems to learn from them. Does that mean he should talk to Brady? Nope but he still does need to look in the mirror. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Goin Breakdown

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Billl said:

Cook is on pace for over 300 carries on the season.  He’s already rushed 107 times in 6 games while his highest total in a season is 237.  If anything, they’re going to have to find a way to use him less if they want him to be healthy in January.  Just for the sake of comparison, Derrick Henry has 88 carries so far and Jonathan Taylor leads the league with 115.  

 

I agree that he needs to be on the field during the money downs, but this means his touches will need to be significantly reduced the rest of the time.  He’s just not built to carry the ball 20 times a game for 20 games.

 

I don't know about that...he rarely takes a good shot and when he is near the sidelines regularly runs out of bounds to avoid unneeded contact, which also helps mitigate that.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, T.E. said:

Our line is clearly better at run blocking than pass blocking, and they were getting positive rushes every time between the tackles while having zero idea how to stop those blitzes. There is a real issue with stubbornness in regard to the coaching staff.

 

You don't generally solve blitzes with the oline pass blocking. You have two ways: one is to run some more max protect stuff - which the Bills did on some play action looks and Josh had a fair amount of time on some of those, the problem is it means you have two receivers out in the pattern and with the Bills guys there is no way they are separating 2 v 4 against a secondary. The second is to build a ton of hots into your routes. I agree the Bills can do better in a gameplanning sense there but also there were some that were there and Allen held the ball. I'm not blaming Josh, but he got to the point on Monday that he wasn't trust what was around him and wasn't trusting what he was seeing. 

[Fleezoid]

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Edited 7 hours ago by Fleezoid

[Billl]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't agree with this. People used to say it about Shady as well and what Shady and Cook have in common is they are good at avoiding the massive hits on their bodies because of how quick their feet are. Defenders rarely get clean hits on them. 

Shady had 20 pounds on Cook, and he didn’t exactly spend his career in Buffalo budgeting for a deep postseason run.  Cook had 53 carries in the playoffs last year.  I don’t think that giving him nearly 50% more carries than he had last season and then expecting to increase his load even more in January is a recipe for success.

[T master]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

That was a cute, supportive sound bite from Josh, but let's be clear and honest... Ty is not the best 3rd down back in the league. At least not this year/anymore.

 

It's on both Brady and McD since one is the OC and the other is his boss. And when you are HC, EVERYTHING that happens is either because you order it or allow it.

 

McD acting like he wasnt in the know and is somehow surprised/upset with it is just as much an indictment on McD.

But when you have a blueprint for success that is proven and don't use it then during he game the calls don't go from the OC to the HC then to the field it goes from the OC to Josh and the personnel calls for those plays are determined by the OC because he is in charge of that up until the time th eHC goes WTF are you doing ??

 

Yes I agree that everything falls to the HC but in the heat of the game when McD has every one else decision making on his mind and is trying one would think because of the type of HC that I believe he is to right the ship there may be some things that get lost in th e mix .

 

Hell Reid started out this year 0 & 3 and apparently missed some things to put him there . So I don't think there was any acting on McD's part I think a lot of fans here are looking for any thing big or small to get rid of him but maybe that's just me ...

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Billl said:

Shady had 20 pounds on Cook, and he didn’t exactly spend his career in Buffalo budgeting for a deep postseason run.  Cook had 53 carries in the playoffs last year.  I don’t think that giving him nearly 50% more carries than he had last season and then expecting to increase his load even more in January is a recipe for success.

 

I just think people make assumptions on Cook based on his body type, but he has been one of the most durable and reliable backs in the league. Thank heavens he has to, because the Bills O is in trouble without him. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Cook is the second best player on the team. There is an organizational obsession with rotation. You know what’s better than fresh legs? Not putting the worse guys on the field. Stop doing so much and play the guys that are good. This ***** doesn’t even help 

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[T master]

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

Ty can be on the field the same time as Cook. in fact shifting cook or johsnon or both out of the backfield can create chaos.

 

especially in a heavy TE set which we can run.

 

3rd and 3: Knox, Hawes, Johnson, Cook, Gilliam lined up in I-formation, Hawes on the right, with Gilliam has a right wing, Josh under center like it's a power run. shift to shotgun, Gilliam drops back off the line, Cook and Johnson go out wide, Cook to the right off line, Knox steps up to the line, Johnson goes off Knox.

 

The snap of the ball you have Cook to run a leak route, Hawes set the edge to have Josh peel right, Gilliam stepping up to block, Johnson setting up a slide screen for a back end drop off if Knox doesn't get open he can lead block a smal lscreen... josh can just run or drop off the pass to anyone

 

there is no innovation with putting our best talent on the field.

In saying that who does that fall on ?

 

Isn't it the OC that draws that stuff up and is entrusted by the HC (which isn't in on the planning of every single play) to do so  ? And when it does fail th eHC needs to hold the OC accountable because ultimately its the HC's ass that gets reamed for the loss, so by McD chewing a bit of Brady's ass I think is a good thing he's doing his job & hopefully good change will come from it !! 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, T master said:

But when you have a blueprint for success that is proven and don't use it then during he game the calls don't go from the OC to the HC then to the field it goes from the OC to Josh and the personnel calls for those plays are determined by the OC because he is in charge of that up until the time th eHC goes WTF are you doing ??

 

Yes I agree that everything falls to the HC but in the heat of the game when McD has every one else decision making on his mind and is trying one would think because of the type of HC that I believe he is to right the ship there may be some things that get lost in th e mix .

 

Hell Reid started out this year 0 & 3 and apparently missed some things to put him there . So I don't think there was any acting on McD's part I think a lot of fans here are looking for any thing big or small to get rid of him but maybe that's just me ...

 

I'm not sure what you're arguing here because we agree.

 

I called it a coaching issue. OC is a coach. It's mostly on Brady, but McD isnt in the clear since the buck stops there.