The 2025 Current State of the Buffalo Bills is All on General Manager Brandon Beane

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

I think Beane is better at his job than McDermott is at his.  

 

Strong disagree.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Shared with my brothers -- we are all in our late thirties and early forties:

 

Some might say it's an overreaction, but is it? Or is it all just really really true?

 

I think this might be worse than the drought. It's potentially worse because you can feel the prime window slipping away -- worst nightmare coming true. Of course it's the Bills who couldn't win (or even get to!) a Super Bowl with an all-time QB. Of course it's the Bills who are on the verge of setting a record for playoff futility. Of course the Chiefs just continue to be great through it all and will deal the '90s Bills one final loss this January when they advance to their fourth consecutive Super Bowl. And of course it's Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels undoing our dominance -- like a continuation of a nightmare that never really ended. It's worse than the drought because at least then we were building from nothing and had hope of change. Now we know we have probably YEARS of mid upcoming, continuing to fall short, changes not being made, and there's nothing we can do about it, except hope that maybe it will be different in, I don't know, 10 years with a new QB and regime? When we're in our 50s and the possibility of the Bills not doing it in our lifetime really becomes really real?

 

(And of course there are more important things in life. This is strictly inside the vacuum.)

[Mat68]

Let’s see what they look like the next few weeks.  Hoecht was his big FA piece for defense along with Bosa.  Ogunjobi was the preferred 2 deep DT from FA.  Hoping they can help with the early down issues.  Maybe Hoecht will offer some odd front ability, or play off ball on early downs.    

[Dan Darragh]

13 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Shared with my brothers -- we are all in our late thirties and early forties:

 

Some might say it's an overreaction, but is it? Or is it all just really really true?

 

I think this might be worse than the drought. It's potentially worse because you can feel the prime window slipping away -- worst nightmare coming true. Of course it's the Bills who couldn't win (or even get to!) a Super Bowl with an all-time QB. Of course it's the Bills who are on the verge of setting a record for playoff futility. Of course the Chiefs just continue to be great through it all and will deal the '90s Bills one final loss this January when they advance to their fourth consecutive Super Bowl. And of course it's Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels undoing our dominance -- like a continuation of a nightmare that never really ended. It's worse than the drought because at least then we were building from nothing and had hope of change. Now we know we have probably YEARS of mid upcoming, continuing to fall short, changes not being made, and there's nothing we can do about it, except hope that maybe it will be different in, I don't know, 10 years with a new QB and regime? When we're in our 50s and the possibility of the Bills not doing it in our lifetime really becomes really real?

 

(And of course there are more important things in life. This is strictly inside the vacuum.)

I'm 71 and I've been doing this dance for 60 years.  Now THAT'S depressing. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Shared with my brothers -- we are all in our late thirties and early forties:

 

Some might say it's an overreaction, but is it? Or is it all just really really true?

 

I think this might be worse than the drought. It's potentially worse because you can feel the prime window slipping away -- worst nightmare coming true. Of course it's the Bills who couldn't win (or even get to!) a Super Bowl with an all-time QB. Of course it's the Bills who are on the verge of setting a record for playoff futility. Of course the Chiefs just continue to be great through it all and will deal the '90s Bills one final loss this January when they advance to their fourth consecutive Super Bowl. And of course it's Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels undoing our dominance -- like a continuation of a nightmare that never really ended. It's worse than the drought because at least then we were building from nothing and had hope of change. Now we know we have probably YEARS of mid upcoming, continuing to fall short, changes not being made, and there's nothing we can do about it, except hope that maybe it will be different in, I don't know, 10 years with a new QB and regime? When we're in our 50s and the possibility of the Bills not doing it in our lifetime really becomes really real?

 

(And of course there are more important things in life. This is strictly inside the vacuum.)

 

I'm a similar age to you but I have to say while that is possible it is definitely a negative way of looking at things. I am not saying it WON'T turn out that way but it is by no means inevitable that it will. I just don't understand doom forecasting like that when it might never happen. 

[Southern McButterpants]

I shudder to think of what this board will look like if we somehow lose to Carolina. 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, Southern McButterpants said:

I shudder to think of what this board will look like if we somehow lose to Carolina. 

 

Bills Mafia heading towards Beane and McDermott's houses.

 

[Bruffalo]

19 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Shared with my brothers -- we are all in our late thirties and early forties:

 

Some might say it's an overreaction, but is it? Or is it all just really really true?

 

I think this might be worse than the drought. It's potentially worse because you can feel the prime window slipping away -- worst nightmare coming true. Of course it's the Bills who couldn't win (or even get to!) a Super Bowl with an all-time QB. Of course it's the Bills who are on the verge of setting a record for playoff futility. Of course the Chiefs just continue to be great through it all and will deal the '90s Bills one final loss this January when they advance to their fourth consecutive Super Bowl. And of course it's Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels undoing our dominance -- like a continuation of a nightmare that never really ended. It's worse than the drought because at least then we were building from nothing and had hope of change. Now we know we have probably YEARS of mid upcoming, continuing to fall short, changes not being made, and there's nothing we can do about it, except hope that maybe it will be different in, I don't know, 10 years with a new QB and regime? When we're in our 50s and the possibility of the Bills not doing it in our lifetime really becomes really real?

 

(And of course there are more important things in life. This is strictly inside the vacuum.)

It's not worse than the drought. I don't understand how anyone could think that.

 

I'd rather have a relevant team that I enjoy watching vs. being a dumpster fire organization that's only slightly enjoyable if you've gotten hammered and jumped through a flaming table beforehand.  

 

For a more relevant example: I'd much rather be a Leafs fan, a perpetually decent team that gets booted from the playoffs in round 1 than a Sabres fan. I don't have that luxury.

[Governor]

28 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Shared with my brothers -- we are all in our late thirties and early forties:

 

Some might say it's an overreaction, but is it? Or is it all just really really true?

 

I think this might be worse than the drought. It's potentially worse because you can feel the prime window slipping away -- worst nightmare coming true. Of course it's the Bills who couldn't win (or even get to!) a Super Bowl with an all-time QB. Of course it's the Bills who are on the verge of setting a record for playoff futility. Of course the Chiefs just continue to be great through it all and will deal the '90s Bills one final loss this January when they advance to their fourth consecutive Super Bowl. And of course it's Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels undoing our dominance -- like a continuation of a nightmare that never really ended. It's worse than the drought because at least then we were building from nothing and had hope of change. Now we know we have probably YEARS of mid upcoming, continuing to fall short, changes not being made, and there's nothing we can do about it, except hope that maybe it will be different in, I don't know, 10 years with a new QB and regime? When we're in our 50s and the possibility of the Bills not doing it in our lifetime really becomes really real?

 

(And of course there are more important things in life. This is strictly inside the vacuum.)

Yeah, I think we’ll look back and say that our fan perceived mirage of a window slammed shut in the last Chiefs playoff game. In a way you could say the Falcons passed us as the “new” new in the NFL. We look really old and outdated all of a sudden as far as coaching, style, team build. We’re the “millennial still wearing skinny jeans” of the NFL.

Edited 3 hours ago by Governor

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

It's not worse than the drought. I don't understand how anyone could think that.

 

I'd rather have a relevant team that I enjoy watching vs. being a dumpster fire organization that's only slightly enjoyable if you've gotten hammered and jumped through a flaming table beforehand.  

 

For a more relevant example: I'd much rather be a Leafs fan, a perpetually decent team that gets booted from the playoffs in round 1 than a Sabres fan. I don't have that luxury.

 

John Elway won a Super bowl at like 40.  Mannings best teams and statistics rarely resulted in any playoff success.  I think both of his SB wins were in some of his weaker seasons in Indy and Denver.  

 

Punch a ticket, anything can and probably will happen.  I still think they're well on their way to that.  

[stlbills13]

I still believe that we will get it done but the team just looks "off". Players are struggling, scheme looks unprepared and easy to predict, but I've said this in multiple threads: My biggest concern with this team right now is that they look too comfortable. And that includes the coaching staff. There seems to be a low level of accountability. Even with our lack of depth, there is no reason for guys like Rapp or Tre or Coleman to continue to see so much playing time. I think they need to make a big move just to shake some things up and send a message. I would also be very willing to move a "locker room guy" even if they're making strong contributions so far. I need this team to play pissed off angry football. 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

John Elway won a Super bowl at like 40.  Mannings best teams and statistics rarely resulted in any playoff success.  I think both of his SB wins were in some of his weaker seasons in Indy and Denver.  

 

Punch a ticket, anything can and probably will happen.  I still think they're well on their way to that.  

 

The last Super Bowl Manning won his skills were totally shot. The Broncos defense carried that team to a Super Bowl win. 

[Boatdrinks]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm a similar age to you but I have to say while that is possible it is definitely a negative way of looking at things. I am not saying it WON'T turn out that way but it is by no means inevitable that it will. I just don't understand doom forecasting like that when it might never happen. 

BBFS… I mean Vrabel and McDaniels are the Bills undoing because of a 3 point win ? The fatalism runs deep on this board. 

[Bruffalo]

Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

John Elway won a Super bowl at like 40.  Mannings best teams and statistics rarely resulted in any playoff success.  I think both of his SB wins were in some of his weaker seasons in Indy and Denver.  

 

Punch a ticket, anything can and probably will happen.  I still think they're well on their way to that.  

 

I think so too, these two losses are overblown because of how frustrating they were.  

The Bills have serious structural problems but I think they're mostly correctable if the coaching staff can get on the same page. There's flashes in every game of what they can be, I don't think it's unreasonable to think they'll be able to adjust. 

 

 

[DapperCam]

16 hours ago, zow2 said:

Too late this year but the Bills need an entire philosophical change on defense. Schemes and everything. They get pushed around so easily up front and are a read and react D on the back end. That’s not winning football for playoff games.

They actually said they were going to do that this past offseason. Hairston and Bosa was a move in that direction, and maybe Walker/Landon Jackson. But other than that, it was a half-effort.

Edited 3 hours ago by DapperCam

[Boatdrinks]

17 minutes ago, Southern McButterpants said:

I shudder to think of what this board will look like if we somehow lose to Carolina. 

Stay away for a few weeks at least, as a loss is certainly possible. Not inevitable by any means,  but possible. 

[BrooklynBills]

Beane and McDermott are completely tied together. Beane is the GM but make no mistake, this is McDermott's show. My guess is McDermott is heavily involved in the draft strategy.

[Livinginthepast]

The young fans dont know what it was to have a revolving door of clowns at HC and GM as the drought was. I really appreciate having competent grownups at both positions like McD and Beane. That being said I dont take offense when people criticize them as not being good enough. I think there is ample evidence so far on McD not being able to get us to a SB. I also think Beane deserves some heat for whiffing on some picks and free agent signings. He has also inexplicably overpaid some players on this team not allowing us much wiggle room  in the cap. There's no point sugarcoating these justifiable criticisms. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, KOKBILLS said:

I love Pickens as a player... You don't have to sell me on the idea...

I'm just telling you... As far as Beane and McD will see it, Diggs is Mother Teresa compared to Pickens... 

welp, the good guy doesn’t always win in the end. Hate to say it but imagine how good the Bills would be with scumbag Tyreek Hill torching the top of defenses and opening up the middle for Kincaid/Shakir. I wouldn’t want him on the team I am just proving a point. If someone great like Pickens is available for as little as a 3rd round pick idc if he’s got a little bit of a diva mentality. Take a chance. Figure out a contract that gives them an out. I’m not going to do Beanes job.

 

 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

The young fans dont know what it was to have a revolving door of clowns at HC and GM as the drought was. I really appreciate having competent grownups at both positions like McD and Beane. That being said I dont take offense when people criticize them as not being good enough. I think there is ample evidence so far on McD not being able to get us to a SB. I also think Beane deserves some heat for whiffing on some picks and free agent signings. He has also inexplicably overpaid some players on this team not allowing us much wiggle room  in the cap. There's no point sugarcoating these justifiable criticisms. 

Young and old fans are both capable of realizing we had a revolving door of HC’s and GM’s because we didn’t have a QB. 
 

The #1 reason we stopped being a clown show was Josh Allen, not the buttoned up Carolina boys.

 

The history of the NFL is littered with “kinda crappy franchise, then somehow coincidentally incredible when they got a great QB, then immediately back to crappy when they lost their great QB.”

 

Indy without Manning and Luck was a horror show. The Broncos were a joke until Peyton came over. The Pats with the greatest coach in history were a bottom 3 team after Brady left. 
 

Culture and continuity is set by the guy throwing the football. Always and forever.