A Few Thoughts about the Falcons Game - Community Edition

[Virgil]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Here's a thought - in the last year of Highmark Stadium there might be zero playoff games played there. That affects season ticket sales for next year. Is that enough of a reason for Pegula to make big changes?

 

Nope.  They got their PSL money already.  

[CincyBillsFan]

Great review as always.  I would add:

 

Your point 2:  Spot on about Allen.  He's clearly overcompensating trying to save the day which only lessons his effectiveness.  

 

Your point 3:  the 52% spent on offense is a bit misleading as Allen's big time QB salary distorts that figure.  The fact remains that over the last 6 seasons in which Allen has been  an elite QB the Bills have made only one big time move on offense, where big time is defined as signing a big name FA or jumping into the top half of the draft - when they signed Diggs.  

 

 

[Virgil]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

Great review as always.  I would add:

 

Your point 2:  Spot on about Allen.  He's clearly overcompensating trying to save the day which only lessons his effectiveness.  

 

Your point 3:  the 52% spent on offense is a bit misleading as Allen's big time QB salary distorts that figure.  The fact remains that over the last 6 seasons in which Allen has been  an elite QB the Bills have made only one big time move on offense, where big time is defined as signing a big name FA or jumping into the top half of the draft - when they signed Diggs.  

 

 

 

I was debating leaving Josh out of the percentage, but figured I'd get called out either way.  

[billsfan_34]

16 minutes ago, appoo said:

Groot was fairly good today.
 

Keon is a pretty good complementary WR which is basically what you’re hoping out of the first pick in the 2nd round. 

Groot likes to line up in the neutral zone. This team is loaded with mental error guys. 

[Maine-iac]

Things add up.   Allen flat out missed several throws.  Bishop alone missed at least 4 tackles and I stopped counting in the first half.  Cam should have had a pick.  Shaq should have had a pick.  For a game where our offense and defense played so badly there were still opportunities to steal a win and we were having none of it.

[iwishitwerecolder]

Just trade Josh at this point. Get some capital for him and rebuild.

[dcinmuncie]

This is just a bad effing football team right now

[HappyDays]

49 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

Also, in the Manning/Brady years, there was only one year when either of those QBs had garbage WRs. The following year the patriots fixed it and added Moss and Welker. Their GMS ALWAYS gave them someone to throw to 

 

On our final few drives, we were trying to feed the ball to Elijah Moore and Tyrell Shavers. Imagine trying to win a Super Bowl and that's the best you give your QB to work with. Unreal. 

[paulmm3]

All three of our defensive starters who signed big contracts last offseason suck now. That is a major problem.

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

On our final few drives, we were trying to feed the ball to Elijah Moore and Tyrell Shavers. Imagine trying to win a Super Bowl and that's the best you give your QB to work with. Unreal. 

 

That thought hit me hard last week vs New England with their CBs locking us down.  
 

That was reality check time.  

[Mr. Wonderful]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

On our final few drives, we were trying to feed the ball to Elijah Moore and Tyrell Shavers. Imagine trying to win a Super Bowl and that's the best you give your QB to work with. Unreal. 

 

Sad but true.

[Nelius]

Agree with all great write up

 

I think it’s worth extending Groot’s futility to AJ as the two combined are anything but consistent. They have a combined 9 seasons in the league now and the media still treats them as like up and coming? Any time they make a splash play it’s treated as unique and not like something that they should be doing regularly. They’re the present and we’ve unfortunately probably seen their ceiling, which is infuriating. 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, Nelius said:

Agree with all great write up

 

I think it’s worth extending Groot’s futility to AJ as the two combined are anything but consistent. They have a combined 9 seasons in the league now and the media still treats them as like up and coming? Any time they make a splash play it’s treated as unique and not like something that they should be doing regularly. They’re the present and we’ve unfortunately probably seen their ceiling, which is infuriating. 

 

AJ has been dead to me since 2024.  

[Dick_Cheney]

1 hour ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

Josh suddenly looks human.  No weekly heroics like last season where it all magically came together.

Defense getting shredded.  To Beane's credit he tried to address in the draft but D is bad.  Really bad.

WR's suck.  No speed.  No separation.   Not sure what can be done to fix the lack of talent.

All teams have warts but the potential of facing Mahomes in the playoffs again looks daunting.    

 

I truly think he has reached or nearly reached a psychological limit of recognizing the lack of talent on offense, and to some extent the team all together. 

 

It's like having a group project and everyone else is a knuckle dragging mouth breather, and you have to decide whether or not you are going to step up and try to get everything done yourself, or you're gonna let everyone else bring you down. And sometimes, the project is just too complex and too involved to be able to do all on your own, no matter how good you are.

 

I don't think it's reasonable at all to expect Josh to be playing his best football or even maybe close to his best football when there is just such a heavy weight of futility around everything. Something has to change and it has to change fast. 

[Success]

I agree w/ every word of that wholeheartedly.  Every part of that OP is 100% spot on.

 

How did we get here? I always dismissed talk of windows closing, with the old standby "we've got Josh."  But we have asked way too much of Josh for way too long, and no doubt about it - what he's not saying w/ words, he is saying w/ his body language and expressions. 

 

Our window is closing, or closed.  A player like Allen can definitely get a 2nd window, but this isn't where I expected to be in week 6.  

 

40 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Things add up.   Allen flat out missed several throws.  Bishop alone missed at least 4 tackles and I stopped counting in the first half.  Cam should have had a pick.  Shaq should have had a pick.  For a game where our offense and defense played so badly there were still opportunities to steal a win and we were having none of it.

 

I agree.  But we should NOT have to steal a win against a team like Atlanta.  And that is no disrespect to them - they are building a good thing there.

 

But we're supposed to be on another level, and we were coming off of a tough primetime loss.  This game shouldn't have been a loss, and it shouldn't have been close.  It really wasn't close, but not the way we would have thought.

 

I'm glad we didn't get a play to turn it, in a way. It would have let us celebrate and largely ignore the glaring problems on this team.

 

[corta765]

10 minutes ago, Success said:

Our window is closing, or closed.  A player like Allen can definitely get a 2nd window, but this isn't where I expected to be in week 6.  

Two things about these points and I agree also.

 

1. programs over time and the voice lose their luster unless you are always at max and getting max results. McD has had a very good run minus a ring here but at some point the message fades. No coach has made a SB for the first time from year 8 or later so that alone is uncharted territory and I’d be my mortgage against McD that he is first.

 

2. regarding windows we know what this team is at max and not with McD. Not all loses are the same and in back to back weeks the offense has been horrendous and the big reason they lost. Your own intuition isn’t wrong, they look like a team with this coach that has gone as far as it can and it probably gets worse before better. Had they lost these last two weeks 38-35 but the offense rolled at least guarantee you wouldn’t care. Instead the whole operation feels at fault.

 

I truly believe the right new voice would do wonders here and the window could be huge IF it was done properly. History is very kind to great QBs with new coaches and success. Allen still has one major window left and then the old guy hey you never know window that happens. But until that change happens we’re just recycling the same sh*t over and over.

[TFBillsfan]

Agree on so many points.

 

Beane and the ENTIRE staff should be in the hot seat right now! They are literally pissing away a golden opportunity! 
 

We spent 90% of our draft and FA on the D!  For this? At some point, there has to be accountability. Beane continues to miss in the early rounds and it’s clearly creating roster issues. Outside of Shakir, we have nothing at WR. That’s just criminal.
 

D scheme: It’s beyond maddening how this D gets run over or constantly gives up wide open passes. The D doesn’t pass rush well, cover well or stop the run! That buck has to stop with McDermott as it’s his D. Because our D is so bad, McDermott is running a methodic, time consuming offense. You have Josh as your QB and you’re literally neutering him. Just idiotic!

 

Groot, Benford, Rapp, Tre, Taron are having a very bad season thus far. These are experienced vets who’ve been in your system. You can’t have 5 out of 11 starters that play this bad. 
 

Tackling: I’ve never seen a NFL team that tackles so bad. It is just horrible. Dorian Williams, Taron Johnson, Rapp and Bishop are a human highlight reel of missed tackles. 

3 minutes ago, corta765 said:

Two things about these points and I agree also.

 

1. programs over time and the voice lose their luster unless you are always at max and getting max results. McD has had a very good run minus a ring here but at some point the message fades. No coach has made a SB for the first time from year 8 or later so that alone is uncharted territory and I’d be my mortgage against McD that he is first.

 

2. regarding windows we know what this team is at max and not with McD. Not all loses are the same and in back to back weeks the offense has been horrendous and the big reason they lost. Your own intuition isn’t wrong, they look like a team with this coach that has gone as far as it can and it probably gets worse before better. Had they lost these last two weeks 38-35 but the offense rolled at least guarantee you wouldn’t care. Instead the whole operation feels at fault.

 

I truly believe the right new voice would do wonders here and the window could be huge IF it was done properly. History is very kind to great QBs with new coaches and success. Allen still has one major window left and then the old guy hey you never know window that happens. But until that change happens we’re just recycling the same sh*t over and over.

If a change were to occur, we have ZERO in house options. 

[billsfan714]

1 hour ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

 

Sad but true.

Dont worry Curtis Samuel will be back for a couple of quarters before he gets hurt next time. 😀Another great Beane signing.

[TheBrownBear]

Our secondary and receivers suck and our coordinators aren't good enough to scheme around these glaring weaknesses. We have to find a way to upgrade the talent there and it isn't likely to happen this year.  Looking like a lost season.  Probably 10-7 or so and a first round playoff exit.

Edited 4 hours ago by TheBrownBear

[billsfan714]

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Its getting like with Elway, there was a time to move on from Dan Reeves and go in a new direction.  Ive been there for a while with both Beane and McD.