10/13/2025 Bills at Falcons - Post game thread

[CircleTheWagons99]

[MikePJ76]

6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Does anyone really believe Larry Oogieboogie and Jochen Hecht are going to turn this putrid defense around?

No.

 

the hope is with oliver's return, hopefully Milano's return, the excellent play of walker that all of these guys together can make the defense better overall.  Getting hairston back is the one that could really help but it doesn't seem like he is going to play anytime soon.

 

I don't understand the narrative around hoecht and ogunjobi.  The steelers cut ogunjobi because he was lousy against the run his best trait.  Doesn't seem like the rams or the steelers are missing these players.  Fingers crossed they help here.

 

if these two are not above average difference makers for the bills then Beane has a lot of explaining to do because they are the only hope of the free agent class on defense after getting eliminated two years in a row because the defense was awful vs KC.

[Dillenger4]

9 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Does anyone really believe Larry Oogieboogie and Jochen Hecht are going to turn this putrid defense around?

Nope. Maaayyyybe Hoicht. But not much of a bump.

As long as we have Tre at CB, Bernard at LB and Bishop at Safety - we are toast. Carolina will beat us. Bank it. They looked tough vs Dallas.

We are that "older" team in the mens hockey league kinda team. Window shut.

[muppy]

3 hours ago, boater said:

The vibe of TSW...

 

The "Fire McDermott and Beane" crowd and the "Bills suck" crowd (who were abused children, BTW) are going to have a heyday with their posts this week. The "I told you so's" will be unbearable, even more unbearable than a Patriots fan or a WGR caller.

 

It will be curious to me whether Allen gets takes any heat. Criticizing him is verboten among the negative nancies, will they put their blinders on and overlook yesterday's performance?

 

It's going to be a long two weeks until we visit the Panthers...who are undefeated at home. This will get uglier before it gets better.

greetings. The next 2 weeks may be a great time to keep off sports social media. Im just being real with it. 

 

the positives to look forward to are returns to the roster. and obviously Bills football. which we all adore or we wouldn't be so upset at what we saw last night

 

I won't be able to completely stay offline but what I bolded in RED I believe to be true. The  rooster deficiencies were exposed (on national television)  

 

this team is in trouble.  I don't want to believe that  but I do

 

 

 

 

[Dillenger4]

Just now, muppy said:

greetings. The next 2 weeks may be a great time to keep off sports social media. Im just being real with it. 

 

the positives to look forward to are returns to the roster. and obviously Bills football. which we all adore or we wouldn't be so upset at what we saw last night

 

I won't be able to completely stay offline but what I bolded in RED I believe to be true. The  rooster deficiencies were exposed (on national television)  

 

this team is in trouble.  I don't want to believe that  but I do

 

 

 

 

Yep. 100%. BIG TROUBLE. 

[Success]

As bad as that loss was - I think if any of Samuel, Palmer or Kincaid was in the game, we win.

 

I can't remember us punting so much in a game. The announcers were talking about it at length in the 2nd half - Allen really only had Shakir to look to reliably, and you could see that in how the offense played.  There were quite a few times where Allen was able to evade the rush but clearly could not find anyone open.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, Success said:

As bad as that loss was - I think if any of Samuel, Palmer or Kincaid was in the game, we win.

 

I can't remember us punting so much in a game. The announcers were talking about it at length in the 2nd half - Allen really only had Shakir to look to reliably, and you could see that in how the offense played.  There were quite a few times where Allen was able to evade the rush but clearly could not find anyone open.

 

 

This board hates Kincaid but he seems to get a lot of defensive attention…Josh looks really uncomfortable without Kincaid out there 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

In the first half I could see that! But the second half the Bills D played relatively well and only gave up 1 FG and actually blocked one.. The O did nothing the second half of the game pretty much.. it happens.

The die was cast in the 1st half.  Sure the D played a lot better in the 2nd half but by then the Bills were down by 2 TD's.  

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The die was cast in the 1st half.  Sure the D played a lot better in the 2nd half but by then the Bills were down by 2 TD's.  

The offense got the ball back MULTIPLE times in the 2nd half down one score.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

20 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This board hates Kincaid but he seems to get a lot of defensive attention…Josh looks really uncomfortable without Kincaid out there 

They even noted pregame that Brady told the commentators that they needed to essentially use a different playbook with Kincaid out. 

[ALLinALLEN]

Going through all-22 now...what the hell is this coverage on the second play from the game?

 

 

[PatsFanNH]

15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The die was cast in the 1st half.  Sure the D played a lot better in the 2nd half but by then the Bills were down by 2 TD's.  

 True, but a SB contender O should easily overcome a 2 TD deficit with an entire half to go and the Bills in the past with Allen have easily overcome that. 

[colin]

2 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Going through all-22 now...what the hell is this coverage on the second play from the game?

 

 

 

 

That look like not very good players being so utterly concerned about being in the right position in the holy and wonderful scheme that they are told they are not good enough to run, that they let the only guys who pose any threat get wide open.  a lack of instinct, a lack of talent, and most of all a d that wants to make every blade of grass covered instead of the modern nfl idea of taking something away and pressing something else and forcing the O to beat you with what they aren't best at.

 

 

[ngbills]

30 minutes ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Going through all-22 now...what the hell is this coverage on the second play from the game?

 

 

Well Penix has been absolutely destroying teams with his legs so you have two DL guarding the line and 4 QB spys covering the rest of the field...

[Pete]

50 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

The offense got the ball back MULTIPLE times in the 2nd half down one score.

3 times we got possession with a chance to tie, after defensive stops.  Bills got 29 yards in 3 possessions.  Bills D got it done with duct tape and bungee cords in the second half.  Offense did not play complimentary football.  
 

Same failures as last two playoffs, when D gave the Offense a chance to tie or win the game.  The offense failed in the playoffs too.

[Roundybout]

Go hire Bill Belichick at HC and Mike McDaniel as OC and let the chaos reign 

[jlatas]

13 minutes ago, Pete said:

3 times we got possession with a chance to tie, after defensive stops.  Bills got 29 yards in 3 possessions.  Bills D got it done with duct tape and bungee cords in the second half.  Offense did not play complimentary football.  
 

Same failures as last two playoffs, when D gave the Offense a chance to tie or win the game.  The offense failed in the playoffs too.

I read that Cook last touched the ball with 11:45 left to go in the 4th quarter...if that's true, then somebody needs to lose their job!

[Pete]

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/onsi/joe-brady-stubborn-play-calls-cost-slumping-bills-two-weeks-in-a-row-jet-sweep-james-cook

[sven233]

1 hour ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Going through all-22 now...what the hell is this coverage on the second play from the game?

 

 

 

I've been looking at this for a while and really can't figure it out.  I opened it up and immediately said Cover 2.  But because the image was a little dark, I didn't see all of the players in the middle of the field on first glance.  So, it's obviously supposed to be some kind of zone coverage.  Maybe Cover 6?  But I don't think that's right either with where everyone is.

 

But I think that's your point, right?  It isn't good and there are players way out of positions.  It looks like some players are playing one coverage and other players are playing another and nobody is actually covering anybody and the "zones" are basically non-existent because of where the players are.  Without knowing the call, we will have no idea who is in the wrong spots, but I pray to God this isn't actually a coverage scheme we have in the playbook. 

 

There is obviously a reason guys were running open all night.  And this is not the only play there was apparent miscommunication on.  Happened multiple times.  I haven't had a chance to get to the All 22 myself yet.  Probably because I am scared about what I am going to see.  But it's no wonder Beane thinks our WRs are good enough at creating separation.  They go against our defense every day in practice so, of course, they are going to get open.  Ugh....this is going to be an ugly couple of weeks.

[ALLinALLEN]

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

I've been looking at this for a while and really can't figure it out.  I opened it up and immediately said Cover 2.  But because the image was a little dark, I didn't see all of the players in the middle of the field on first glance.  So, it's obviously supposed to be some kind of zone coverage.  Maybe Cover 6?  But I don't think that's right either with where everyone is.

 

But I think that's your point, right?  It isn't good and there are players way out of positions.  It looks like some players are playing one coverage and other players are playing another and nobody is actually covering anybody and the "zones" are basically non-existent because of where the players are.  Without knowing the call, we will have no idea who is in the wrong spots, but I pray to God this isn't actually a coverage scheme we have in the playbook. 

 

There is obviously a reason guys were running open all night.  And this is not the only play there was apparent miscommunication on.  Happened multiple times.  I haven't had a chance to get to the All 22 myself yet.  Probably because I am scared about what I am going to see.  But it's no wonder Beane thinks our WRs are good enough at creating separation.  They go against our defense every day in practice so, of course, they are going to get open.  Ugh....this is going to be an ugly couple of weeks.

Yeah, my point is I have no idea why 4 Bills are holding the 45 yard line and not spread out more given where the Falcons players are...and this was the VERY FIRST PASS PLAY of the game, 2nd play overall after the fumble.