Tired of "everyone eats".

[EssexBill]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Well, you always need to get better. I don’t think an argument can be made that the Bills are better than a bottom 5 WR room. Will that ultimately cost them? TBD. It did cost them dearly the other day. 
 

Amari is obviously cooked and looked so out of shape in his brief return this offseason. Who is this year’s “Cooper?” Olave? Jakobi Meyers? Doubs? DJ Moore?

 

I’d try calling Arizona and offering a 1st and whatever WR they want for MHJ. It’s a long shot but maybe it’s just not working out there? I saw an article today with the OC there saying that he didn’t do enough to get him the ball. Maybe you can slide in and buy him cheap from a 🗑️organization. I think there’s about a 2% chance Arizona would listen but it’s worth the call. 

if you don’t ask you don’t get.

 

I’d hope Beane has had the phone glued to his ear since Monday morning trying find a WR, let’s hope someone takes his call

Edited 4 hours ago by EssexBill

[LabattBlue]

37 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Don't look at top teams, look at those who go furthest in the playoffs. 
 

Philly played more games than anyone. They had 1 player over 90% of the snaps. 3 in the 80%. 1 in 70%.
 

The WR with the most snaps was 69%, then 66% and 58%. Their QB played 80%. 
 

Cheifs played a ton. 
 

90% 5 (4 OL and Patty)
80% 1 (Kelce)

70% NONE

60% 2 

 

Highest WR snap counts were 65%, 59%, and 36%

 

Commies:

 

90% 3 (QB and 2 OL)
80% 2 (1 WR)
70% 1
60% 3 (2 TEs)

 

Next WRs were in the 40s

 

ProFootballReference has snap count data, feel free to comb through it last year. 

I did use pro football reference.  Cute that you only used the two super teams and ignored some other playoff teams that did have a WR over 80%.  

[jlatas]

1 hour ago, EssexBill said:

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We need this season’s Cooper

Am I the only one out here that thinks Cooper was a bust??? I feel like the only reason most dont b*tch about him is that he only cost us 800K. He didnt look like he was interested in playing football, and while he did have a couple of great catches, he added very little imo.

Edited 3 hours ago by jlatas

[JaCrispy]

7 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

I find the focus on the offense to be truly bizarre.

 

It's been historically good.  If we fall short this year it will be because of the defense, again.  

You mean “when”…

[MasterStrategist]

58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

In the 8 games that Cooper played, the Bills threw for 264.4 yards per game and scored 35.5 PPG.

 

In the 8 games that Cooper did not play, the Bills threw for 203.6 yards per game and scored 28.1 PPG.

For those of you that don’t think that 7.4 PPG difference is significant, the Bills finished 2nd in the NFL at 30.6 PPG. If you subtracted 7.4 PPG and were at 23.2 PPG they would have finished 12th.

Anyone who thinks Cooper was the reason for improvement --- did you watch the games?

 

Josh was playing at an MVP caliber, obviously, and we were getting solid production from our RBs (especially Ty) in pass game.

 

Cooper was a decoy who was already over the hill, hence his retirement this offseason.

 

Brady has better/healthier weapons right now...and we are struggling, against Saints at times and Pats, because hes become more predictable and Josh just isnt playing at his top level yet.  Same as LY, Josh turned it on 2nd half- hopefully we see the offensive rhythm improve, because weve been very inconsistent 2 weeks in a row, possibly 3 dating back to Miami.

[EssexBill]

11 minutes ago, jlatas said:

Am I the only one out here that thinks Cooper was a bust??? I feel like the only reason most dont b*tch about him is that he only cost us 800K. He didnt look like he was interested in playing football, and while he did have a couple of great catches, he added very little imo.

Like I said, it wasn’t so much that Cooper put up great numbers but his presence opened up the field for the rest of the receivers. Would have been nice to get more production from him too, but I don’t think we’d have made the AFCCG without that trade I really believe that 

[Jauronimo]

Its time for the new "Some people eat, some of the time!" offense.  

[LabattBlue]

Time for “everybody eats” to be replaced with “who’s hot and who’s not”. 

[BeastMaster]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

It's simply not realistic to expect a team's A game for months. In the last calendar year:

 

- Under 15 TOs

- 1 loss at home

- Consistently scoring 30

 

A bad game was inevitable, we were never going 17-0 and this team is way too talented to play well and lose. 

That's all well and good, but the same issues that have plagued this team in crucial spots once again reared it's ugly head

 

I think that is more of the complaint here...that we aren't seeing the coaching staff adjust and adapt to what many of us fans see as a problem that has to be addressed

[LABILLBACKER]

I wouldn't be opposed to Beane accidentally stumbling on a WR1 to pair with Kincaid. Keon is definitely not going to be that guy.  And Shakir will continue as a reliable WR2.

[JimBob2232]

Sure - I'd love a jamar chase or something...but our WRs and TEs are fine.   similar to what mahomes has.  id rather upgrade the LB and CB/S slots.  

[Kirby Jackson]

32 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Anyone who thinks Cooper was the reason for improvement --- did you watch the games?

 

Josh was playing at an MVP caliber, obviously, and we were getting solid production from our RBs (especially Ty) in pass game.

 

Cooper was a decoy who was already over the hill, hence his retirement this offseason.

 

Brady has better/healthier weapons right now...and we are struggling, against Saints at times and Pats, because hes become more predictable and Josh just isnt playing at his top level yet.  Same as LY, Josh turned it on 2nd half- hopefully we see the offensive rhythm improve, because weve been very inconsistent 2 weeks in a row, possibly 3 dating back to Miami.

Again, argue eye test all that you want. I posted FACTUAL numbers. No one is advocating for Amari Cooper. It’s INARGUABLE, that the passing game and scoring was better in the 8 games that he played vs. the ones that he didn’t. That’s all that post said. You are coming here to say, “yeah but this” and “yeah but that.” Feel free to argue for whatever you want except please don’t argue that the passing game AND scoring weren’t better with him than without. The numbers are the numbers

[Buffalo Boy]

7 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

I find the focus on the offense to be truly bizarre.

 

It's been historically good.  If we fall short this year it will be because of the defense, again.  

  I don’t think it’s bizarre because the O has looked kinda wonky in the passing  game and we got beat by the Pats, which hurts and is frustrating.

  I think a decent amount of people don’t give Vrabel as much credit as he is due. They are a clear # 2 and we shouldn’t take them lightly.

   But, yeah, the Defense is looking like 💩. As usual, offseason rose colored glasses were worn by many. There were a lot of “if” opinions being treated as “when”. The problem with hoping and wishing is the real world doesn’t pay them any heed. 
   Bishop is exceeding expectations so that’s a plus. Oliver came out gang busters for a game. Rookie Walker has been a pleasant surprise and maybe Jones but the rest🤷‍♂️

   

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, jlatas said:

Am I the only one out here that thinks Cooper was a bust??? I feel like the only reason most dont b*tch about him is that he only cost us 800K. He didnt look like he was interested in playing football, and while he did have a couple of great catches, he added very little imo.

Lol, this conversation wasn’t about “was he good or not in a Bills uniform.” The FACTS are that the offense produced at a much greater clip with him in the lineup than without him there. You can attribute that to whatever you want but you can’t say that they didn’t have more success. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

Lots of other teams pay high priced WRs and have a highly paid franchise QB.  That’s a cop out 

Sure, but then you don’t have a line or defense either. I think with the rising costs of free agent receivers, you are better off drafting receivers and letting them walk after their rookie contracts. 

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Again, argue eye test all that you want. I posted FACTUAL numbers. No one is advocating for Amari Cooper. It’s INARGUABLE, that the passing game and scoring was better in the 8 games that he played vs. the ones that he didn’t. That’s all that post said. You are coming here to say, “yeah but this” and “yeah but that.” Feel free to argue for whatever you want except please don’t argue that the passing game AND scoring weren’t better with him than without. The numbers are the numbers

Numbers are the numbers, thats fine.  But it wasn't Coop all himself- in fact little to do with him IMO.

 

Just like we didnt put up record numbers on offense, because of Coop.  Low turnovers on offense, defense forcing turnovers--- all led to higher scoring.  Point is, stats are a real reflection of results, but what was the catalyst?  Thats where eye test says "not cooper".  Playing fundamentally sound/very efficient offense, behind an MVP performance from Josh --- that's the reason.   If we traded for the second coming of Kelvin Benjamin, we still get similar output. 

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Now, this isn't directed solely at the OP, but the board as a whole - we lose one game against a decent team by a last second field goal where we lose the turnover battle -2 and commit 12 penalties and suddenly everything is wrong with the team. We act like Sunday night was the norm and not the exception. 

 

It was not just the one game though. The offense fell into a rut against the Saints and Dolphins too. Against the Saints we had 4 consecutive drives in the 1st half that ended with no points. We were struggling to move the ball for like 50 minutes of the Baltimore game. Everything came to a head against the Pats but those issues did not mysteriously appear out of nowhere. They are fundamental issues and unlike the defense there aren't any reinforcements coming to potentially fix them. We're still going to win a lot of games but the goal is to win a championship and it's questionable if we can achieve that goal with the issues that have been showing up on both sides of the ball.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by HappyDays

[QCity]

14 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Numbers are the numbers, thats fine.  But it wasn't Coop all himself- in fact little to do with him IMO.

 

 

I'm pretty sure Coop was only averaging something like ~39% of snaps in his starts.

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It was not just the one game though. The offense fell into a rut against the Saints and Dolphins too. Against the Saints we had 4 consecutive drives in the 1st half that ended with no points. We were struggling to move the ball for like 50 minutes of the Baltimore game. Everything came to a head against the Pats but those issues did not mysteriously appear out of nowhere. They are fundamental issues and unlike the defense there aren't any reinforcements coming to potentially fix them. We're still going to win a lot of games but the goal is to win a championship and it's questionable if we can achieve that goal with the issues that have been showing up on both sides of the ball.

 

You would have felt the same way last year if you were a Philly fan. The Eagles went 2-2 before their week 5 bye. and in three of those four games failed to reach 24 points. They actually lost 33-16 in Tampa going into that bye. Must have been a fun two weeks on Philly sports talk radio. 

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

You would have felt the same way last year if you were a Philly fan. The Eagles went 2-2 before their week 5 bye. and in three of those four games failed to reach 24 points. They actually lost 33-16 in Tampa going into that bye. Must have been a fun two weeks on Philly sports talk radio. 

 

Philly goes into this weird funk every year, it's unexplainable. I guess the difference there is that I know the skill position talent is a lot better than the production they've gotten out of it, so I have more faith that they can turn it around as they did last year in the playoffs. I don't think the Bills have the personnel to suddenly become a dominant offense that can steamroll opponents.