Tired of "everyone eats".

[YodaMan79]

The whole “everybody eats” approach might sound like balance, but it’s really the football version of saying you’ve got two starting quarterbacks.  It's a diplomatic way of admitting you don’t have one true game-changer. I don’t want to hear it anymore.

 

When the commentators talked about it on Sunday night like it was a good thing, I completely lost it. Either the organization is lying to itself, or they think we as a fan base are clueless. Consider this my therapeutic vent, a realization that the front office is failing this roster and its fans.  Like the Eagles, this team could easily be 3-2, 2-3. They just don't pass the eye test. 

 

On the bright side, no one team looks unbeatable this year. I’d say maybe 4–6 teams have a real shot to win it all.  So, why not the Bills!?!?

Edited 2 hours ago by YodaMan79

[Andrew Son]

I find the focus on the offense to be truly bizarre.

 

It's been historically good.  If we fall short this year it will be because of the defense, again.  

[Yobogoya!]

I think it's an OK philosophy in the sense that the offense isn't being hamstrung by any one particular star player- the Patriots operated like that for most of their dynasty sans the Randy Moss years. 

 

Sure they had certain mainstays, like Gronk, Welker, Edelman, etc. 

 

But for the most part they rode whoever the "hot hand" was in a certain game. I think that's what the Bills are missing- Kincaid was carving the Pats up, so why not keep feeding him? If the guy whose finding the sweet spot is Shakir, then feed Shakir. If it's Cook, then feed Cook. 

 

Once you've unlocked the guy who's having success, you can stop trying to spread the ball around until they stop it. If their defense adjusts, THEN you spread the ball around again. Once McDaniels and Maye figured out that Diggs wasn't going to be stopped all game, they fed him to the tune of his biggest game in over two years. It's really that simple. 

[ShakAttack]

3 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

The whole “everybody eats” approach might sound like balance, but it’s really the football version of saying you’ve got two starting quarterbacks.  It's a diplomatic way of admitting you don’t have one true game-changer. I don’t want to hear it anymore.

 

When the commentators talked about it on Sunday night like it was a good thing, I completely lost it. Either the organization is lying to itself, or they think we as a fan base are clueless. Consider this my therapeutic vent, a realization that the front office is failing this roster and its fans.  Like the Eagles, this team could easily be 3-2, 2-3. They just don't pass the eye test. 

 

On the bright side, no one team looks unbeatable this year. I’d say maybe 4–6 teams have a real shot to win it all.  So, why not the Bills!?!?

 

 

It's the beginning of the season still.  It's certainly not the first time 4-6 teams look to have a shot to win it all by Week 5.  The question is, which of these 4-6 teams will be healthy in another 5 weeks from now, among other things.  Trust me, a lot of these teams might come back down to earth by that point, and the Pats could very well be one of them.  I would tend not to include the Bills, because we have shown year after year that we are still among the top teams in the league by December/January.

 

My concern for this team is the same as it has always been unfortunately:

 

We (still) do not have a playoff caliber defense.  And we are probably the weakest defense in that group of 4-6 teams you mentioned.  THAT is a problem.  It always has  been.  It's the reason we NEED to have a first round bye to have any legitimate shot at the SB imo AND it's the reason this loss to the Pats was a lot bigger than "just 1 loss".  The swing from potentially have a 3 game lead in the division to a 0.5 game in the division, while the Pats arguably have the easiest remaining schedule in the NFL, is massive.

[Bills14221]

Did you watch the first half against the Patriots?   The defense held them to six points with several short fields.  If the offense figured itself out they could have been well ahead.   Their last two losses the offense had the ball with the chance to score at the end of the game and couldn’t.  

[JohnNord]

Not passing the eye test?  I don’t know, you could say that about just about every team this season.  
 

To your point, I think the problem isn’t that they don’t have a true WR1 - it’s that the overall talent at WR isn’t higher.  Shakir is a nice slot WR - I’d say he’s toward of the middle of the league.  But the rest - Coleman, Samuel, and Palmer are likely WR3’s and WR4’s on most teams.

 

The other problem is that there’s not a lot of versatility and too much redundancy in skill sets.

 

Shakir is easily their best slot WR but he doesn’t play outside much.  Samuel and Moore are almost identical in their skill sets.  Keon is the 50/50 guy and could be utilized better in the slot, but because of the duplicate skill sets he always plays outside where he fails to separate and get down the field.  

the you have Palmer who also plays exclusively on the outside.  He can separate but isn’t the burner that stretches the field.  
 

All in all I don’t have a problem with the mentality.  In fact, I think a lot of Josh’s INTs in the past came from balls forced to Gabe Davis and Diggs. I like the idea of unselfish play at WR but I think they failed to raise the talent level

 

[zow2]

At times it sounds like a cop-out type of slogan. Like we don't have a legit #1 WR downfield so let's call it "everyone eats" so all the receivers buy in and Allen isn't pressure to throw the ball to anyone specifically.

I mean let's be real, "everyone eats" does not apply to the RB room.  James Cook eats 5-star meals every week in the running and passing game but the other RB's go starving,,,, because they don't produce! 

[JohnNord]

8 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

I find the focus on the offense to be truly bizarre.

 

It's been historically good.  If we fall short this year it will be because of the defense, again.  

If you’re looking at Weeks 1-4, I’d agree.  Although there were times the offense was stagnant for stretches, in the end they put up 30+ with few turnovers

 

But last Sunday the offense was a big reason why the lost.  We’ll see what happened next Monday

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

If you’re looking at Weeks 1-4, I’d agree.  Although there were times the offense was stagnant for stretches, in the end they put up 30+ with few turnovers

 

But last Sunday the offense was a big reason why the lost.  We’ll see what happened next Monday

The overall body of work over the past two years shows that it was an off day, not some systemic problem.

 

The defense on the other hand...

[TheWei44]

Just now, JohnNord said:

If you’re looking at Weeks 1-4, I’d agree.  Although there were times the offense was stagnant for stretches, in the end they put up 30+ with few turnovers

 

But last Sunday the offense was a big reason why the lost.  We’ll see what happened next Monday

Even focusing just on last Sunday's game, and the offense specifically, don't think it can be pinned on "everybody eats" mentality.  The dumb Knox/Allen sweep?  The Keon fumble on a fairly pedestrian tackle? Very little to do with EE.  Has everything to do with dumb mistakes.  We rarely lose turnover battle and we did on Sunday.  And we lost a close one.

[Buffalo Ballin]

New England Patriots defense is pretty nice to hold us in check for..the entire game. To win.

[MikePJ76]

I can't believe the nonsense this week from one loss.  How can Bills fans not know how to handle a loss?

 

 

[T master]

Given what the Bills have for weapons if it was a true statement that everyone does eat then I'd say no but Brady isn't making that happen . Knox, Samuel, Ty, Shavers, Moore, have not been implemented into to scheme & Palmer has been used very sparingly .

 

Then there is Gilliam which has good hands & should be included in something other than ST's, add the rookie TE into the equation other than the 1 catch he made there is plenty of weapons to utilize but they are not doing so .

 

There are going to be some games that not every body is going to get targets but if you spread it around to those that I mentioned I feel it would be very hard to game plan against this team or for that matter stop them in most cases . The Pats game the window of use for these guys was very narrow and many more of these weapons should have been used and weren't !!

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

“Everyone eats” is also about salary allocation. They can’t pay a superstar free agent WR at the current WR rate. Our best hope is to hit a home run in the draft at WR— which we could have done had we drafted McConkey instead of Coleman (but that’s another debate).

[BuffaloBaumer]

The Patriots secondary will be the best the Bills face all season. Brady was just an idiot for not getting Shakir and Kincaid more involved in the middle of the field. Hopefully he learns from this...

[Ga boy]

13 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

I think it's an OK philosophy in the sense that the offense isn't being hamstrung by any one particular star player- the Patriots operated like that for most of their dynasty sans the Randy Moss years. 

 

Sure they had certain mainstays, like Gronk, Welker, Edelman, etc. 

 

But for the most part they rode whoever the "hot hand" was in a certain game. I think that's what the Bills are missing- Kincaid was carving the Pats up, so why not keep feeding him? If the guy whose finding the sweet spot is Shakir, then feed Shakir. If it's Cook, then feed Cook. 

 

Once you've unlocked the guy who's having success, you can stop trying to spread the ball around until they stop it. If their defense adjusts, THEN you spread the ball around again. Once McDaniels and Maye figured out that Diggs wasn't going to be stopped all game, they fed him to the tune of his biggest game in over two years. It's really that simple. 

Interesting comparison.  Me thinks that our skill guys are better than the Pats teams that won those Lombardis, but then there’s the coach.

[Mark80]

Over 30 points in 4 out of 5 games and people just whine and complain.  My lord.  We had a bad game.  3 turnovers was the problem.  Countless penalties was the problem.  "Everybody eats" was not the problem.  There is a reason why there has only been 1 team to go undefeated for an entire season in the history of the league.

[zow2]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

I can't believe the nonsense this week from one loss.  How can Bills fans not know how to handle a loss?

 

 

 

It's fun.. the threads about retiring Mr. Brightside, being tired of everyone eats, never wearing the rivalry jersey again, etc. are hilarious. 

[MasterStrategist]

Everyone eats is the nice way of saying we have zero divas at WR/anyone that we need to force targets too.

 

I dont mind the saying - just rather we get more creative with our pass route concepts and get less predictable on offense.

[Fleezoid]

What if there's only enough food for one person. I'd be pretty pissed if I had to split a 12 oz steak with 5 other people.