Beans and Sean - Should we miss the SB again

[Governor]

Can anyone think of a past example of a defensive HC that had a very successful team but his side of the ball sucked and is the reason why the team can’t get over the hump? I can’t.

[BananaB]

58 minutes ago, Casey D said:

This thread is so repetitive and waste of time.  Bill Cowher won his first and only SB after 10 seasons.  With this front office and coach turning the franchise from a laughingstock to a consistent power and media darling, no one is going nowhere anytime soon.  Give it a break.

Bill Cowher is a terrible comparison. I know people like it because he’s a defensive minded coach and it took him a while to win but Cower never had Josh Allen playing QB. Cower did win a Super Bowl after drafting Ben and did it his second season with the team. I think Cower is a better coach then Tomlin and believe the Steelers probably win a few more had he stuck around. 

 

McD has the most prolific scoring QB of all time playing at an elite level for 5 straight seasons. 

[SinceThe70s]

52 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

😂😂I don't love rex Ryan

I'm saying I think he would have taken this team further

 

That's fine, didn't intend to put words in your mouth wrt loving Rex.

 

I'm highly skeptical that the Rex we saw would have taken us where you think he might have with Josh. Interested in why you think the opposite.

 

What impressed you so much about Ryans time with the Bills that makes you think he could've taken us with Josh to the SB? He was 4 years past his two years with Sanchez and was 26-38 after those two magical years after with Sanchez.  

Edited 2 hours ago by SinceThe70s

[GoBills808]

Just now, SinceThe70s said:

 

That's fine, didn't intend to put words in your mouth wrt loving Rex.

 

I'm highly skeptical that the Rex we saw would have taken us where you think he might have with Josh. Interested in why you think the opposite.

 

What impressed you so much about Ryans time with the Bills that makes you think he could've taken us with Josh to the SB? He was 4 years past his two years with Sanchez and was 26-38 after those two magical years with Sanchez. 

Nothing impressed me about Ryan here

 

But his Jets teams were waaay more competitive than they had any right to be. One of the best examples of getting the most out of your roster that I remember, esp considering the competition at the time

[Nihilarian]

Oh man, they are wasting Josh Allen's best years...cry...whine...piss...moan!

 

Buffalo was 6-6 in 2023, and Miami was 9-3 at week 14. Things were not looking good for Buffalo to win the division. McD went on to fire Bills OC Ken Dorsey and replace him with Joe Brady.  Buffalo went on to play Miami in Miami for the last regular-season game and won. Thus, taking the division.

 

Josh Allen made mistakes in this last game against the Patriots, as he is not a god but a mortal human who makes mistakes at times. He needs a strong supporting cast, and he usually has one most of the season.

 

The ONLY team with more wins over the last 5 seasons has been the KC Chiefs, and this GM/HC has built a culture here in Buffalo that hasn't been seen since the early 90's. Even then, this franchise hasn't had bottom-of-the-barrel seasons to gain that first overall pick like a Bruce Smith. This regime has managed to find an elite QB by trading and not by losing. Every year, they draft at the back of the draft and attempt to find the best players they can. Pretty darn good job to stay at the top of the AFC year after year. 

 

Currently, the injuries that usually happen at the end of the season have happened at the start to some rookies who are desperately needed to bolster the secondary.     

The current Buffalo Bills GM/HC is among the very best in the NFL, and thinking that somehow things will get better if they are replaced is a pipe dream, meaning those who are thinking this are doing opium in a pipe.  

 

Quantifying the exact odds of hiring a better replacement for a fired NFL head coach is impossible, but historical data and analysis show it is an extremely difficult task with a low success rate. While teams often see a small initial bump in performance, this is frequently a result of "regression to the mean," and sustained success is elusive.

 

Some Buffalo Bills fans can't stand limited success, so they want to join the Cleveland Browns in a never-ending search for a better GM/HC. Or perhaps become the NY Jets, whose last playoff win was the 1968 Super Bowl. 

[Mikie2times]

12 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

 

Some Buffalo Bills fans can't stand limited success, so they want to join the Cleveland Browns in a never-ending search for a better GM/HC. Or perhaps become the NY Jets, whose last playoff win was the 1968 Super Bowl. 

Ahh yes, without McD and his defense and Beane extending Bernard and the like, the whole franchise falls apart. Seems likely. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Mikie2times

[SinceThe70s]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Nothing impressed me about Ryan here

 

But his Jets teams were waaay more competitive than they had any right to be. One of the best examples of getting the most out of your roster that I remember, esp considering the competition at the time

 

Agreed on Ryans time with the Jets first two years (20-12). Not so much next four years (26-38). How did Rex do with a Bills team "esp considering the competition at the time". Or is that a pass?

[Toyo321]

The team has taken a distinct nose dive on raw talent at most of the D positions.  This team is more of a cast me off roster from other teams,  more than ever before.  We sign  questionable players that should not even be starting on a SB caliber team..  #27 White  to be exact.  We sign crap receivers instead of keeping the one that produced more last year than any of the ones we signed this year.  #13 Mack Hollins..namely

 

Our Defense is a whole other issue too.  We just have no real talent anywhere at LB and in the  D backfield.  They are terrible athletically, they cant tackle, they cant cover the opponents #1 WR to save their lives.  Bishop needs more work but he has potential.

 

I just don't know how to shed the dead weight on this team before the draft deadline.  We don't have a single defensive player that can make game changing plays right now.   Bosa has been So So, and Oliver is hurt.   It is really hard to put together a D to make a difference when your  5 games into the season.

 

We need players that can impact and change a game.....In one play.  We don't have them this year.......where are they.   Accept for Bishops pick against the Saints and Oliver's forced fumble against Henry and the Ravens.

 

https://www.jaguars.com/video/k000527-highlight-devin-lloyd-intercepts-mahomes-pass-and-takes-it-99-yards-for-the-td

 

Beane has turned into a refuse recycling company, try to reuse everyone else's trash and hope he can dust it off, shine them up a little and think you have new impact player to throw on the field.  Not.................

Edited 1 hour ago by Toyo321

[Chaos]

19 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Bill Cowher is a terrible comparison. I know people like it because he’s a defensive minded coach and it took him a while to win but Cower never had Josh Allen playing QB. Cower did win a Super Bowl after drafting Ben and did it his second season with the team. I think Cower is a better coach then Tomlin and believe the Steelers probably win a few more had he stuck around. 

 

McD has the most prolific scoring QB of all time playing at an elite level for 5 straight seasons. 

Tomlin also won a SB with the same QB.  Manning, Brady orBen went to the super bowl practically every year for like 20 years.  Great coaches don't squander great QBs.

[cgang]

there is no way in hell pegula fires beane and mcdermott.  it is their job to lose.  and when I say lose, I mean mcd or beane retires. We can argue whether that is the best for the franchise five ways come sunday but it is what it is;  

 

[Nihilarian]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Nothing impressed me about Ryan here

 

But his Jets teams were waaay more competitive than they had any right to be. One of the best examples of getting the most out of your roster that I remember, esp considering the competition at the time

This shows what you know...

 

Rex Ryan was a moron who took the best defensive line in the league (2014 Buffalo), which had the most sacks (54), and then had the drop into pass coverage or take on O linemen so the crappy linebackers could make the plays. His defensive scheme, which he used despite not having the proper players to run it.

Ryan took a 9-7 team and made them worse in Buffalo. 

[ALLinALLEN]

I'll add something that has been pretty frustrating and glaring to me this season.

 

Beane and McD have continued to POUR assets into the Defense via draft, FA, etc.. - we all know that. And it hasn't worked out - which we also know. Meanwhile, the rules of the game are HEAVILY favored to the offense right now. I mean just within the last few years weve got D PI flags constantly being thrown, QB's protected like crazy from hits etc...and the new kickoff rules basically give you the ball at the 35 every drive. That coupled with kickers being automatic (which is funny we even thought to keep Bass) basically makes it incredibly easy to get points. Oh and our QB is a gun slinging MVP.

 

Given all this - we STILL neglect to give Allen the tools he needs at WR. It's mind blowing. You give Allen an elite WR option, and a few Cook runs, and you should immediately be in FG range EVERY DRIVE. But no, we trot out guys like Curits Samuel and Tyrell Shavers who cant get open, throw jump balls to Keon Coleman, and hope Kincaid can go for 70+ weekly as a TE. 

 

All while pouring assets into the Defense, which is a losing game nowadays. With all the rules and favor to the offense right now, it seems to me Beane is unwilling to adapt. Does he understand this?

[Goin Breakdown]

47 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

tae

Where's the stats??  LOL 

 

Just Google the coaching careers of the Jet's, Giants, Miami, Throw Buffalo in there for past 25 years,  Cleveland, Jax, Indy just to name a few.  Bengals should be on the list but Mike Brown was too cheap to ever fire Lewis.   These teams would hir a coach, 3 or 4 years later team is no better so fire the next one.  These were teams that didn't have good records to start with so the ability to improve is pretty large.  In the case of the Bills now, the window to improve is very small based on how they've already done.

I understand what you're saying but I only meant it as a joke. Turns out it was a bad joke. I wasn't being serious. You can't quantify an old cliche. "The grass isnt always greener on the other side". People are always asking for stats for opinions to matter. 

[Simon]

48 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I know people like it because he’s a defensive minded coach and it took him a while to win but Cower never had Josh Allen playing QB. Cower did win a Super Bowl after drafting Ben and did it his second season with the team. I think Cower is a better coach then Tomlin and believe the Steelers probably win a few more had he stuck around. 

 

One of the biggest Sunday clowns I have ever seen.

Bill Cowher is one of the three most overrated coaches in the history of the NFL.

[BigDingus]

I think they NEED to go if they don't make the SB this year. The only exception is if they beat the Chiefs in the playoffs & lose a close game to someone else.

 

This team isn't getting noticeably better. The Chiefs have drafted later than us & managed to fix their D before "defensive-minded" McDermott did. Our cap has situation has prevented us from making any big moves for 2 years, and next year doesn't look much better. 

 

And because we've wasted multiple drafts on early picks that havent become big impact players, we're relying almost exclusively on our existing guys, free agents & late round picks to overachieve to close the gap.

 

But is our D better than it was 3 or 4 years ago? Or did we just get slower & worse at stopping the run?  Is our offense as good? Or did we just switch from a pass-focused offense that couldn't run consistently, to a run-focused offense that can't pass beyond 10 yards?

 

Is yet ANOTHER draft from Beane & McDermott going to be the fix? Are more bargain bin FA signings going to be the fix? 

 

The only thing I can see making a big difference is a complete defensive shift. McD being released would mean Brady leaving too, so we'd just have to hope we pair Allen with an offensive-minded HC who can find a good DC.

[Mikie2times]

I said this before but it didn’t seem to get a lot traction. I think McD will likely just leave the team by maybe the end of 27 or 28 if he still hasn’t gotten it done. The reason I feel this way is I don’t think Terry will do it. But I also don’t think people understand how uncomfortable it will be coaching this team at that time if he still hasn’t gotten to a Super Bowl. The fan base will turn on them and it won’t be pretty. 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

I highly doubt he fires his GM and HC going into a season where they’re opening a new stadium 

[Rocbillsfan1]

I’ve given them the benefit of the doubt but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t ready to move on after 13 seconds. Just doesn’t seem like they were ever going to recover from that. I still feel like the Diggs situation began to spiral after that as well. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Rocbillsfan1

[DuckyBoys]

14 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I said this before but it didn’t seem to get a lot traction. I think McD will likely just leave the team by maybe the end of 27 or 28 if he still hasn’t gotten it done. The reason I feel this way is I don’t think Terry will do it. But I also don’t think people understand how uncomfortable it will be coaching this team at that time if he still hasn’t gotten to a Super Bowl. The fan base will turn on them and it won’t be pretty. 

Sadly Josh will be 33 and might not be close to the player he is now by then

[Ray Finkel]

6 hours ago, Gregg said:

A lot of people (myself included) would welcome a change, but Terry likes Beane and McDermott as his GM/HC combo. Unless the Bills completely fall apart and miss the playoffs I don't see either one in danger of losing their jobs. Even if they did miss the playoffs Terry would probably give them another year to fix the problem.

Big problem when you have nobody over the GM in both organizations.  McDermott hired Beane which is even more backwards in  the corporate structure.