The final play to Shakir. Samuel was wide open for easy TD

[MikePJ76]

So yes, Shakir was interfered with as you can see in the image...he is hit the ball is not there yet.....But If Allen just stayed in the pocked he had a simple throw for an easy 30 yard TD to Curtis Samuel.  Not sure why Josh bailed on good protection.  

 

Shakir was 100% hit early and also as you can see in the other image Allen was hit in the head after the throw.  Everything was called in this game and they let these go for some reason.  There is simply no explanation for it.  

 

TO Be Clear the second picture the ball in front of shakir was on its way to him not bouncing off.  It was as obvious as it gets that it was PI why the whistle was swallowed who knows?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by MikePJ76

[zow2]

Josh was getting knocked around pretty good in that 2nd half.. Not sure how that affected him? if any.   He had some nice throws but definitely missed a few open guys.

[Walking Tall]

Trade him. 

[DapperCam]

My personal theory is Allen escaped a clean pocket because he was flirting with the idea of running for the first down (or at least running to make it 4th and short).

 

Which is definitely a mental mistake because the Pats were playing zone and showed zone presnap (nobody went with the WR in motion). Maybe he thought they were pretending to be in zone but were actually going to be in man.

[QB Bills]

All sarcasm aside, that's an awful play by Allen. Bailed out of the pocket early, which I can only assume wasn't by design with the way the routes were being run. As such, he misses an almost sure TD. He's the best in the game, but he's not infallible.

[Brand J]

Josh didn’t have the laser-like focus last night. Still made plays to win the game, but Drake made more. Pats deserved the win.
 

I don’t know why Allen has gone back to bailing out of clean pockets. He’s done that a few times in the last couple weeks. Wish he was more like Mahomes and Jackson from that standpoint - run around like a squirrel in the pocket until something breaks downfield, but he’s leaving clean protection which shortens the field and invites the rush. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Not sure why Josh bailed on the pocket when he actually had good protection for once. 

 

Although I don't think it would've been an easy TD to Samuel if he stayed in the pocket. There was a safety back there that read Josh rolling to his right and he chose to let Samuel go. If Josh stayed in the pocket the safety probably sticks on Samuel. 

[yall]

Allen had a poor game overall last night. 

 

I hate to say it but he had that deer in the headlights look that he gets sometimes.

[dave mcbride]

Samuel doesn't actually look that open to me. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

Allen was off all night. But I give him the benefit of the doubt. No QB is going to be great every single game. Sometimes it's going to be a struggle. I expect him to continue to play at an MVP level. 

 

The defense....different story. Sometimes you need a D to step up and help a struggling offense. If one guy needs to be perfect to win games, this team will never win a SB. 

[HappyDays]

Allen moves on from Samuel because #0 on the Pats is getting depth after the snap. That would have been an easy INT if Allen continued staring down Samuel and threw that ball. #0 also ends up taking away the short crossing route to Shakir so Allen bails right because that's where his options are going to be and there's no contain player on that side.

 

I'm not a fan of the concept on the left side of the field. If you want to put #0 in conflict you have to make him declare sooner. Have Kincaid run a whip route for example and force #0 to commit to him which opens up Samuel's deep route. Because #0 isn't put into conflict until Shakir crosses the field he is able to put himself into position to take both routes away. This is where Brady's lack of experience gets us into trouble.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by HappyDays

[Brand J]

Also, you see how the defender stayed on the ground for a second? He was sure he’d be called for PI.

[bouds]

31 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

My personal theory is Allen escaped a clean pocket because he was flirting with the idea of running for the first down (or at least running to make it 4th and short).

 

Which is definitely a mental mistake because the Pats were playing zone and showed zone presnap (nobody went with the WR in motion). Maybe he thought they were pretending to be in zone but were actually going to be in man.

They also spied him.  In a weird way they invited him to roll out left.  Because 2 loops inside, has an open gap to shoot up the middle but just spies.

 

Edit: I don't think Allen was off all night, he was locked in that first half, was fine coming out after half, but the 4th could have been better.  Maybe he left some opportunities on teh field but you could say that a lot about this season pass wise.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by bouds

[oldmanfan]

No one other than Kincaid had a good game yesterday, Josh included.

[Cray51]

13 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

So yes, Shakir was interfered with as you can see in the image...he is hit the ball is not there yet.....But If Allen just stayed in the pocked he had a simple throw for an easy 30 yard TD to Curtis Samuel.  Not sure why Josh bailed on good protection.  

 

Shakir was 100% hit early and also as you can see in the other image Allen was hit in the head after the throw.  Everything was called in this game and they let these go for some reason.  There is simply no explanation for it.  

 

TO Be Clear the second picture the ball in front of shakir was on its way to him not bouncing off.  It was as obvious as it gets that it was PI why the whistle was swallowed who knows?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, New England got away with that no call big time

[MikePJ76]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Allen moves on from Samuel because #0 on the Pats is getting depth after the snap. That would have been an easy INT if Allen continued staring down Samuel and threw that ball. #0 also ends up taking away the short crossing route to Palmer so Allen bails right because that's where his options are going to be and there's no contain player on that side.

 

I'm not a fan of the concept on the left side of the field. If you want to put #0 in conflict you have to make him declare sooner. Have Kincaid run a whip route for example and force #0 to commit to him which opens up Samuel's deep route. Because #0 isn't put into conflict until Palmer crosses the field he is able to put himself into position to take both routes away. This is where Brady's lack of experience gets us into trouble.

 

Uhh no.

 

If the ball is thrown on time and out in front of Samuel its a TD or an incompletion.  0 is never getting to a ball thrown to the corner there in any scenario.  0 is at the 18 yard line and samuel the 13.  Even if Allen throws it shorter on a line and its not a TD its a completion.

Edited 4 hours ago by MikePJ76

[SMAKCruiser]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Samuel doesn't actually look that open to me. 

I agree.  The corner would've moved in and picked that ball if Allen tried a hero ball to Samuel against the grain.

Edited 4 hours ago by SMAKCruiser

[Process]

Shakir did a really poor job on that play (and also clearly got interfered with)

[MikePJ76]

2 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said:

I agree.  The corner would've moved in and picked that ball if Allen tried a hero to Samuel against the grain.

look at the still image.  Samuel is at the 8 yard line and 0 is at the 18 still.  There is no way he is getting there if allen loads up and throws a dart.  And that is late in the play, had it been thrown on time its a completion for sure, maybe not a TD but a completion.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

Uhh no.

 

If the ball is thrown on time and out in front of Samuel its a TD or an incompletion.  0 is never getting to a ball thrown to the corner there in any scenario

 

Yeah you're just wrong about this. Allen threw that exact INT a bunch of times when Dorsey was the OC. You're vastly underestimating how quickly an NFL CB can get depth, especially Christian Gonzalez. He's the high/low conflict defender, the problem is the low option doesn't show up until a few seconds after the ball is snapped so he is able to declare himself high and Allen has to move on. Bad play design that Allen miraculously solves on his own, as usual, except the referee didn't throw the obvious flag.