For all you McDermott haters, who would you want? (Now a poll)

[Draconator]

This is now a poll. I went with names I had seen here. I added Babich as he's part of the current regime. If there's another name I should add, let me know and I'll edit the poll. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, BananaB said:

They are different teams. There is no comparison. This D  is weak against the run, weak against the pass and terrible on 3rd down. With that many problems you don’t go far. 

i was replying to this '...there aren’t many runs where a team doesn’t have to score 27-30 points one or more times anymore...' when there was just one two yrs ago

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Defense is the most important thing in every sport. It’s the only way to sustainably win big games. If you can’t make stops, you are asking your offense to be perfect every drive every week. That’s why we still have no rings. The defense is the problem. The defense getting fixed is how we win a Super Bowl. Unfortunately step 1 of fixing it is removing our own HC from the room

they are not going to get rid of McDermott

 

so actually it's the opposite. they need to stop investing so much capital on defense and go all in w Allen and offense

 

like ive been saying for the last 5yrs

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

How about Mike McCarthy ?

I’m not quite in the fire mcd camp but teetering haha   There’s no good HC candidates this offseason unfortunately.  I think they gotta give him one more year and make 2026 Super Bowl or bust and hope someone else emerges tbh.  All the guys that have gotten hype have completely fallen off so far.  Maybe they could fire him midseason in 2026 if things don’t look great and have Brady take over for a time 

 

honestly maybe I’d give spags another shot if he wants to leave kc but it seems like people only want offense now and idk if he’d even leave 

Edited 2 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

i was replying to this '...there aren’t many runs where a team doesn’t have to score 27-30 points one or more times anymore...' when there was just one two yrs ago

they are not going to get rid of McDermott

 

so actually it's the opposite. they need to stop investing so much capital on defense and go all in w Allen and offense

 

like ive been saying for the last 5yrs

They need to invest in a DC. Just tell McDermott go be the head coach. You no longer control the defense or really even touch it. Just like Brady with the offense. Worry about getting guys ready and learning how a time out works 10 years later. Hire Wade Phillips to be DC and tell McDermott to stay tf out of the room

[Urban Achievers]

Just listened to McD Monday presser. Most weeks I swear I think it’s a replay of one from any previous year picked at random.  It’s like a politician's jargon that sounds good but is nothing of substance.  I tune back in to them always hoping for something that makes me do a double take and not this feeling of presser rerun. 

 

ps yes I know he’s a good guy and culture changer etc.  this is not a personal knock just my own take of his pressers. 
 

Go Bills!

[T master]

8 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Josh is now the Elder Statesman of the Bills. All of his receivers are 5+ years younger. They all look to him for guidance. I think the urgency was there. They just couldn’t get into any offensive flow because of the lack of running game and constant flags. This was as sloppy as a game I’ve ever seen. That was the only way the Pats were going to win. Even a Bills offense performing at 80% would’ve smoked New England. 

Should have smoked the Bills . I was hoping that they would have used Ty Johnson a bit more if Cook isn't doing much then use Ty and possibly a 2 back set and put one in motion or something . Brady doesn't think to do things like that as much as.

 

Or bring in a FB in a traditional 2 back set but once again Brady doesn't seem to want to change to those types of plays , it's not like the talent isn't there he has many weapons at his disposal ! He only utilized Knox I think twice, even after the drop I feel he should have or could have used him as a target if you go the ammo use it .

 

I saw towards the end of the game on multiple plays WR's wide open way down the field and they don't seem to want to use that to open things up either and josh has one of if not the biggest arm in the NFL but it's all about the short game how about use=ing some of that speed you acquired if for nothing else to loosen it up for the running game .

 

If Josh was as you say is the elder statesman then he or Bosa, or Tre somebody get these guys fired up, most of the shots of Josh he was sitting on the bench just biding his time to get back in the game while Diggs as I said was all up & down the side line pumping these guys up that's what a leader does and especially in a game like that where you are down they need to pump up the volume to get the adrenaline flowing ...

 

For some reason after that first fumble (To Me) that set the entire tone for that game & the Bills weren't them selves after that it looked good up until that point ...

Edited 2 hours ago by T master

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

46 minutes ago, Urban Achievers said:

Just listened to McD Monday presser. Most weeks I swear I think it’s a replay of one from any previous year picked at random.  It’s like a politician's jargon that sounds good but is nothing of substance.  I tune back in to them always hoping for something that makes me do a double take and not this feeling of presser rerun. 

 

ps yes I know he’s a good guy and culture changer etc.  this is not a personal knock just my own take of his pressers. 
 

Go Bills!

Get 1% better every day. wtf did our defense start at? Negative 350%. How about just get good at coaching the 1 thing you are responsible for. You see how dominant, physical and tone setting our offense is? That’s what our DEFENSE is supposed to be doing. Stop getting on skates and hoping the other team gets bored and throws you a bad pass. Go get them. You set the tone. You make THEM back up. That’s the whole point 

[CincyBillsFan]

56 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

They need to invest in a DC. Just tell McDermott go be the head coach. You no longer control the defense or really even touch it. Just like Brady with the offense. Worry about getting guys ready and learning how a time out works 10 years later. Hire Wade Phillips to be DC and tell McDermott to stay tf out of the room

I agree and this may be the only practical solution to the McD dilemma.  We all know he's not getting fired and the reality is that firing McD MIGHT get the Bills over the hump or send them spiraling back down into the abyss.  The risk is to great IMO and as you point out there are solutions to be had that don't involve taking the very real risk of moving on from McD.

 

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[GoBills808]

define McDermott hater

[warrior9]

LOL OMG people voted for McCarthy? He had 1 SB win in 13 years with Rodgers... was / is (even with Cowboys) the WORST in game coach I've ever seen. He was good simply because of Rodgers. He is abysmal. He is literally the offensive version of McDermott

[GerstAusGosheim]

11 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree and this may be the only practical solution to the McD dilemma.  We all know he's not getting fired and the reality is that firing McD MIGHT get the Bills over the hump or send them spiraling back down into the abyss.  The risk is to great IMO and as you point out there are solutions to be had that don't involve taking the very real risk of moving on from McD.

 

 

Firing McDermott could send the Bills spiraling back down into the abyss? .... with the league's MVP at QB?

 

The drought really broke some of you.

 

There is ZERO chance Sean admits he's failed as the team's defensive mind and brings in someone new.

[Success]

I don't hate him, but I'm tired.

 

I'll go w/ "anyone available."  I think we're at that point in franchise's trajectory where we just need a change.  

 

He's a defensive coach, and our defense is our weak unit.

 

 

[Since1981]

Problem is. McD thinks he’s a D genius with an D that has let us down 5 yrs+ and he knows little about O where OC leaves fast.
 what’s that leave us with? It’s a horrible situation for getting any kind of meaningful change. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I voted for Brady because I think that’s the most reasonable. Trading for McVay or Shanahan just doesn’t seem possible. They’re obviously great.
 

I’d probably try to keep the offense together (with better receivers of course) and hope that he has a better idea for the defense. I’d try to hire Matt Patricia as the DC. He’s making $2.5M at OSU so maybe it’s not realistic but the Raiders hired Chip Kelly away for $6M a year. 

[Billever76]

9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

If Super Bowls are a team accolade, why is it that the best Quarterbacks win most of them?   Brady, Manning, Mahomes have won almost half of the Super Bowls over the last twenty years.  Belichick never one without Brady.    Can you even name the coach Manning won his second with?   Reid never won without Mahomes.    If you want to put Josh Allen in the same class as Tom Brady go ahead, but its absolutely inane.  

 

 

Name a top qb who wins superbowls with average hc? Or after 5 yrs with the same hc? Jalen hurts won a bowl,Trent dilfer,Flacco,Brad Johnson, all did also….allens playoff stats are top 5 in nfl playoffs history and better than MANY superbowl winning QBs lol tell me why that is? It’s not bc Allen hasn’t given his team leads with 13s left, not that Allen has completely outplayed his opponents yet still loses….we have a defensive hc scheme problem that has sunk Josh Allen period

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I voted for Brady because I think that’s the most reasonable. Trading for McVay or Shanahan just doesn’t seem possible. They’re obviously great.
 

I’d probably try to keep the offense together (with better receivers of course) and hope that he has a better idea for the defense. I’d try to hire Matt Patricia as the DC. He’s making $2.5M at OSU so maybe it’s not realistic but the Raiders hired Chip Kelly away for $6M a year. 

If Josh Allen isn’t enough to land one of the best HCs then stick a fork in this franchise…qb like Allen is every HC wet dream lol

1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree and this may be the only practical solution to the McD dilemma.  We all know he's not getting fired and the reality is that firing McD MIGHT get the Bills over the hump or send them spiraling back down into the abyss.  The risk is to great IMO and as you point out there are solutions to be had that don't involve taking the very real risk of moving on from McD.

 

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And run the risk of looking back after all of Allen’s career is squandered and wonder what could have been if we would have got him a top offensive minded or proven defensive guru HC 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

 

If Josh Allen isn’t enough to land one of the best HCs then stick a fork in this franchise…qb like Allen is every HC wet dream lol

 

I apologize for the confusion. My post might have been poorly worded. I suspect that the Bills can get any HC to want this job. I don’t think that the Rams or 49ers are trading McVay or Shanahan. Why would they? Why would we trade Josh? We wouldn’t. 
 

I have zero interest in those washed up olds. Gruden, McCarthy, and BB are all a hard no. If you aren’t “now” I have no interest. The game evolves too much to be looking for “years ago” to work. That’s an awful idea.
 

I was saying that Patricia may or may not be gettable as the DC. The Bills probably have to make him a $4M - $5M a year guy to do that. He will get a raise at OSU and is already highly compensated. 

Edited 39 minutes ago by Kirby Jackson

[Mikie2times]

The best move this franchise could make (if it won't part ways with McD and Beane or both, and it won't) give McD the Sirianni treatment. Make him a CEO. Get him away from scheme and talent identification. Get Beane off trying to fill defensive fits for his scheme. Get an unaffiliated DC with near total control. Let him rebuild this pig and yes, it's going to be ugly because the talent is just not good. Not even for this scheme, so god help us when you try switch the scheme out.

 

Stop resigning all this B talent, locking up B players for eternity. Leverage some of the early picks for proven talent.  Our early round impact player hit rate is just not great at high leverage positions like DB, DL, and WR. Use the damn picks for guys like Metcalf if you're that scared to invest post Diggs. 

 

I know this is a McD thread, but it's just as much on Beane. Outside Allen and our run game, this team is literally average or below across the board. Allen and the run game just running point on the whole damn thing. You build a defense worth a salt and it's game over. You build an offense with guys that can win one on one and it's game over. We haven't been close to doing either. In many instances not even attempting to do so. 

Edited 21 minutes ago by Mikie2times

[Success]

We're in a tough situation.  Josh Allen is so good that he'll probably always carry us to the divisional round at minimum - but the roster & coaching isn't enough to get us to a title without "more than the usual" kind of luck.

 

The division race is going to be tight this year.  If we don't win it - would they see that as a reason to make a change?  Or if we bow out in the divisional again?

 

Josh is going to be 30.  I feel unappreciative, because both Beane & McDermott are partly responsible for the change in our fortunes.  But if we can't capitalize on this year, when the AFC is weak - it's a real indicator.  And you can't wait until Josh is 32 or 33. Now is really the time.

 

[QCity]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

We're in a tough situation.  Josh Allen is so good that he'll probably always carry us to the divisional round at minimum - but the roster & coaching isn't enough to get us to a title without "more than the usual" kind of luck.

 

 

We're in coaching purgatory.

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Success said:

the roster & coaching isn't enough to get us to a title without "more than the usual" kind of luck.

even then it isn't tbh

 

last season exemplified 'more than the usual' kind of luck