Where’s the juice at the position of Wide Receiver?

[BillnutinHouston]

2 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

When has he been good? He’s not an actual WR that can run routes he’s a gimmick/gadget guy. Just look at the one route he broke off to try and get open for Josh he completely bift it. 

 

He had 77 receptions and 851 yards in 2020 with Carolina.  

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I really think guys are separating better this year tbh (Coleman especially) but those free yardage underneath throws keep everything on schedule and the run game a constant threat. Personnel wise we are very very tough to stop in the running game and if you’ve got a 95% chance to complete a 5 yard early down pass compared to a 50-60% chance of completing a deep ball it makes sense to take that 5 yards to me 

 

the biggest flaw in Josh’s game in the past was he would force the deep shot every time in that situation lol

 

really when drives have failed the last few games it seems like Brady/josh got bored and started throwing deep balls rather than sticking with what was working 😂

 

 

it definitely felt like Josh decided he was going to get his shots against N.O. Or maybe it was Brady deciding to get some on tape to get teams thinking.. that sure didn’t work either way.  The WRs didn’t get open, the line didn’t hold and Josh didn’t make time/pull off miracles at will.   Not a good day in that respect.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Steelers got Metcalf for a 2nd round pick.

 

Imagine what Allen could do with Metcalf. 

 

Imagine what Allen could do with Brian Thomas, Jr ... ... ... maybe not.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, DCofNC said:

it definitely felt like Josh decided he was going to get his shots against N.O. Or maybe it was Brady deciding to get some on tape to get teams thinking.. that sure didn’t work either way.  The WRs didn’t get open, the line didn’t hold and Josh didn’t make time/pull off miracles at will.   Not a good day in that respect.

 

Keon was open on the interception if the ball goes where its supposed to go

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

14 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

it definitely felt like Josh decided he was going to get his shots against N.O. Or maybe it was Brady deciding to get some on tape to get teams thinking.. that sure didn’t work either way.  The WRs didn’t get open, the line didn’t hold and Josh didn’t make time/pull off miracles at will.   Not a good day in that respect.

You mean on the specific plays he went deep? Yea I’d mostly agree with that.  I’m still planning to rewatch but it seemed like guys were getting ‘nfl open’ pretty often throughout a lot of that one but we opted for wide open underneath stuff. maybe my opinion will change on a rewatch haven’t gotten around to it yet 

 

Even the int Keon beat his man but the single high safety got a good jump on it.  Looked like we killed a few drives forcing it deep later on though where on those particular plays guys weren’t open 

Edited Thursday at 06:05 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

You mean on the specific plays he went deep? Yea I’d mostly agree with that.  I’m still planning to rewatch but it seemed like guys were getting ‘nfl open’ pretty often throughout a lot of that one but maybe my opinion will change on a rewatch 

 

Even the int Keon beat his man but the single high safety got a good jump on it.  Looked like we killed a few drives forcing it deep later on though where on those particular plays guys weren’t open 

 

Ball needs to be on the outside shoulder in that scenario.  Or you need to throw it earlier and harder as soon as he released.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

Only Shakir gives us something extra. That ability to get loose and breakaway and he’s done it on several occasions.  The rest of our passing game seems oriented towards the Tight Ends and running backs.

Maybe they should bring that little dude back, KJ Hamler.  He had some jets and ability to separate.  that appears to be lacking now. 

Part of the issue is that there is overlap with Shakir with our guys with the most "juice" in Samuel and Moore.  So getting them on the field without taking off the better WR in Shakir is where the challenge is given how they run the offense where the dirty work is also a big factor in their play design and offensive philosophy.  

 

 

 

 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, brianthomas said:

I would've rather paid DK that money than Greg Rousseau. Even tho i think we still need help on the Dline, Rousseau just doesnt make an impact to me. DK Metcalf definitely would

its a great 'what if' to think about

What impact exactly, allow our offense to score 34-40 points per game compared to the 33 we at now? No Rousseau on defense, how many points per game we given up then? Maybe more than now which means we likely don't comeback against the Ravens as we did. Our offense or offensive players are not an issue and improving them and taking up cap space to me a foolish thing when we have such an average defense. 

[DCofNC]

50 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Keon was open on the interception if the ball goes where its supposed to go

Agreed, it was late too, that was on JA

[DCofNC]

29 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

What impact exactly, allow our offense to score 34-40 points per game compared to the 33 we at now? No Rousseau on defense, how many points per game we given up then? Maybe more than now which means we likely don't comeback against the Ravens as we did. Our offense or offensive players are not an issue and improving them and taking up cap space to me a foolish thing when we have such an average defense. 

I agree to a point, but why continue to extend your own, when your own hasn’t gotten it done?  The only extensions that look justified are Cook, Brown, Shakir and Benford.  Look how many extensions have been handed out to the completely mediocre D and explain it to me.  Shakir might be overpaid a bit for his production, but 3/4 of the worthwhile extensions fall on O yet the D keeps getting resigned.. why?

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Keon was open on the interception if the ball goes where its supposed to go

Coleman roasted that CB right off the LoS.  CB got benched shortly after i believe.  

[EssexBill]

We could do with some of this juice

Edited Thursday at 07:14 PM by EssexBill

[dickleyjones]

you like-a tha juice, eh?

the juice is good, eh?

 

[HamptonBillsfan]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

Only Shakir gives us something extra. That ability to get loose and breakaway and he’s done it on several occasions.  The rest of our passing game seems oriented towards the Tight Ends and running backs.

Maybe they should bring that little dude back, KJ Hamler.  He had some jets and ability to separate.  that appears to be lacking now. 

Maybe you’re looking for something that is not on the roster by design. If you’ve been watching, Josh has nine options in the passing game. These receivers have been involved mostly underneath on possession throws. Shakir, Palmer, Coleman are getting some YAC but none of these receivers are vertical threats. Kincaid has been a guy, who can get behind LBs or safeties on mismatches. Beane’s vision for the offense is Cook being the focal point with explosive running and Josh being a distributor throwing to all these tough pass catchers, sprinkling in strategic QB runs when the field opens up. This is their formula for limiting TOs and scoring 30 or more points a game. So far Josh has 10 TD passes n 4 games. There’s different ways to get production.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

I agree to a point, but why continue to extend your own, when your own hasn’t gotten it done?  The only extensions that look justified are Cook, Brown, Shakir and Benford.  Look how many extensions have been handed out to the completely mediocre D and explain it to me.  Shakir might be overpaid a bit for his production, but 3/4 of the worthwhile extensions fall on O yet the D keeps getting resigned.. why?

Give me a guy that was available in free agency last year that got less money than Groot that is performing better. It's nice to think the grass always greener but sometimes it's browner.

[Max Fischer]

The Bills have scored 41, 30, 31 and 31 points.  Josh is having another MVP-caliber season. I think the passing game looks great. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

5 hours ago, Westside said:

Yeah, this organization is totally fine with signing mediocre back up players and expect them to break out here. Or they love signing injured players thinking they  will recover and be as good as new. 
Worked great so far! 

Well, maybe they got spoiled because it definitely worked with Beasley and to a lesser extent John Brown, but after that?  Pretty much crickets. 

4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

@AlCowlingsTaxiService Can you tell us where the juice is?

Holding up vendors at Satan’s memorabilia show perhaps? 

[Beck Water]

5 hours ago, zow2 said:

Only Shakir gives us something extra. That ability to get loose and breakaway and he’s done it on several occasions.  The rest of our passing game seems oriented towards the Tight Ends and running backs.

Maybe they should bring that little dude back, KJ Hamler.  He had some jets and ability to separate.  that appears to be lacking now. 

 

If KJ Hamler could separate against starting NFL defenses, he'd still be here.  He had 6 years with 3 teams to show what he could do.

 

 

[Lost]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

Steelers got Metcalf for a 2nd round pick.

 

Imagine what Allen could do with Metcalf. 

 

I woulda given up a third to bring Pickens here.   I don't care if he never bothers to block once in his career.   

[Chicken Boo]

5 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

When has he been good? He’s not an actual WR that can run routes he’s a gimmick/gadget guy. Just look at the one route he broke off to try and get open for Josh he completely bift it. 

 

He was more productive with both Carolina and Washington before coming here.  

 

Something just didn't click.  He isn't without talent.