Ravens vs Chiefs Game thread (the Bills lamp is lit)

[WideNine]

4 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

I'm not talking rushing game at all. Allen is the better QB. 

But Lamar the LAST COUPLE YEARS has been a better passer than Allen.

 

Everyone can be mad at me, but outside of Bills fans, Lamar is considered one of the best PASSERS in the league. Not talking "best QBs," just PASSERS. 

 

He's more efficient, more accurate, throws almost no INTs, has thrown significantly more TD passes & has a much better passer rating for a reason. And I hate how much emphasis people put on passer rating, but Lamar has the best passer rating IN HISTORY for a reason. He didn't just luck into that.

 

Why are people making me defend Lamar's passing? It's not 2022 anymore. Are Bills fans still so behind that they think Lamar is a "running QB" that just happens to pass sometimes? That's moronic. 

 

Comparing him to Russell Wilson is even dumber. Russ throws a nice LOOKING deep ball, while Lamar throws an ACCURATE deep ball & does so consistently. 

 

And let's not act like he's all checkdowns aside from the occasional deep ball (like Russ). Lamar LEAD THE LEAGUE in average air yard per attempt with 8.8 ypa in 2024!

 

Josh Allen was 9th. 

 

Want to talk about most passes behind the LoS? Josh Allen is 12th most in the league, Lamar is so far down the list it doesn't show up without paying to unlock more data (but lower than 25th). 

 

This season, Lamar averages 6.3 air yards per pass (most in the league), Allen averages only 4.2. 

 

But sure, let's keep pretending every possible passing stat doesn't matter, just because Lamar has gotten good at it.

 

Not sure why anyone would be mad at you as you are entitled to your interpretation of the stats.

I think their usual read option game with Henry back there creates a lot of favorable downfield passing options for Lamar, but he has to be able to take advantage of those and he has. I have certainly seen a lot of growth in his game as a passer and when on his game he throws a very catchable ball.

Today is not a good game for him with poor decisions and taking care of the football, and that is where I see Allen truely pulling ahead. Just being smart with the ball and even if the team is not playing their best, don't do things to make it worse.

There is a lot of nuance to how I look at pure passers. I think Burrow is one of the best I have seen with ball placement and trigger, but he cannot stay healthy and is a meh scrambler. I don't know what to think about Herbert, the talent is certainly there but so is some inconsistency but that could be coaching and play calling too. He is certainly having more success this year with coaching that allows him to use his wheels a bit more.  Mahomes passing and accuracy has dropped a bit.

Lamar is right up there in my mind, but still prone to some reckless play when the game script starts to get away from the Ravens.


 

[Jalan81]

Just now, bigfootindy said:

Nice push off, Worthy

How’s that not called?

[Process]

Who the hell is this Thornton? Every time I watch the chiefs he's making plays 

[Brand J]

6 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

Love it - HoF QB/2x MVP and Romo is saying - “put it in Henry’s hands”.

 

Lamar is a phenomenal QB, but he ain’t Allen. 

I mean, we beg to put it in Cook’s hands too 😅

[HappyDays]

I understand Baltimore's pass rush being weak with the injuries they have, but the 2nd and 3rd levels are too talented to have so many breakdowns in coverage. This is turning into an embarrassing loss and it makes you wonder if their season will go completely off the rails.

[Governor]

Just now, Process said:

Who the hell is this Thornton? Every time I watch the chiefs he's making plays 

Started getting looks 3 weeks ago.

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

I'm not talking rushing game at all. Allen is the better QB. 

But Lamar the LAST COUPLE YEARS has been a better passer than Allen.

 

Everyone can be mad at me, but outside of Bills fans, Lamar is considered one of the best PASSERS in the league. Not talking "best QBs," just PASSERS. 

 

He's more efficient, more accurate, throws almost no INTs, has thrown significantly more TD passes & has a much better passer rating for a reason. And I hate how much emphasis people put on passer rating, but Lamar has the best passer rating IN HISTORY for a reason. He didn't just luck into that.

 

Why are people making me defend Lamar's passing? It's not 2022 anymore. Are Bills fans still so behind that they think Lamar is a "running QB" that just happens to pass sometimes? That's moronic. 

 

Comparing him to Russell Wilson is even dumber. Russ throws a nice LOOKING deep ball, while Lamar throws an ACCURATE deep ball & does so consistently. 

 

And let's not act like he's all checkdowns aside from the occasional deep ball (like Russ). Lamar LEAD THE LEAGUE in average air yard per attempt with 8.8 ypa in 2024!

 

Josh Allen was 9th. 

 

Want to talk about most passes behind the LoS? Josh Allen is 12th most in the league, Lamar is so far down the list it doesn't show up without paying to unlock more data (but lower than 25th). 

 

This season, Lamar averages 6.3 air yards per pass (most in the league), Allen averages only 4.2. 

 

But sure, let's keep pretending every possible passing stat doesn't matter, just because Lamar has gotten good at it.

 

Passing stats below are from 2023 to 2025... But if you want to ignore Allen's INTs & remove the 2023 season (just to discredit Lamar further), go ahead. Comparing 2024 PASSING stats only helps my argument even more.

 

 

Well Lamar better start acting like your "stats" or he is going 1-3 with his team.

[justjoshingaround]

5 minutes ago, T.E. said:

At one point late in the season last year, there was an analytics chart going around that showed that Allen's receiving targets got the least separation in football. Wanna take a guess which QB was throwing to the receivers who were most open?

I remember seeing this as well.. it wasn't even close.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

I'm still going with my theory that his weird body has begun starting to fail him the last year and change.

Mahomes is certainly smaller than guys like Brady, Manning, Flacco and Stafford, who continued to play well into their late 30s and 40s…Brees I guess would be an exception but he was never known for having a powerful arm…

[Jalan81]

Just now, WideNine said:

Not sure why anyone would be mad at you as you are entitled to your interpretation of the stats.

I think their usual read option game with Henry back there creates a lot of favorable downfield passing options for Lamar, but he has to be able to take advantage of those and he has. I have certainly seen a lot of growth in his game as a passer and when on his game he throws a very catchable ball.

Today is not a good game for him with poor decisions and taking care of the football, and that is where I see Allen truely pulling ahead. Just being smart with the ball and even if the team is not playing their best, don't do things to make it worse.

There is a lot of nuance to how I look at pure passers. I think Burrow is one of the best I have seen with ball placement and trigger, but he cannot stay healthy and is a meh scrambler. I don't know what to think about Herbert, the talent is certainly there but so is some inconsistency but that could be coaching and play calling too. He is certainly having more success this year with coaching that allows him to use his wheels a bit more.  Mahomes passing and accuracy has dropped a bit.

Lamar is right up there in my mind, but still prone to some reckless play when the game script starts to get away from the Ravens.


 

Why don’t you tell us what the average separation is and time to throw is?

[buffblue]

Just now, Process said:

Who the hell is this Thornton? Every time I watch the chiefs he's making plays 

The crap 4th round receiver drafted by the Patriots who everyone in Boston thought was the second coming of Irving Fryar

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

colts rams game is better.  Really hoping the rams can hold on today.

 

Would be absolutely hilarious if at the end of the season the #1 seed comes down to Adonai Mitchell letting go of the ball 1 yard too early.

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

I disagree. It usually takes a fair bit of luck to win the SB. While only a few teams really have a chance to win it in any given season, they certainly don’t all beat 3 great teams en route to hoisting the Lombardi. . Things often fall into place favorably for many of those SB winners. 

Injuries and matchups do matter. I agree.

 

But...the Chiefs beat the Bills and the Ravens on the road in 2023. 

 

The Bucs beat the Saints and Packers on the road in 2020. 

 

SB teams have gone through some very great teams to win.

[SirAndrew]

4 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Stats don’t really tell the whole story IMO. Lamar will do almost anything to avoid taking a risk with the ball or throw an incomplete pass, often to his team’s detriment. It is part of his hyperefficient stats.

 

He also uses his escapability to buy time, which makes a lot more of his throws to open receivers. Allen does the same thing, but he isn’t quite on that level of mobility, so he needs to do more pocket passing and throws into tighter windows.

Yeah, there’s definitely a level of difficulty involved. I can find incredible highlights of Jackson’s deep passes, but why do we never see them in the playoffs? It’s because teams scheme better to prevent this in big moments. I was a huge advocate for Jackson on this site against his many detractors, but years of awful playoff performances made me change my tone. He needs the right conditions to succeed. There’s college QB’s in the proper scheme who throw better deep balls than Allen. This is a result of the situation, and open receivers. 

[Aussie Joe]

19 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

At some point, if this is a true SB contender, we shouldn't care who wins the AFC west/North divisions. This team will need to win a SB by beating three great teams at minimum. If they can't do it, they were never deserving. 

the biggest advantage is to have the no 1 seed … having that week off and healing up at the end of a tough year whilst all your competitors are risking further injuries playing must win games against top teams 

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Not sure the fascination with Harbaugh, talented teams come up short.

[Big Blitz]

This Chiefs defense man.  

[PayDaBill$]

As far as who’s the better qb argument Idk who would you rather have on the Bills roster Lamar or Josh?

 

I’ll wait.

 

Enough said!

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 10:25 PM by PayDaBill$

[90sBills]

2 minutes ago, buffblue said:

The crap 4th round receiver drafted by the Patriots who everyone in Boston thought was the second coming of Irving Fryar

I think he was drafted in the 2nd round. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

the biggest advantage is to have the no 1 seed … having that week off and healing up at the end of a tough year whilst all your competitors are risking further injuries playing must win games against top teams 

That's huge for the Bills especially. I like our chances vs KC/Baltimore much more at home vs the road.