Game week thread - Saints at Bills

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 hours ago, Draconator said:

Which is exactly the reason why I don't want McDaniel anywhere near One Bills Drive. He lacks the ability to adjust to what the Defense is showing him. 

I think some of that could be tua limitations though it’s really tough to say  

Edited Tuesday at 04:37 AM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Sierra Foothills]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I honesty think we could run our preseason offense and defense and come away with a win in this one. I'd rest anyone who is even a little bit banged up and get some reps in for Landon Jackson and Jordan Hancock.

 

Hopefully in this next stretch before the KC game, there'll be enough blowouts whereby the cubs can get lots of garbage time reps.

 

7 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I am not a Diggs fan, but they are using him weirdly. 

 

7 hours ago, Low Positive said:

He can't be happy. If they keep losing, it could be a problem. Or, he might be distracted by all the events in his personal life.

 

Diggs has reached a point in his career where if he's unhappy, he'll keep it to himself. just as Tyreek Hill struggles to control himself so as not to commit career suicide, so too will Diggs.

 

5 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

This is the kind of game and build up that the saints take the opening kick off, drive the field and go up 7-0. Bills Mafia panics and everyone calls for heads to roll. 
 

They then go on to lose 34-7. 

 

Like you say, the Saints will be up 7-0 on their first possession and there'll be 49 pages in the live game thread before the Bills proceed to dismantle them.

 

[CSBill]

17 hours ago, Mat68 said:

This game is on Allen, Mcdermott and the coaches.

 

Aren't they all? 

[WNYFAN1]

So through four weeks the Bills opponents are 1-11. Crazy. Softest four game start in history, at least by the records?

[TFBillsfan]

6 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

So through four weeks the Bills opponents are 1-11. Crazy. Softest four game start in history, at least by the records?

Bizarre stat indeed! However, we all know it’s a long season and it will balance itself out. I fully expect until proven otherwise that KC and Baltimore will be right in the thick of it. That’s why it’s so important for the Bills to keep stacking wins. 
 

Games against ATL, KC, Tampa , Pitt and Philly won’t be easy, so they need to feast on everyone else starting with the Saints!

[Gregg]

13 minutes ago, WNYFAN1 said:

So through four weeks the Bills opponents are 1-11. Crazy. Softest four game start in history, at least by the records?

 

When you factor in the AFCE is the Bills, Moe, Larry, and Curly then it's no surprise the Bills don't have that tough of a schedule. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

15.5 points is crazy for an NFL game.  It makes me happy and nervous

[PaattMaann]

9 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

Ray and Gore rotating from the mid third on sounds like a perfect day to me

 

Gore will not be active unless theres a RB issue. Thats not how the roster construction/numbers work. 

 

I fully expect over 10 touches for Davis, even if the game is "close". Ty Johnson will also see an uptick in carries. I would bet heavily the plan is for Cook to get his carries in the first half as usual, except more davis and johnson sprinkled in, and then when the game gets secure it will be the Ray Davis show. Either way, this should be a good week to reduce Cook's load.

 

But there is not a chance we have 4 RBs (5 with gilliam) active on game day. 

5 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Hopefully in this next stretch before the KC game, there'll be enough blowouts whereby the cubs can get lots of garbage time reps.

 

 

 

They already are getting REAL TIME reps...which is a great thing.

 

Hairston will be interesting. I would imagine they slowly insert him into games to get him up to game speed. 

[Sierra Foothills]

6 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

They already are getting REAL TIME reps...which is a great thing.

 

Hairston will be interesting. I would imagine they slowly insert him into games to get him up to game speed. 

 

Agreed.

 

Of the 6 member rookie class, TJ and Dorian already have over 70 snaps and Deone has 54 snaps.

 

Of the virtual rookies, Logue has 41 snaps and Cole Bishop has played 26% of his career NFL snaps this year.

 

[balln]

16 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Hairston will be interesting. I would imagine they slowly insert him into games to get him up to game speed. 

I’m hoping they have him in on man to man speed wr for matchup purposes / spot duty initially. Sink or swim. 
 

then he can go play zone on the boundary and eventually replace Tre 

 

although. Not gonna lie. Tre is playing well with physicality. He’s making tackles and hits 

Edited Tuesday at 12:22 PM by balln

[Mat68]

3 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

Aren't they all? 

Yes.  I mean in an emotional and leadership sense not Allen making plays and coaches scheming things up.  I guess the better way to word it would be this game is on the leadership of team.  Off day for the team, flip on the Saints and by half time they all think it's going to be easy.  Keeping the eyes on the prize and dismantling the Saints will either be a hard thing they make look easy or an easy thing they make look hard.  

[Rockinon]

I think a lot of fans want to see the passing game improve and I think it will. Perhaps this weekend we see a game plan that gets the receivers more involved. It does blow my mind that for the 1st time in Josh's career, he never pushed the ball over 10yds downfield on Thursday. That isn't by mistake. It was clearly part of the game plan. They really want one of those safeties to creep closer.

 

It's been a pleasant surprise to see these quick timing passes succeed, because Josh was terrible at them early in his career. I don't think the big chunk plays are gone, I just think they are taking what the defense is giving them. There will be a time when the pass game opens up, but with Cook running so well there just hasn't been a good reason to push the ball down field. The drives are time consuming and the opposing team's defense is on the field longer. This is a winning brand of football, if you can do it. And right now the Bills are doing it.

 

Eventually, a team is going to commit to stopping the run. When that happens, we'll see the passing game open up. It's just a matter of time. 

[Goin Breakdown]

10 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

I guess I don’t call nfl players scrubs is where we differ. They had a couple three and outs. Sometimes JB is sooo run committed that he gets a bit conservative. But that balance keeps the Bills opponents with multiple challenges.Phins were desperate and generally 0-2 teams are very fired up. Josh is doing what he’s capable of by being smart. But all good my friend we can agree to disagree 👍

I would argue that is Ray Davis since he’s the better player. But I get your point. We don’t need Cook or Josh on the field in those situations.

No disrespect to them. They have more talent in their pinky finger than I'll ever have in my whole life. However they are not starters for Miami who is very thin and weak at DBs. I totally get where you're at though. My head agrees 100% but my emotions and heart just knows there is more. Maybe they can just tap into it if they need to

[Billsfanatic8989]

Get up big early. Sit starters. Get ready for New England as that will probably be more of a fight. 

Edited Tuesday at 01:42 PM by Billsfanatic8989

[iccrewman112]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

When you factor in the AFCE is the Bills, Moe, Larry, and Curly then it's no surprise the Bills don't have that tough of a schedule. 

this is how the patriots got a bye in the playoffs for 15 years!

[uninja]

1 hour ago, balln said:

I’m hoping they have him in on man to man speed wr for matchup purposes / spot duty initially. Sink or swim. 
 

then he can go play zone on the boundary and eventually replace Tre 

 

although. Not gonna lie. Tre is playing well with physicality. He’s making tackles and hits 

 

Yeah I know people like to crap on Tre because he gets burned at times and commits some mental errors because he knows he can't match a WR's speed a lot of the time (the goal line TD to Waddle was dumb, giving that much cushion was a guaranteed TD whereas if he played press man at least he had a shot to disrupt the timing or defend the pass, but I digress) but he understands his assignment well and plays well within the scheme. He's just not a burner and never has been, fast WRs were always his kryptonite.

[balln]

10 minutes ago, uninja said:

 

Yeah I know people like to crap on Tre because he gets burned at times and commits some mental errors because he knows he can't match a WR's speed a lot of the time (the goal line TD to Waddle was dumb, giving that much cushion was a guaranteed TD whereas if he played press man at least he had a shot to disrupt the timing or defend the pass, but I digress) but he understands his assignment well and plays well within the scheme. He's just not a burner and never has been, fast WRs were always his kryptonite.

To that end. His pff grade is almost 70! While Benford is 58. Tre is balling out IMO (relative to the last two years expectations of an injured washed cast away journeyman veteran). If we can squeeze out this play for a whole season before upgrading next year that would be great 

Edited Tuesday at 01:57 PM by balln

[fergie's ire]

37 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

I think a lot of fans want to see the passing game improve and I think it will. Perhaps this weekend we see a game plan that gets the receivers more involved. It does blow my mind that for the 1st time in Josh's career, he never pushed the ball over 10yds downfield on Thursday. That isn't by mistake. It was clearly part of the game plan. They really want one of those safeties to creep closer.

 

It's been a pleasant surprise to see these quick timing passes succeed, because Josh was terrible at them early in his career. I don't think the big chunk plays are gone, I just think they are taking what the defense is giving them. There will be a time when the pass game opens up, but with Cook running so well there just hasn't been a good reason to push the ball down field. The drives are time consuming and the opposing team's defense is on the field longer. This is a winning brand of football, if you can do it. And right now the Bills are doing it.

 

Eventually, a team is going to commit to stopping the run. When that happens, we'll see the passing game open up. It's just a matter of time. 

Agreed.  He is better at looking for them.  He reads coverage better and looks to hit the short pass with easy yardage early in his progression.  Phase one Josh would hold on to the ball forever looking for the deep shot.  Phase two Josh would look for the deep pass but if it wasn't there would reluctantly take the checkdown.  Now, in phase 3, if the defenses warrants it, he will look for the sure 5 to 7 yard gain first.  I saw some All 22 analysis that showed that in the Dolphins game there were some receivers open deep but Josh never made it that far in his progression because he'd already seen he had the short pass.  Now, if the defense takes away the short, I hope Josh will read it and go deep, and though it hasn't happened a lot, it has happened enough that it suggests he will.  For example, there was the shot to Coleman (I think against Jets) down the sideline where Coleman had beaten his man deep, and would have been a deep pass but the defender grabbed him for DPI.

[TFBillsfan]

17 minutes ago, uninja said:

 

Yeah I know people like to crap on Tre because he gets burned at times and commits some mental errors because he knows he can't match a WR's speed a lot of the time (the goal line TD to Waddle was dumb, giving that much cushion was a guaranteed TD whereas if he played press man at least he had a shot to disrupt the timing or defend the pass, but I digress) but he understands his assignment well and plays well within the scheme. He's just not a burner and never has been, fast WRs were always his kryptonite.

Was the goal line coverage designed scheme or Tre giving cushion?  I tend to lean more scheme as we’ve seen that far too often under McDermott. 

[Gregg]

49 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

I think a lot of fans want to see the passing game improve and I think it will. Perhaps this weekend we see a game plan that gets the receivers more involved. It does blow my mind that for the 1st time in Josh's career, he never pushed the ball over 10yds downfield on Thursday. That isn't by mistake. It was clearly part of the game plan. They really want one of those safeties to creep closer.

 

It's been a pleasant surprise to see these quick timing passes succeed, because Josh was terrible at them early in his career. I don't think the big chunk plays are gone, I just think they are taking what the defense is giving them. There will be a time when the pass game opens up, but with Cook running so well there just hasn't been a good reason to push the ball down field. The drives are time consuming and the opposing team's defense is on the field longer. This is a winning brand of football, if you can do it. And right now the Bills are doing it.

 

Eventually, a team is going to commit to stopping the run. When that happens, we'll see the passing game open up. It's just a matter of time. 

 

The last two weeks they have been running the ball really well. Cook with B2B 100-yard games. When the Bills offense is this balanced it really is better this way then Allen having to play Superman to get the team a win. Even though he threw for just over 200 yards he still had 3 TDs with 0 INTs. I am not worried about the passing game at all.