Burrow's Turf Toe and torn ligaments; now being reported out three MONTHS

[JP51]

Sucks for this kid, i am beginning to fear this is a trend for him. 

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1 hour ago, Tulsabillsfanz said:

It really is a tough break for Burrow and the Bengals. It could happen with good or bad protection.  For whatever reason, Burrow has just been an injury prone player. 

The reason is he averages 3 sack per game throughout his career, and it's not because he doesn't know how to read a defense or work a pocket. If I was Burrow or his agent, I'd be looking for a way out of Cincy before he gets a career ending injury in his prime.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

There is a reason Carson Palmer said they would ruin him. Their inability to protect him will end his career far faster then it should which is unfortunate for the game.

 

On one hand I understand this take. No question they have not done a good job of finding OL talent.

 

But also this is the NFL... QBs are going to take hits. Allen and Mahomes have had their share of poor OL play over the years and they haven't missed chunks of their career. The tackle that he got hurt on yesterday was as routine as it gets, he was trying to step up in the pocket and got tackled by his ankles. Watching it back you wouldn't think that will end up a 3+ month injury.

 

Burrow unfortunately is just injury prone and short of building the greatest OL of all time it feels inevitable that any random hit he takes over the course of a game will knock him out for a while. This will be the 3rd season out of 6 that he hasn't been able to finish. Half of his career...

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

On one hand I understand this take. No question they have not done a good job of finding OL talent.

 

But also this is the NFL... QBs are going to take hits. Allen and Mahomes have had their share of poor OL play over the years and they haven't missed chunks of their career. The tackle that he got hurt on yesterday was as routine as it gets, he was trying to step up in the pocket and got tackled by his ankles. Watching it back you wouldn't think that will end up a 3+ month injury.

 

Burrow unfortunately is just injury prone and short of building the greatest OL of all time it feels inevitable that any random hit he takes over the course of a game will knock him out for a while. This will be the 3rd season out of 6 that he hasn't been able to finish. Half of his career...

 

Agreed. He has quickly become Mr. Glass.

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10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

On one hand I understand this take. No question they have not done a good job of finding OL talent.

 

But also this is the NFL... QBs are going to take hits. Allen and Mahomes have had their share of poor OL play over the years and they haven't missed chunks of their career. The tackle that he got hurt on yesterday was as routine as it gets, he was trying to step up in the pocket and got tackled by his ankles. Watching it back you wouldn't think that will end up a 3+ month injury.

 

Burrow unfortunately is just injury prone and short of building the greatest OL of all time it feels inevitable that any random hit he takes over the course of a game will knock him out for a while. This will be the 3rd season out of 6 that he hasn't been able to finish. Half of his career...

I think you could make a compelling argument that the cumulative pounding that Burrow has taken thus far in his career exceeds what Allen has taken, despite Allen playing a much more physical style. Burrow hangs in to the last second and gets blasted a lot, and he has to because of his line play. Yesterday may have been a routine tackle, but at 28 years old, he's probably absorbed the abuse that someone in their mid 30s at the position would have taken, so he's probably more likely to get injured as a result at this point.

[skibum]

The Schadenfreude is hard to avoide.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, transient said:

Yesterday may have been a routine tackle, but at 28 years old, he's probably absorbed the abuse that someone in their mid 30s at the position would have taken, so he's probably more likely to get injured as a result at this point.

 

He's only played in 78 games. Allen by comparison had played in 126. Burrow tore his ACL in his rookie season. I think we can just say that he's injury prone and there's nothing more to it. Of course Cincy should be aware of that and build the team accordingly moving forward from here. Burrow needs elite pass protection and a scheme that gets the ball out of his hands fast.

[Wolfgang]

 

[corta765]

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

On one hand I understand this take. No question they have not done a good job of finding OL talent.

 

But also this is the NFL... QBs are going to take hits. Allen and Mahomes have had their share of poor OL play over the years and they haven't missed chunks of their career. The tackle that he got hurt on yesterday was as routine as it gets, he was trying to step up in the pocket and got tackled by his ankles. Watching it back you wouldn't think that will end up a 3+ month injury.

 

Burrow unfortunately is just injury prone and short of building the greatest OL of all time it feels inevitable that any random hit he takes over the course of a game will knock him out for a while. This will be the 3rd season out of 6 that he hasn't been able to finish. Half of his career...

 

Oh he unfortunately is injury prone, no escaping it at this point. But QBs careers shorten when this is the abuse you take, Luck is a prime example of an elite talent being destroyed to the point he retired because of it. I give Beane a lot of credit for building a solid o line for nearly all of Josh's career and then the same has been there for Mahomes & Lamar too. 

 

I think this injury will permanently put Burrow beneath Allen/Mahomes/Lamar as a guy who when healthy is an alpha but that is an issue in itself. 

[May Day 10]

What makes someone "injury prone"?.  I could see if they have a chronic knee issue or they are victim of recurring concussions.  Burrow's injuries are unrelated for the most part other than many seem to be lower extremities.

 

Does he need to go over the top with yoga/pilates?  Less strength training?  Need more flexibility?  Him/the Bengals should pay top dollar for a personal fitness trainer at this point.

[BigDingus]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

Late December.  The Bengals are toast.  Their defense isn’t the sort that can carry them, and as nice of a backup as Browning is he’s not going to put a team on his shoulders.  I can see Cinci losing a bunch of 31-24ish games.

 

 

But unlike years prior, they started off 2-0, so they have a tiny cushion. 

 

I do mostly agree though, Browning isn't going to put the team on his shoulders. I also see them losing a lot of 1 score games.

 

Burrow could come back with 3 games left on the schedule. If they go .500 in the meantime, they could be 8-6, with 11 wins getting them into the playoffs (they would've made it with 10 wins last year had the Chiefs played their starters week 18).

 

It's a tough schedule, but they've got some winnable games prior to week 16 (presumably when Burrow could return):

 

Vikings

Broncos

Steelers x2

Jets

Bears

Patriots

 

They will likely lose against the Bills, Ravens (x2), Lions & Packers, then Burrow can return to close out the season against the Dolphins, Cardinals  & Browns.

[DrDawkinstein]

LOTS of Andrew Luck comparisons being thrown around on various platforms today.

 

The problem for Joe is, he's only in year 1 of that new, big money contract. So he cant walk away anytime soon without having to give back some signing bonus/guaranteed money. And you KNOW Mike Brown is coming after every penny he can get back.

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24 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He's only played in 78 games. Allen by comparison had played in 126. Burrow tore his ACL in his rookie season. I think we can just say that he's injury prone and there's nothing more to it. Of course Cincy should be aware of that and build the team accordingly moving forward from here. Burrow needs elite pass protection and a scheme that gets the ball out of his hands fast.

In those 78 games Burrow has been sacked 201 times, whereas Allen has been sacked 191 times in 126 games. He may be injury prone, but playing in Cincy isn't helping. Burrow is basically David Carr with more talent and more talent around him... although David Carr held up to the punishment better.

[HappyDays]

6 minutes ago, transient said:

In those 78 games Burrow has been sacked 201 times, whereas Allen has been sacked 191 times in 126 games.

 

You're drawing the wrong conclusion from that comparison IMO.

[Mat68]

Hold on.  Burrow used all his power to get Chase on the team and for them to pay Higgins and Chase top of market.  Imo they should have drafted Sewell over Chase.  Chase is a great player and I understand why they drafted and extended him.  Paying Higgins was the mistake.   Put that money into the Oline.  Burrow is a pocket passer got to protect him.  Not for nothing too Allen has sprained his ankle, tore the ligament in his throwing elbow, broke his hand and now broke his nose.  Has not missed 1 game.  Post game CBS asked him about his nose and xray.  He said no he declines them “them” being xrays.  Allen has had many things most dont play with.   

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

For the record, I watched the end of the Bengals-Jags game (I didn't see Tyrod's garbage time TD) and the biggest plays in that comeback were:

1. BTJ dropped a short pass in his chest at the goal line, giving the Bengals the ball back
2. A VERY soft DPI call on Travis Hunter that felt like a "welcome to the NFL" message from the refs

Also, Browning threw 3 INTs.

 

People keep quoting Browning's 4-3 record in 2023. Lets break that down. Those wins were against:

• The Jags in a game where they lost Lawrance on the first drive
• The Gardner Minshew-led Colts
• The Nick Mullens-led Vikings in OT
• The Browns in a meaningless week 18 game. 

It just became a story because the first three wins came in a row. The losses were two against the Steelers and one against the Chiefs. BTW, every Bengals fan I know was pissed about those wins. They knew they were just losing draft slots. 

 

 

Thanks for putting Browning's wins into perspective.  I noticed that too but was too lazy to write it all out.

Another example of looking at stats and not seeing the details that cause them.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

On one hand I understand this take. No question they have not done a good job of finding OL talent.

 

But also this is the NFL... QBs are going to take hits. Allen and Mahomes have had their share of poor OL play over the years and they haven't missed chunks of their career. The tackle that he got hurt on yesterday was as routine as it gets, he was trying to step up in the pocket and got tackled by his ankles. Watching it back you wouldn't think that will end up a 3+ month injury.

 

Burrow unfortunately is just injury prone and short of building the greatest OL of all time it feels inevitable that any random hit he takes over the course of a game will knock him out for a while. This will be the 3rd season out of 6 that he hasn't been able to finish. Half of his career...

I don't know if yesterday's specific injury proves he's injury prone but I think Burrow's injuries in the past has a lot to do with him holding the ball too long.  He even said on 3rd downs he's willing to take the sack if it gives him a second more to see if someone can break open because they're going to punt either way.  Sound reasoning but you're going to take more hits.

[transplantbillsfan]

Out 3 months.

 

Time to stop talking about Burrow as one of the Elite of Elites. He doesn't belong in the same conversation as Allen, Mahomes and Lamar.

 

The best ability is availability and Burrow has zero ability there.

[Big Turk]

I mean, I just wonder if Allen had this happen, how many games would he miss?  I would bet the under.

[dave mcbride]

22 minutes ago, transient said:

In those 78 games Burrow has been sacked 201 times, whereas Allen has been sacked 191 times in 126 games. He may be injury prone, but playing in Cincy isn't helping. Burrow is basically David Carr with more talent and more talent around him... although David Carr held up to the punishment better.

Huh? David Carr wasn't good. Burrow is elite.