How much better is the Ravens team on paper than the Bills?

[Lost]

The Bills are now a team like the Chiefs that have that Championship mentality and can just will themselves to victory in games that sometimes they should have no business winning.   Someone had an interesting comment in the gameday thread that I think would be interesting to dive into a little further.  

 

The comment was that if the Ravens and Bills combined rosters, there would only be like 2 or 3 Bills starters.

 

Hell, some people would make the case that even Allen wouldn't start over Lamar.   

 

 

So who do you think on the Bills roster would get a spot over their Raven's counterpart on the depth chart?

 

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

[ClemsonBills]

Ed and Benford are probably it on defense. But I can see a few of our Oline guys starting over there. 

[sven233]

Allen, Benford, Brown, Oliver, and maybe Bosa eventually.  But it is really a short list.  The Ravens really have no weaknesses in terms of their roster.  Quite honestly, I have no idea how Allen did what he did to that defense last night.  We won't see a better group until we run into this team in the Playoffs.  They are a crazy talented team that is only going to get better throughout the year the more they play together.

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Lost said:

The Bills are now a team like the Chiefs that have that Championship mentality and can just will themselves to victory in games that sometimes they should have no business winning.   Someone had an interesting comment in the gameday thread that I think would be interesting to dive into a little further.  

 

The comment was that if the Ravens and Bills combined rosters, there would only be like 2 or 3 Bills starters.

 

Hell, some people would make the case that even Allen wouldn't start over Lamar.   

 

 

So who do you think on the Bills roster would get a spot over their Raven's counterpart on the depth chart?

 

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

Hard to disagree with your list.

 

The Ravens aren’t dissimilar to the Bills despite being “better.”

 

They have no game changing pass rusher and no game changing receiving threat.

 

So despite having mild to moderate improvements basically everywhere else, and a mild at best difference in QB (Lamar and Josh are both amazing but I think Josh takes the edge), it doesn’t really matter.

 

The important positions remain important for a reason.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

OL Dawkins, Edwards, Torrence and Brown are better than Stanely, Voorhees, Faale and Rosengarten

 

Skill  Coleman over Bateman

 

QB Allen

 

DL Oliver

 

LB Milano

 

DB Benford

 

I get arguably 9 of 22.

[RyanC883]

yeah, their roster is STOCKED.  That team still scares me, and I think the Bills know the Ravens are the real deal, so I don't sence any cockyness from our group.  

 

Interestingly, while Mark Andrews blocked well, he was absent in the passing game.  

 

To answer the question, I'd take: Allen, Brown, Benford, and Shakir/Coleman/Palmar over Bateman.   

[ganesh]

8 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Allen, Benford, Brown, Oliver, and maybe Bosa eventually.  But it is really a short list.  The Ravens really have no weaknesses in terms of their roster.  Quite honestly, I have no idea how Allen did what he did to that defense last night.  We won't see a better group until we run into this team in the Playoffs.  They are a crazy talented team that is only going to get better throughout the year the more they play together.

The OL gave the protection for Allen to either step in to the pocket and move around

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

25 minutes ago, Lost said:

The Bills are now a team like the Chiefs that have that Championship mentality and can just will themselves to victory in games that sometimes they should have no business winning.   Someone had an interesting comment in the gameday thread that I think would be interesting to dive into a little further.  

 

The comment was that if the Ravens and Bills combined rosters, there would only be like 2 or 3 Bills starters.

 

Hell, some people would make the case that even Allen wouldn't start over Lamar.   

 

 

So who do you think on the Bills roster would get a spot over their Raven's counterpart on the depth chart?

 

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

Are we talkin the bills at full strength or what we saw last night?  Jaire Alexander is a big name but was absolutely miserable and looks washed…I’d probably take all corner spots(taron being the third) from the bills if we’re going just roster to roster tbh 

 

strong outplayed Alexander last night even and idk if strong is even second string when Tre/hairston are back

 

some of it gets pretty murky based on matchups and it is why the ravens have struggled against the chiefs every time out imo. Someone like Henry against a team that can’t hem him in before he gets going is much more valuable than cook but if you’re playing someone like the chiefs I’d honestly take cook I think..  even in the game last night where our run defense was terrible there were quite a few run stuffs putting them in an early down hole and he doesn’t bring you much of anything in the passing game 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Bruffalo]

If you drop playoff Josh Allen on to the playoff Ravens team they would have multiple titles.

 

They are stupidly talented, but it sure feels like they lack the team cohesion that the Bills have.

[BullBuchanan]

The only better roster than the Ravens is the Eagles. I wouldn't say we're stronger than them at any position grouping, and we only push with them at a handful.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The only better roster than the Ravens is the Eagles. I wouldn't say we're stronger than them at any position grouping, and we only push with them at a handful.

I really think cbs we are and that showed up pretty big last night if not making all the difference…Alexander got absolutely bullied down the stretch it was embarrassing.  Our third string cb2 in his first nfl start significantly outplayed him 

 

qb I’m going josh too 

Edited 4 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Doc Brown]

I think the Eagles, Packers, and Ravens make up the Tier 1 of NFL teams right now.  Barely any weaknesses anywhere.  You can still beat those teams with an elite QB and some key plays at key moments. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

24 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Allen, Benford, Brown, Oliver, and maybe Bosa eventually.  But it is really a short list.  The Ravens really have no weaknesses in terms of their roster.  Quite honestly, I have no idea how Allen did what he did to that defense last night.  We won't see a better group until we run into this team in the Playoffs.  They are a crazy talented team that is only going to get better throughout the year the more they play together.

We actually have some good receivers on our roster this year.  And everyone talks about Lamar Lamar Lamar, but Josh is a beast to tackle when he gets out of the pocket.  And is great at throwing downfield on the run.  The Ravens defense was not great last night.  #14 Hamilton is special.  But the Bills moved the ball most of the game, especially in the 4th qtr.  The Ravens are good, but we are not anointing them champions yet.  Harbaugh is not a great coach.  I think he showed that last night.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I think the Eagles, Packers, and Ravens make up the Tier 1 of NFL teams right now.  Barely any weaknesses anywhere.  You can still beat those teams with an elite QB and some key plays at key moments. 

We may have the same problem haha so maybe this shouldn’t come from us but I think the ravens pass rush is pretty mediocre..  I think the bills actually had some juice there last night but it’s way too early to tell.  A team that can bottle up Henry around the LOS is going to beat them in the playoffs every year imo because there’s only hof qbs late in the playoffs and they aren’t gonna have a ton of trouble moving the ball 

 

they have a pretty big cb problem too 

Edited 4 hours ago by Generic_Bills_Fan

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

For me it's Josh Allen, Spencer Brown, Ed Oliver.  Maybe Benford and maybe Shakir or Coleman over Bateman.   That's probably it.

 

Yea agree. It is Allen, Spencer, Ed, Benford and then possibly one receiver.

[Nihilarian]

The Ravens have four first-round picks starting in their secondary!

 

On another note, guess who plays Baltimore next week?

 

The factory of sadness in Baltimore and the Ravens are getting +12. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea agree. It is Allen, Spencer, Ed, Benford and then possibly one receiver.

Is Jaire Alexander getting a pass based on name only? He seems like their version of Rasul Douglas hanging around a year too long lol not sure if injuries wrecked his career or what but he’s been the worst player on the field whenever I see him recently I feel like.  Even when he was good he was wildly overrated imo 

 

awuzie is pretty bad also but they got him on vet minimum at least  

[ticketssince61]

36 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 Quite honestly, I have no idea how Allen did what he did to that defense last night.  We won't see a better group until we run into this team in the Playoffs.  They are a crazy talented team that is only going to get better throughout the year the more they play together.

 

We didn't do much against their Defense until they started playing soft in the 4th Quarter.  (the infamous prevent defense that only prevents you from winning!)

 

Also, in the 4th Quarter, I think their defense got gassed - combo of early in the season and their offense not taking any time off the clock

[Lost]

15 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

#14 Hamilton is special.

 

Just imagine if we had managed to land Hamilton or even McDufffie instead of Elam in 2022.   That probably woulda been all the difference we needed to get over that hump.  Both our biggest competitors landed all pros with their 1st pick in that draft and we got a complete bust.  

[Mister Defense]

One of the best things about victories is we then see the haters, those who bash almost all the Bills' leadership does, not know what to do with themselves.  As they come out from the cracks and crevices under the sink to throw water on the victory, no matter how they have to do it:

 

'Oh yeah, your Bills are so good, huh?  What about this....?"

 

They don't know how to react to wins, big wins like last night's especially, so they just comically flail at something, hoping that gets the other haters flailing along with them. It gives them a sense of confidence that it is still okay to bash away, no matter the situation.

 

Like I said in a previous thread today, it is completely expected, like clockwork.  Simple and obvious.

 

When one sees an OP like this, and are not sure what to make of it on a day like this especially? Just check the poster's history quickly and you will likely see what I just saw.  Try to find almost any of this poster's posts that are not super negative, super sarcastic--with our team always the target.