Tush pushin'

[Captain Hindsight]

I saw this and frankly I’d be surprised if every team didn’t do this. A non story if you ask me 

[Utah John]

If the refs are going to let the Eagles false start on those plays, which they've been doing, there's zero chance they'll step in on a marginal call like that,

 

The Chiefs were actually the team getting screwed by the Eagles' cheating.  I hope the league cracks down on that before the Bills play the Eagles.  Either that, or says it's OK to cheat before the Bills play the Chiefs.

[transient]

Saw the video at the top of the page about Dean Blandino giving three reasons to ban the tush push. Didn't get a chance to watch, but for anyone that did, was wondering if hepatitis made the list...

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46356840/nfl-tush-push-rule-disconcerting-signals-officiating-philadelphia-eagles-kansas-city-chiefs

 

Didn't see this posted yet and thought it was interesting article.

 

Chiefs were trying to simulate Hurts cadence on the Tush push to get the Oline to jump early. It should have been an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.  As the article points out with crowd noise and distance from the QB and defense it would be hard for the official to hear it.

 

Something maybe to watch for in the future.

 

They were lined up in the neutral zone multiple times against Allen during the AFCCG and also I believe jumped early at least once also, this isn't a new thing with them.

Edited September 24 by Big Turk

[90sBills]

It’s a stretch to call this ‘cheating’. 

[dorquemada]

I guess i dont understand?  So the DL can't say HUT HUT HIKE?  Was I lied to my entire childhood?

[May Day 10]

I wouldnt call this cheating.  They were committing a foul and the officials failed to call it.  

 

 

I think the Eagles' 'cheating' on these plays is more egregious.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Committing an on field penalty and hoping to get away with it isn't cheating.  

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I wouldnt call this cheating.  They were committing a foul and the officials failed to call it.  

 

 

I think the Eagles' 'cheating' on these plays is more egregious.

How is not playing by the rules not cheating? I mean the reason penalties are called because you're breaking the rules. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46356840/nfl-tush-push-rule-disconcerting-signals-officiating-philadelphia-eagles-kansas-city-chiefs

 

Didn't see this posted yet and thought it was interesting article.

 

Chiefs were trying to simulate Hurts cadence on the Tush push to get the Oline to jump early. It should have been an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.  As the article points out with crowd noise and distance from the QB and defense it would be hard for the official to hear it.

 

Something maybe to watch for in the future.

 

In other news, Water is Wet.

 

37 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

It’s a stretch to call this ‘cheating’. 

 

It's violating an NFL rule.  It's a penalty by rule.  I guess it depends on if you want to call violating a rule cheating or not.  You do you, but it is against the rules.

 

36 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

I guess i dont understand?  So the DL can't say HUT HUT HIKE?  Was I lied to my entire childhood?

 

Yes.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

30 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

I guess i dont understand?  So the DL can't say HUT HUT HIKE?  Was I lied to my entire childhood?

Apparently so

[Captain Hindsight]

34 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

I guess i dont understand?  So the DL can't say HUT HUT HIKE?  Was I lied to my entire childhood?

I need to talk to you about Santa...

[90sBills]

19 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

It's violating an NFL rule.  It's a penalty by rule.  I guess it depends on if you want to call violating a rule cheating or not.  You do you, but it is against the rules.

 

It’s football not golf. They’re gonna look for advantages. Lineman hold almost every play and hope the refs don’t call it. DBs check receivers well past 5 yards and hope it’s not called. Conversely, receivers push off to gain space and hope refs miss it. In the same game Eagles false started on almost all their tush push tries. Were they cheating? Or were they doing it to gain an advantage and hope it’s not called. 
 

If you think the NFL operates with your philosophy of violating rules is cheating then you must be new to the sport. So you do you. 

[Gisele]

I think the refs ignoring all of Taylor's false starts is more of an issue.  

[GunnerBill]

19 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

It’s football not golf. They’re gonna look for advantages. Lineman hold almost every play and hope the refs don’t call it. DBs check receivers well past 5 yards and hope it’s not called. Conversely, receivers push off to gain space and hope refs miss it. In the same game Eagles false started on almost all their tush push tries. Were they cheating? Or were they doing it to gain an advantage and hope it’s not called. 
 

If you think the NFL operates with your philosophy of violating rules is cheating then you must be new to the sport. So you do you. 

 

I think there is a difference between and in play penalty that happens post snap and something that happens pre-snap. Not sure I'd call it cheating but I do think conceptually the two are different.

[Livinginthepast]

Its cheating that the defense might mimic Hurts? Ridiculous. Did the refs call an unsportsmanlike penalty when Tom Brady used to use the phrase "Rex Ryan" at the line in his cadence? LOL.

[Beck Water]

46 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

It’s football not golf. They’re gonna look for advantages. Lineman hold almost every play and hope the refs don’t call it. DBs check receivers well past 5 yards and hope it’s not called. Conversely, receivers push off to gain space and hope refs miss it. In the same game Eagles false started on almost all their tush push tries. Were they cheating? Or were they doing it to gain an advantage and hope it’s not called. 
 

If you think the NFL operates with your philosophy of violating rules is cheating then you must be new to the sport. So you do you. 

 

Dude, you're funny.

 

Violating rules is, in fact, a form of cheating.  The fact that it's taking place on many plays in the hope the refs don't call it,  doesn't change that fact.

The fact that it's motivated by hoping to gain an advantage doesn't make it not cheating, either.

That's the motivation for most cheating: trying to gain some advantage in the belief that it's likely to go undetected or unpunished.
 

35 minutes ago, Gisele said:

I think the refs ignoring all of Taylor's false starts is more of an issue.  

 

No argument there.  Actually, it's more his constant and continuous "illegal formation" positioning that gets to me.  And yes, I would say that's also cheating.

Edited September 24 by Beck Water

[without a drought]

Maybe the refs could just flag the Eagles for a false start, since that is what is occurring on almost every attempt. Move them back 5 and the play goes away without banning it.

[90sBills]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dude, you're funny.

 

Violating rules is, in fact, a form of cheating.  The fact that it's taking place on many plays in the hope the refs don't call it,  doesn't change that fact.

The fact that it's motivated by hoping to gain an advantage doesn't make it not cheating, either.

That's the motivation for most cheating: trying to gain some advantage in the belief that it's likely to go undetected or unpunished.
 

With that mentality I’m sure you think all football players cheat right? Like I said, it’s football not golf. Different standards. 

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I saw this and frankly I’d be surprised if every team didn’t do this. A non story if you ask me 

 

This falls more so into the gamesmenship category, not a major story...