Tyler Dunne's piece on Caleb Williams is DAMNING

[TheyCallMeAndy]

12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Yeah I totally completely disagree with you.  I thought his hit piece on McD was cheap because what was the big reveal?  That a young coach gets nervous under pressure?  So what?  But this piece goes way deeper and many of Dunne’s other longform pieces do too.

 

Attacking the speaker as a quick way to kill the speech (and avoid having to engage with its content - or even read it), is very 2025, I get it, we’re a society of Twitter trolls now, but I’m not signing up for it.

 

Please point those out so we can have a discussion about them, Andy.

Speculation and exaggerations from petty, unnamed, ex-coaches and a bush league shock jock. 

 

To start: TD does hit pieces, releases them days before the season starts, and hides that juicy tea behind a paywall. They are all, always, unnamed sources. TD is a total joke. 
 

If an unnamed source states an opinion, like Williams has a learning disability, that is speculation.

 

"Not knowing how to watch film" 

"50% of the play calls verbalized wrong"

"Dyslexic" 

 

Lots of it, from these unnamed sources, who are all fired ex-coaches I think, seem to be exaggerated. Could it all be real? Maybe. If Williams was that bad and dysfunctional he sure did manage to put up some numbers as a rookie. 
 

The issue with me is Ty Dunne has zero credibility and is nothing more than a shock jock. Also a Packers fan, that may be worth mentioning. 
 

"Dumbing down the playbook," calling plays a rookie QB is comfortable with, growing pains (like reciting plays wrong),  and relearning how to watch film aren't uncommon occurrences for rookie QBs, for what it's worth. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Tyler Dunne should try something other than a hit piece!

[thenorthremembers]

Listening to NFL reports has become so amazingly laborious.    It's like they were paying Dunne for the number of words he used to make a point.    Maybe I am just getting old, but to quote Buddy Nix, "Show me the baby."     It's become NFL TMZ.    As for the coaches who felt like they needed to speak out about a 22 or 23 year old kid, grow up and look in the mirror. 

Edited Saturday at 03:16 PM by thenorthremembers

[FireChans]

 

Do we think Kyle Long is a fan of the piece?

[Albany,n.y.]

43 minutes ago, H2o said:

I knew they should have taken Daniels last year. Still, I think Caleb will better even if he is a queen. If there is anyone on this planet who can coach up the absolute best version of Caleb Williams, it's Ben Johnson who happens to be his head coach. I also think Ben Johnson has a different level of support because of what he did with the Lions. 

I'll take a wait & see attitude on Johnson & see what he does long term before I crown him.  I remember when Daboll went to the Giants as the great QB whisperer & got coach of the year & Jones who he "fixed" got a big $ contract.  Now Daboll is on one of hottest seats in the league.  As with any 1st year coach, I need to see results, not even just one year, before thinking he can turn a team or a QB around. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Dunne lost all my respect after that hit piece on McDermott in the middle of the season mostly from anonymous sources and i’m not that high on McDermott as a head coach even though I view him as an extremely high character person.  This is football/entertainment, not nuclear secrets or outing abuses of power, anonymous sources bashing coaches and players is cowardly.  

[Thrivefourfive]

@Coach Tuesday is dangerously dehydrated 

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Speculation and exaggerations from petty, unnamed, ex-coaches and a bush league shock jock. 

 

To start: TD does hit pieces, releases them days before the season starts, and hides that juicy tea behind a paywall. They are all, always, unnamed sources. TD is a total joke. 
 

If an unnamed source states an opinion, like Williams has a learning disability, that is speculation.

 

"Not knowing how to watch film" 

"50% of the play calls verbalized wrong"

"Dyslexic" 

 

Lots of it, from these unnamed sources, who are all fired ex-coaches I think, seem to be exaggerated. Could it all be real? Maybe. If Williams was that bad and dysfunctional he sure did manage to put up some numbers as a rookie. 
 

The issue with me is Ty Dunne has zero credibility and is nothing more than a shock jock. Also a Packers fan, that may be worth mentioning. 
 

"Dumbing down the playbook," calling plays a rookie QB is comfortable with, growing pains (like reciting plays wrong),  and relearning how to watch film aren't uncommon occurrences for rookie QBs, for what it's worth. 

IDK how you can accuse him of hiding behind a paywall (it’s his livelihood - if he joined “Big Media” the hordes here would dismiss him on that basis instead), and he’s literally putting his name on a piece accusing Caleb of being a coach-killer who may have dyslexia and refuses to hear criticism, and accusing Poles of being an unqualified autocrat who concealed critical information from his coaching staff about the most important player on the roster.  Dunne is signing his own name to all of that and he’ll have to deal with the consequences.  As opposed to someone hiding behind a message board screen name saying all kinds of things about the messenger.  
 

Again, I’m not pro-Dunne.  I thought his hit on McD was petty and weak but to his credit he went and sat down with Beane and McD and that had to have been awkward, but he did his job and I found him somewhat (but not enough) contrite about his previous writing.

 

But what kills me is view around here that and in society that killing the messenger is the right response to a message you don’t like.  And folks coming on here basically saying “I haven’t read this and shouldn’t have to but I’m sure it sucks” how is that contributing to the discourse in any productive way?  It’s just troll behavior being legitimized.

Edited Saturday at 05:11 PM by Coach Tuesday

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

IDK how you can accuse him of hiding behind a paywall (it’s his livelihood - if he joined “Big Media” the hordes here would dismiss him on that basis instead), and he’s literally putting his name on a piece accusing Caleb of being a coach-killer who may have dyslexia and refuses to hear criticism, and accusing Poles of being an unqualified autocrat who concealed critical information from his coaching staff about the most important player on the roster.  Dunne is signing his own name to all of that and he’ll have to deal with the consequences.  As opposed to someone hiding behind a message board screen name saying all kinds of things about the messenger.  
 

Again, I’m not pro-Dunne.  I thought his hit on McD was petty and weak but to his credit he went and sat down with Beane and McD and that had to have been awkward, but he did his job and I found him somewhat (but not enough) contrite about his previous writing.

 

But what kills me is view around here that and in society that killing the messenger is the right response to a message you don’t like.  And folks coming on here basically saying “I haven’t read this and shouldn’t have to but I’m sure it sucks” how is that contributing to the discourse in any productive way?  It’s just troll behavior being legitimized.

“You need to pay $5 to read “Axe-To-Grind Monthly” otherwise you are just being a troll and maybe threatening the bastion of free speech!”

 

Maybe if Ty Dunne didn’t make a deserving reputation of posting hatchet jobs, more folks would have an open-mind and actually pay to read his work instead of writing it off. 
 

You know. Vote with your wallet and all that? Thought that was just doing your part as a good citizen. 
 

I guess I NEED to give Dunne some more money to have an opinion on him. Do you own stock in Go Long?

[strive_for_five_guy]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I would encourage anyone who is interested to actually read Dunne’s longform piece in its entirety.  He details his extensive sources.  The piece is fascinating.

Very juicy to say that Caleb has dyslexia and Poles didn’t tell his coaches.

I already wasted 40 minutes of my life listening to Tyler Dunne try to figure out his internet connection and the group blabbering on about nothing juicy at all, I’ll take your word that dyslexia element is the juiciest element of the report.

[RobbRiddick]

It’s a pity that the ‘journalists’ who get the most attention these days are the ones with the wildest takes. Stephen A, nick wright and all those other idiots who spend their time screaming on YouTube and twitter.

 

one of my favorite guys on TV is Cosell and he doesn’t seem as popular as he should be because he doesn’t shout or scream and always emphasises he’s only going by the tape. People don’t want that these days. They don’t want films that focus on character and plot, they want cgi marvel porn with a different building exploding every 3 seconds.

 

(Jesus do I sound like my grandpa)

Edited Saturday at 05:38 PM by RobbRiddick

[Coach Tuesday]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

“You need to pay $5 to read “Axe-To-Grind Monthly” otherwise you are just being a troll and maybe threatening the bastion of free speech!”

 

No, that's misdirection.  The OP posted about the content of the article.  You immediately chimed in with a troll-post about the author.  You're admitting you haven't read the article.  I don't think that's productive, and that's my opinion.  And I also find it ironic (I know you would say that it's "fitting") that your issue with him is that he provocatively takes shots at people without providing substance.

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

No, that's misdirection.  The OP posted about the content of the article.  You immediately chimed in with a troll-post about the author.  You're admitting you haven't read the article.  I don't think that's productive, and that's my opinion.  And I also find it ironic (I know you would say that it's "fitting") that your issue with him is that he provocatively takes shots at people without providing substance.

My issue isn’t that he takes shots without substance.

 

My issue is pretty concisely laid out previously.

 

Do you find it counterproductive when someone posts Stephen A Smith’s silly opinion on something, and someone says “I try not to listen to this guy, because he kinda sucks?”

 

Just seems like an extremely strange and unique hill to die on.

 

Maybe if I charged $5 to read my posts, we could shame everybody who ignores me to stop being “counterproductive.”

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

My issue isn’t that he takes shots without substance.

 

My issue is pretty concisely laid out previously.

 

Do you find it counterproductive when someone posts Stephen A Smith’s silly opinion on something, and someone says “I try not to listen to this guy, because he kinda sucks?”

 

Just seems like an extremely strange and unique hill to die on.

 

Maybe if I charged $5 to read my posts, we could shame everybody who ignores me to stop being “counterproductive.”

If Stephen A. Smith explained in detail who his sources are (by category, not by name) and broke news about things that happened, then yes I would.  If he was just spouting hot takes and loud unsourced opinions then yes I think it would be fair game to do the same back to him.

 

I’m not going to get into this further (with you), I’ve said my view on it.

Edited Saturday at 05:55 PM by Coach Tuesday

[buffblue]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

@Coach Tuesday is dangerously dehydrated 

I don't think I've vomited that much since I threw up in the pool the night of my high school graduation

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

@Coach Tuesday is dangerously dehydrated 

 

Some of you are insufferable and the season hasn't even started yet.  Saturday Night Live addressed you back in the 80s before some of you were even born:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUL7q8eyig8

 

[Thrivefourfive]

12 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Some of you are insufferable and the season hasn't even started yet.  Saturday Night Live addressed you back in the 80s before some of you were even born:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUL7q8eyig8

 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

@Coach Tuesday is dangerously dehydrated 

I was going to post something like this, but I was scared of him barfing on me.

[Thrivefourfive]

Just now, MJS said:

I was going to post something like this, but I was scared of him barfing on me.

He ralphed on me and I’m still standing.. 

[Coach Tuesday]

I’ll say this: it’ll be really interesting to see how many/which people speak up to defend Caleb in response to this.  And also if this stuff is true, whether Caleb can change - if he can’t, Ben Johnson isn’t going to let it tank his career (he has spent too long waiting for this opportunity).  He’ll switch to Tyson Bagent and never look back - and I think Baget may be legit.

Edited Saturday at 06:30 PM by Coach Tuesday